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Dec 07 2013

Barton Lies About Obama’s Thanksgiving Proclamations

One of the most bizarre behaviors to me is when someone lie about something that is very easily checkable or that the person they’re lying to knows is a lie. David Barton does this more than anyone else I know. Here he is doing it about President Obama’s Thanksgiving declarations:

Barton: One of the unfortunate things, this is in the past several years, the Thanksgiving message out of the White House no longer even mentions God. When we give thanks, God’s not part of that.

Wommack: Part of that’s because of who is in the White House.

Barton: That’s a real problem. You check Thanksgiving proclamations of this president with the previous ones and it’s not the same.

Okay David, let’s do that. They’re all online so they are easily accessible. 2010:

As we stand at the close of one year and look to the promise of the next, we lift up our hearts in gratitude to God for our many blessings, for one another, and for our Nation…

As Americans gather for the time-honored Thanksgiving Day meal, let us rejoice in the abundance that graces our tables, in the simple gifts that mark our days, in the loved ones who enrich our lives, and in the gifts of a gracious God.

2011.

As we gather in our communities and in our homes, around the table or near the hearth, we give thanks to each other and to God for the many kindnesses and comforts that grace our lives.

2012.

This day is a time to take stock of the fortune we have known and the kindnesses we have shared, grateful for the God-given bounty that enriches our lives…

Let us spend this day by lifting up those we love, mindful of the grace bestowed upon us by God and by all who have made our lives richer with their presence.

And 2013:

This Thanksgiving Day, let us forge deeper connections with our loved ones. Let us extend our gratitude and our compassion. And let us lift each other up and recognize, in the oldest spirit of this tradition, that we rise or fall as one Nation, under God.

This kind of reminds me of Gary Hart challenging the press to follow him around to prove that he wasn’t having an affair, then getting caught having an affair. Barton actually tells people to go look at the Thanksgiving proclamations and they prove him wrong. I think that’s when you go from being a liar to being a pathological liar.

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  1. 1
    jnorris

    I’ve been in customer service, one way or another, for forty years. I learned very early never to lie to my customers. It’s hard to tell people the truth and still have their business. Apparently I’ve been doing it the hard and wrong way.

  2. 2
    unbound

    Well, to be fair, if Barton wasn’t lying about something at any given moment, he wouldn’t have any career at all…

  3. 3
    schism

    Barton actually tells people to go look at the Thanksgiving proclamations and they prove him wrong.

    Except Barton’s target audience won’t actually look. They’ll just take what he says on faith because he says what they want to hear.

  4. 4
    John Pieret

    Barton knows it doesn’t matter to his target audience. It is just another dog whistle for “Obama is bad.” He could probably just put “Obama is bad” on a tape loop for all his audience cares about the truth of any particular claim.

  5. 5
    Trebuchet

    Like number 3 says, Barton knows his audience won’t bother to check. In the Cruz administration, he’ll no doubt be Secretary of Making Shit Up.

  6. 6
    raven

    If xianity was true, they wouldn’t have to lie all the time.

    That was one thing that got me headed out of the religion.

    People point out correctly that Barton’s audience won’t care that he lies. The truth doesn’t matter to them. Barton could just as easily have said that Obama sacrificed a turkey to Marduk and made his staff eat it raw in the White House mosque.

    But the truth does matter. To many people who aren’t fundie death cultists anyway. So while Barton is feeding his audience of hate filled religious fanatics, the rest of us are backing away slowly and keeping a close eye on our kids and pets.

  7. 7
    democommie

    Ed:

    I’m waiting for the real news; the day when Barton tells the truth about anything.

  8. 8
    barry21

    Mendacious shit

  9. 9
    Larry

    Well, OK, maybe he does mention god but he’s referring to the mooslim god, not the white ‘murican god.

  10. 10
    kevinbeck

    “One of the most bizarre behaviors to me is when someone lie about something that is very easily checkable or that the person they’re lying to knows is a lie.”

    That’s what you get, Ed, for dating my ex-girlfriends.

    In all seriousness, I have wondered aloud about this many times over the years using phrases almost identical to this one. Lying I get; I’ve done it, and usual can rationalize it away on the basis if possessing some passably noble or harmless ulterior motive. But when you know you’ll be caught? Like people who say they ran the New York City Marathon in 2 hours, 27 minutes in 2005 when they are watching you search the NY Road Runners Club Web site? Or people who say they never sent me an e-mail making particular statements when I’m looking right at it? I guess that’s what they mean by “compulsive liar” versus someone who is a facultative liar and only does it when he or she at least thinks he can get away with it.

    Barton is a compulsive liar, but he’s found an outlet for it in that it can serve not only immediate psychological ends but monetary ones, too.

  11. 11
    Modusoperandi

    Well, sure, he said it, but he didn’t mean it. And also he didn’t say it.

    jnorris “I’ve been in customer service, one way or another, for forty years. I learned very early never to lie to my customers.”
    I tell the truth, but with a pause and phrased as a question:
    Customer: “Did this steak fall on the floor?”
    Me: [pause] “…No?”

     
    Trebuchet “In the Cruz administration, he’ll no doubt be Secretary of Making Shit Up.”
    That’s ridiculous. He’ll head the Department of Truth.

     
    raven “…the rest of us are backing away slowly and keeping a close eye on our kids and pets.”
    Why? Do they do tricks?

  12. 12
    noe1951

    See, you don’t understand – no one needs to go check, because if checking proved he was lying, he wouldn’t have TOLD you to check. But, he said to check, so obviously, he’s not lying (…or something, I forget…)

  13. 13
    brianwestley

    I’m sure I’ve read in a history book somewhere that the only two people in US history who never lied was George Washington and David Barton.

  14. 14
    Area Man

    What gets me is not just that they lie, but that the entire subject matter is so remarkably petty. Who gives a fuck what the President says during his Thanksgiving proclamation, or even that a President gives such a proclamation at all? I hate to tell you, but broad, sweeping generalizations cannot be made about the President based on some ceremonial piffle that one of his lesser speech writers cobbled together. If you think so, you’ve got no case.

  15. 15
    Childermass

    2009: Today, we recall President George Washington, who proclaimed our first national day of public thanksgiving to be observed “by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God,”

  16. 16
    democommie

    @13:

    You know Washington told the truth? WERE YOU THERE?!??!!???!!! Huh,were ya?

  17. 17
    Pierce R. Butler

    Give poor David Barton a break!

    Remember that his professional obligations for over a decade as Vice-Chair of the Republican Party of the Great State of Texas required him to breathe the same air, stand on the same podia, and even touch the flesh of multiple members of the Bush family dynasty.

    Who among us could endure so many years of such an ordeal and emerge unbent?

  18. 18
    tbp1

    Barton Lies About Obama’s Thanksgiving Proclamations pretty much everything.

    Fixed it.

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