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Dec 02 2013

The Return of Matt Wykoff

Remember Matt Wykoff, the Catholic extremist who sends every atheist on the internet, including me, emails demanding that we shut down our websites and blogs or suffer the wrath of the One True Church? Well he’s back, sending me an email telling me that the earth is at the center of the universe.

1. There is no rational reason to reject the Our Lord Jesus Christ since it is scientifically demonstrated He is Divine and the One and Only True God. Only unscientific minds would reject empirical scientific evidence.

2.  The universe is geocentric. Every experiment designed to measure the speed of the earth through space has always returned a speed of zero just as the Bible claimed all along. Only prejudicial minds reject scientific facts. Your leading Pagan cosmology writers offer biases with no scientific proof . Unbeknownst to you is the fact that no one in all history has ever proven that the Earth moves in space. As an honest scientist Lincoln Barnett admits in his book endorsed by Einstein “…nor has any physical experiment ever proved that the Earth actually is in motion.” (Lincoln Barnet, The Universe and Dr. Einstein, p. 73.)  Einstein invented his relativity mythology to counter the Michelson-Morley experiments and other innumerable successor experiments demonstrating the earth is immobile in space and at the center of the universe.
“So which is real, the Ptolemaic or the Copernican system? Although it is not uncommon for people to say that Copernicus proved Ptolemy wrong, that is not true. As in the case our normal view versus that of the goldfish, one can use either picture as a model of the universe, for our observations of the heavens can be explained by assuming either the earth or the sun to be at rest.” (The Grand Design, Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow, 2010, pp. 41-42) Hawking cannot face the empirical scientific evidence that Geocentrism is scientifically proven and heliocentrism disproven. In his bias he ridiculously opts to put the two systems on the same level.
3.  That the myth of Copernicanism is the foundation for modern man’s independence from God is a connection that was recognized by the editor of the world’s most prestigious scientific journal. When confronted in the late 1970s with the model of cosmology promoted by the evolutionist well-known physicist George F.R. Ellis – it promoted geocentrism – Paul C. W. Davies, the editor of Nature, was forced to reply: “His new theory seems quite consistent with our astronomical observations, even though it clashes with the thought that we are godless and making it on our own.” (P.C.W. Davies, “Cosmic Heresy?” Nature, 273:336, 1978. In the same article Davies admits: “…as we see only redshifts whichever direction we look in the sky, the only way in which this could be consistent with a gravitational explanation is if the Earth is situated at the center of an inhomogeneous Universe.” Confirming Davies’s agnosticism is a letter he wrote to Dr. Robert Sungenis on Aug. 9th, 2004, stating: “I have long argued against the notion of any sort of God who resides within time, and who preceded the universe.” Davies, however, is honest enough to admit he cannot lightly dismiss Ellis’ science and mathematics that connect the Earth with the center of the universe.
There is Absolutely No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church www.vaticancatholic.com 

I love this guy. I’m sure it comes as a shock that he thinks Pope Francis is a heretic and a false pope. Mel Gibson, call our office. As with the last time, he was easily goaded into sending more and more deranged emails. When I told him “You are absolutely hilarious. You should turn pro,” he sent this:

I hereby determine: You are unlawfully assembled and thus have to disperse or face punitive action. I hereby declare you to be a tumultuous and riotous-secularist assembly. Your dispersal is demanded. I repeat: you are unlawfully, riotously, and tumultuously assembled together. The Sovereign Jurisdiction of the Holy Roman Church doth strictly charge and command all manner of persons here assembled immediately to disperse themselves and peaceably depart to their own homes. You could be arrested and or subject to other policy actions. For there is Absolutely No salvation Outside the Catholic Church see www.vaticancatholic.com

There is no “evidence” for heliocentrist myth. Rational minds would not reject empirical scientific evidence. There is no shred of proof for heliocentrism – which in fact has been long invalidated and disproven. The secularist only offer your biases with no scientific proof whatsoever for their heliocentrist mythology. Heliocentrism is a long discredited myth. Galileo Galilei had no proof for his assertions. It is clear you and your ilk have no working knowledge of cosmology whatsoever.

