Geller: Massacre of Muslims are Okay


Pam Geller is telling her followers to contact their legislators to urge them to vote against a resolution in Congress that would condemn the persecution of Muslims (and those of other faiths) in Burma. Even the Heritage Foundation has called what is going on in Burma “ethnic cleansing” as the Buddhist majority has oppressed both Muslims and Christians.

Muslims are waging jihad in Burma. But the Buddhists aren’t having it. Muslim Brotherhood groups in the US are agitating for UN intervention. Scroll and read Hamas-CAIR’s call for support of US resolution 418 calling for intervention. Please contact your Congressmen and Senators and tell them to VOTE NO on resolution 418. We have seen this before. It led to President Clinton sending US troops to fight for the Bosnian Muslims against the Christian Serbs, leading to the establishment of the first Islamic state in Europe (Kosovo).

Support the Buddhists in Burma. Seriously. Do this. I am in Boston, as our free speech lawsuit is being heard today, but I will be working the phones, and so should you. Burma is 90% Buddhist. These are a peaceful people. The Muslims have brought war to Burma. Bodh Gaya, the holiest site for the Buddhists the world over, was bombed in a series of Islamic terror attacks. Hamas-CAIR must be stopped from using the most powerful government in the world as its battering ram to impose Islam on small, defenseless countries.

Yes, you cannot stand up for human rights without “imposing Islam on small, defenseless countries.” And notice how she spins this. A huge range of groups, from conservative groups to international human rights organizations, have called for an end to the rampant human rights violations there, but all that matters to Geller is that some of the victims are Muslim and Muslim groups also want the violence to end. So therefore “Muslim Brotherhood groups” are the only ones that matter and the well is therefore poisoned.

Comments

  1. Hercules Grytpype-Thynne says

    Geller: Massacre of Muslims are Okay

    Someone should tell her that massacre are never okay.

  2. Alverant says

    Would the Heritage Foundation still be against what is happening Burma if the Buddhists left the christians alone?

  3. matty1 says

    As far as I can tell there is no evidence Kosovo is an Islamic state, unless by that you mean one where a majority are Muslims in which case it is not the only one in Europe. Incidentally I was in Sarajevo last week and they can tell some stories about the morality of the Christian Serbs.

  4. Trebuchet says

    Someone should tell her that massacre are never okay.

    Oh, she knows that, but it only applies to actual people. Which in her view, doesn’t include Muslims.

  5. Michael Heath says

    Evan Brehm writes:

    See, this kind of behavior is why you were blacklisted form CPAC, Miss Geller.

    To be clear, Ms. Geller’s hatred of Muslims, equal protection, and religious freedom isn’t her problem with her fellow conservatives. Instead it’s that she exposes these conservative traits in a manner that make larger group’s “plausible deniability” less compelling to independents.

  6. laurentweppe says

    Geller: Massacre of Muslims are Okay

    Congratulation: you’ve summarized Geller’s writings in five words.

  7. sc_770d159609e0f8deaa72849e3731a29d says

    Even the Heritage Foundation has called what is going on in Burma “ethnic cleansing” as the Buddhist majority has oppressed both Muslims and Christians.

    No need for inverted commas. Muslims and christians in Burma nearly all belong to ethnic minorities in border areas. It is racial persecution- ethnic cleansing- as well as religious.

  8. upprunitegundanna says

    Ironically, Pamela Geller would make a consummate anti-Semite if she weren’t Jewish herself. Her method of arguing for the death of others is almost identical to the paranoid, luridly essentialist arguments that anti-Semites use to victims Jews.

  9. says

    Muslims are waging jihad in Burma. But the Buddhists aren’t having it. Muslim Brotherhood groups in the US are agitating for UN intervention. Scroll and read Hamas-CAIR’s call for support of US resolution 418 calling for intervention.

    It is truly astounding that she cannot put together even a single phrase without telling a lie. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen that before.

    I’m starting to take seriously the hypothesis that she’s simply drunk all the time.

  10. eamick says

    @Trebuchet #6

    subject-verb agreement

    The mangled grammar is Ed’s fault, not hers. (Yes, she’s still an idiot.)

  11. iangould says

    Myanmar is not a “small, defenseless country” it’s a (slowly reforming) military dictatorship which has spent the past 40 yearslavishing resources on its military as the common people starved.

    Also

    “Bodh Gaya, the holiest site for the Buddhists the world over, was bombed in a series of Islamic terror attacks. ‘

    From Wikipedia

    “On 7 July 2013 at around 5.15 a.m. a low intensity bomb blast took place in the 1500 year old Mahabodhi Temple complex. This was followed by a series of nine low intensity blasts and at least two monks are reported to be injured, one Tibetan and the other a Burmese. These blasts were carried out by an islamic terrorist organisation, to seek the revange for the killings of muslims in burma. The serial blasts did not cause any damage to the temple or the tree under which Buddha attained enlightenment.”

    So far from prompting the anti-Muslim violence in Myanmar, the Bodh Gaya attack was in response to it.

  12. ekwhite says

    As someone who deeply appreciates Buddhist philosophy, I am appalled by the ethnic cleansing in Burma. I am just as appalled by Pam Geller’s support of these atrocities.

  13. iangould says

    Buddhist extremists are also behind much of the violence against the Tamil minority in Sri Lanka. But since around 90% of the Tamils are Hindus,, I’m sure Gellar feels that’s totally different.

  14. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    @1. Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

    “Geller: Massacre of Muslims are Okay”

    Someone should tell her that massacre are never okay.

    (Grammar Pedant*) Actually they should either tell her that “massacres” plural are never okay or that any massacre is NOT okay. But your point is sound :

    Hey, Pamela Geller : NO massacre is *ever* okay whoever is being murdered.

    Although, pedantically again, one might argue that some battles are massacres. Not to mention the metaphorical uses of the word.

    But, yeah, massacring people who aren’t a direct and immediate threat to your lives is always wrong.

    Not sure any of us really know enough of this conflict to judge but *IF* innocent Muslim civilians are really being massacred just for being Muslims without those Muslims trying to kill others themselves then, yeah, this needs to be condemned by everyone incl. Pamela Geller.

    Then again, are we really doing the right thing by accepting only the Muslim side here? Maybe we should listen to what the Buddhist perspective here is – after all, Buddhism is a famously peaceful religion whilst Islam is a notoriously violent one.

    That this is really *all* the Buddhists fault just does NOT compute to me.

    Someone care to tell us all why an atheist blog seems to be taking one religion’s groups word and side in this obscure religious clash in a little-known or understood nation here?

    * Plus someone who is pretty dreadful grammar ~wise myself. Mea culpa.

  15. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    @16. iangould : Really? That true?

    Citation is needed.

  16. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    Hmm .. if a group of people can cheese *Buddhists* of all people off so much they get into a killing fury then I’m almost inclined to think they deserve all they get!

  17. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    PS. If you get Buddhists that angry then almost by definition you and your side are in the wrong.

  18. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    Because Buddhists are seriously not angry people and really hard to provoke.

    As opposed to Muslims who fly into frothing at the mouth rages at the slightest little thing.

    For all the outrage I reckon is probably coming at my way for saying this; c’mon, we all really know this is true. (& no, I dont think this alone justifies murder or genocide or anything but still.)

  19. Nick Gotts says

    I am completely unsurprised that StevoR is a Geller fanboi.

    Not sure any of us really know enough of this conflict to judge – StevoR

    Don’t project your ignorance onto others, you lackwitted bigot.

    after all, Buddhism is a famously peaceful religion

    The clear counterexample of Sri Lanka, where the main victims of Buddhist intolerance and violence have been Hindus (but Muslims and Christians have also suffered), has already been pointed out, but of course, mere facts will nevcer shake the views of a bigotted lackwit such as StevoR.

  20. iangould says

    Yeah the Buddhists who made up the majority of Genghis Khan’s army and the Japanese Imperial Army were famous for their pacifism.

    Buddhists are people, no better and no worse than other people.

    They’re not Pandas.

  21. iangould says

    Not online but worth reading:

    Buddhist Warfare by Michael Jerryson and Mark Juergensmeyer / Oxford University Press 2010, p.226 ISBN 978-0-19-539484-9

    Buddhist Traditions and Violence by Michael Jerryson in The Oxford Handbook of Religion and Violence/ Oxford University Press 2013, p.42 ISBN 978-0199759996

    Buddhist Fury: Religion and Violence in Southern Thailand by Michael Jerryson/ Oxford University Press 2011, ISBN 978-0199793242

    In Defense of Dharma: Just-War Ideology in Buddhist Sri Lanka. Department of Religion, Florida State University. 1999.