Albert Einstein invented Special Relativity to counter experiments revealing that the Earth was motionless in space which then led him to General Relativity that forced him to accept a motionless Earth as a viable and worthy cosmological system. Heliocentrism is a system that failed for which Einstein decided to invent his relativity mythology to explain away the Michelson-Morley experiments and other innumerable successor experiments demonstrating the earth is immobile in space and at the center of the universe. So called self-described scientists are covering up the fact that there is no proof for their cherished view of cosmology.

“The Michelson-Morley experiment confronted scientists with an embarrassing alternative. On the one hand they could scrap the ether theory which had explained so many things about electricity, magnetism, and light. Or if they insisted on retaining the ether they had to abandon the still more venerable Copernican theory that the earth is in motion. To many physicists it seemed almost easier to believe that the earth stood still than that waves – light waves, electromagnetic waves – could exist without a medium to sustain them. It was a serious dilemma and one that split scientific thought for a quarter century. Many new hypotheses were advanced and rejected. The experiment was tried again by Morley and by others, with the same conclusion; the apparent velocity of the earth through the ether was zero.” (Lincoln Barnett, The Universe and Dr. Einstein)

“A great deal of research has been carried out concerning the influence of the Earth’s movement. The results were always negative.” (Henri Poincare’, La science et l’hypothese, 1901, p.182)

“…to the question whether or not the motion of the Earth in space can be made perceptible in terrestrial experiments. We have already remarked…that all attempt of this nature let to a negative result. Before the theory of relativity was put forward, it was difficult to become reconciled to this negative result.” (Albert Einstein, “Relativity –The Special and General Theory,” cited in Stephen Hawking’s, A Stubbornly Persistent Illusion, 2007, p. 169)

“The data were almost unbelievable… There was only one other possible conclusion to draw – that the Earth was at rest.” (Bernard Jaffe, Michelson and the Speed of Light, 1960, p. 76)

“Thus, even now, three and a half centuries after Galileo…it is still remarkably difficult to say categorically whether the earth moves…” (Julian B. Barbour, Absolute or Relative Motion, Cambridge University Press, 1989, p. 226)

“Briefly, everything occurs as if the Earth were at rest…” (Henrick Lorentz, Lorentz’s 1886 paper, “On the Influence of the Earth’s Motion of Lumineferous Phenomena”)

“…we can take either the Earth or the Sun, or any other point for that matter, as the center of the solar system. This is certainly so for the purely kinematical problem of describing the planetary motions. It is also possible to take any point as the center even in dynamics, although recognition of this freedom of choice had to await the present century.” (Fred Hoyle, Nicolaus Copernicus: An Essay on his life and Work, p. 82. Also from the same book: “Today we cannot say that the Copernican theory is “right” and the Ptolemaic theory is “wrong” in any meaningful sense. The two theories are…physically equivalent to one another (ibid, p. 88) Physicist J.L McCauley who reviewed Hoyle’s book stated it was “The only brief account, using understandable modern terminology, of what Ptolemy and Copernicus really did. Epicycles are just data analysis (Fourier series), they don’t imply any underlying theory of mechanics. Copernicus did not prove that the Earth moves, he made the equivalent coordinate transformation and showed that an Earth-centered system and a sun-centered system describe the data with about the same number of epicycles. For the reader who wants to understand the history of ideas of motion, this is the only book aside from Barbour’s far more exhaustive treatment.”

Modern so called scientists freely admit that heliocentrism is merely the preferred model of cosmology and the choice to believe it is made purely on philosophical grounds and not scientific ones. Einstein’s relativity theory is an unprovable assumption which secularists unfortunately and desperately grasp onto and tout as “fact.”