  22. iangould says

    http://www.religiondispatches.org/books/2158/monks_with_guns:_discovering_buddhist_violence/

    Since the early 1900s, Buddhist monastic intellectuals such as Walpola Rahula, D. T. Suzuki, and Tenzin Gyatso, the Fourteenth Dalai Lama, have labored to raise Western awareness of their cultures and traditions. In doing so, they presented specific aspects of their Buddhist traditions while leaving out others. These Buddhist monks were not alone in this portrayal of Buddhism. As Donald S. Lopez Jr. and others have poignantly shown, academics quickly followed suit, so that by the 1960s U.S popular culture no longer depicted Buddhist traditions as primitive, but as mystical.

    Yet these mystical depictions did not remove the two-dimensional nature of Western understanding. And while it contributed to the history of Buddhism, this presentation of an otherworldly Buddhism ultimately robbed Buddhists of their humanity.

    Thupten Tsering, the co-director of “Windhorse,” encapsulates the effects of two-dimensional portrayal in a 1999 interview with the New York Times. “They see Tibetans as cute, sweet, warmhearted. I tell people, when you cut me, I bleed just like you.”

    In an effort to combat this view and to humanize Buddhists, then, Mark Juergensmeyer and I put together a collection of critical essays that illustrate the violent history of Buddhism across Mongolia, Tibet, Japan, China, Korea, Thailand, Sri Lanka, and India.

    Our intention is not to argue that Buddhists are angry, violent people—but rather that Buddhists are people, and thus share the same human spectrum of emotions, which includes the penchant for violence.

  23. iangould says

    Here’s Guatama Buddha defending religious killings:

    ”When I recall the past, I remember that I was the king of a great state…My name was Senyo, and I loved and venerated the Mahayana sutras…When I heard the Brahmins slandering the vaipulya sutras, I put them to death on the spot. Good men, as a result of that action, I never thereafter fell into hell. O good man! When we accept and defend the Mahayana sutras, we possess innumerable virtues.” [

    Here’s the Nirvana Sutra:

    “The true follower of the Mahayana is not the one who observes the five precepts, but the one who uses the sword, bow, arrow, and battle ax to protect the monks who uphold the precepts and who are pure.”

  24. iangould says

    The sword is pulled from the [scabbard], it is

    Not put back unless smeared with blood.

    I turned by blood to milk to make you grow

    Not for myself but for the country

    My brave, brilliant soldier son

    Leaving [home] to defend the motherland

    That act of merit is enough

    To reach Nirvāna in a future birth.

    Sri Lankan Buddhist monk Elle Gunavamsa (from a a book of “religious” poems published by the Sri Lankan government)

    “During 2003-04, 165 Śri Lankān Christian churches were attacked by Buddhist mobs, resulting in the complete destruction of some, the stoning of parsonages, the smashing of statues, and the burning the Bibles and hymnals. Śri Lankā has the largest percentage of Christians in South Asia, and 25 percent of those are Tamils. (The father of Tamil nationalism was a Malaysian Christian by the name of J. V. Chelvanayakam.) Christians say that one reason they are being targeted is that they are accused of being Tamil sympathizers. The other reason is that Protestant Christian missionaries have had considerable success in recent years, which has led to Buddhist charges of unethical conversions.”

    ….

    Buddhist nationalism has its roots in the Dīpavamsa, Mahāvamsa, and Culavamsa, texts unique to Sinhalese Buddhism. Over the centuries effective rituals, described in the third section below, were developed to reconcile the presence of non-Buddhists in what some Buddhists perceive to be the cosmic center of the Dharma. These premodern systems of integrating the “other” have now been supplanted by a modernist concept of a Buddhist nation state that is exclusionary rather than inclusionary. Peter Schalk proposes that there is now a Sinhalatva (Sinhaleseness) that is just as rigid and uncompromising as Hindutva (Hinduness) in neighboring India.[5]

    We will explore the view that this Sinhalatva is based on a reverse Orientalism that essentializes ethnic identities and leverages the supposed superiority of Aryan Buddhists to attack Dravidian Tamils and other “aliens” in Śri Lankā.

    http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/ngier/slrv.htm

  25. zenlike says

    And another classic rambling commentary by racist StevoR. Not sure if Geller writes her screeds while drunk, but I’m sure StevoR’s alcohol intake increased seriously between his first comment and his last.

  26. matty1 says

    So if I understand SteveoR correctly we cannot know enough about Burma to tell who started this particular bit of religious violence but we can know enough about Islam and Buddhism to be be certain anyone self identifying as either will match exactly the stereotypes held by westerners who have barely heard of those religions.

  27. says

    You know STevoR it’s very difficult for me to loath someone. So the fact that I hate your slimy racist guts must really mean you’re a sad sack of shit right?

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