After the famous Michelson-Morley experiment of 1887 Einstein’s biographer Ronald W. Clark describes what came next: “In the United States Albert Michelson and Edward Morley had performed an experiment which confronted scientists with an appalling choice. Designed to show the existence of the ether…it had yielded a null result, leaving science with the alternatives of tossing aside the key which had helped to explain the phenomena of electricity magnetism, and light or of deciding that the earth was not in fact moving at all.” (Einstein: The Life and Times, 1984, p. 57)

To save the world from having to reconnect with the Middle Ages Einstein set his mind to create the relativity myth that would cover up the Michelson-Morley experiment whose prima facie results showed the Earth wasn’t moving.

“No question about it: if STR [Special Theory of Relativity] is true then the logically understandable hierarchical and Earth-centered universe of antiquity and the Middle Ages was a pipe dream. The problem remains the “if” in the last sentence…in the present context I am satisfied with the undeniable actuality that though STR presumably allowed the astronomers to escape from a geocentric bugbear – and a daunting argument from design behind it – the GTR [General Theory of Relativity] has been compelled to declare the Earth-centered model “as good as anybody else’s but no better” … after Einstein…burst for the second time upon the scene the tables were turned…the geocentric model of the universe, be it absolutely unacceptable, science cannot show it to be wrong…the theoretical status of the Earth-centered concept is today under Einstein’s regimen higher than it has ever been since the 1687 publication of Newton’s Principia, the ruling model now “giving increased respectability to the geocentric picture.” (Walter van der Kamp. De Labore Solis, pp. 46-48, 55, 61)

Stephen Hawking writes: “The theory of relativity does, however, force us to change fundamentally our ideas of space and time. We must accept that time is not completely separate from and independent of space, but is combined with it to form an object called space-time” (A Brief History of Time, p. 23)

The Our Lord Jesus Christ is scientifically proven to be the One and Only God. To reject this is totally irrational.

Oh no! I’m unlawfully assembled and I’ve been ordered to disperse or face punishment? I wonder what that punishment will be? Oh wait, I asked him:

The Almighty God Lord Jesus Christ will lock you in the eternal prison that exists at the center of this earth. That is the punitive action that will and shall occur to all the adjudicated cases of the infidel at the moment of the Particular Judgment.

If there were a Catholic Kingdom today: it would invade the united states and march on each state capital to demand that the governors of these 50 states immediately initiate the process of an orderly dissolution of the federal government through secession and reclamation of federally held property.

Obviously since the Catholic State is forgiving it first offers the american government to go for an orderly peaceful dissolution as a way for america to do it the easy way. This would be in the best interest of all state capitols nationwide. It should be a non-violent event if the government so chooses. It should be a non-violent event unless the government chooses to make it violent. The Catholic State would also invade all america’s allies for their crimes against God and humanity– namely blasphemy, abortions, and contraceptions. A Catholic Kingdom would call upon all the Catholics to bring to bear upon the enemy state and to do all in their power to lend assistance physically, intellectually, and spiritually to this most holy endeavor and thus launch the Crusade (Holy War) to save western civilization from itself, the pit of hell, and also from collapse.

It is hereby determined.

I told him to let me know when he gets that Catholic Kingdom together and invades the United States. That will be fun to watch on TV. Rosaries aren’t much of a match for Tomahawk missiles. But wait, there’s more:

The united states is a kosher certified and privately owned judeophile corporation. It is the Whore of Babylon prophesied in Apocalypse Chapter 18. It’s destruction is imminent. The reason why Obama is extremely aggressive in his push for unnatural perversion both globally and domestically is unfortunately because Obama is himself afflicted with the unnatural vice. Pervert-advocating organizations around the country are saying his administration has been the most aggressive for them in the history of the US in regards to his promotion and implementation of this. Researchers point out that as a boy just over age ten Obama began seeing his father and spending time with him: the Hawaiian Communist Frank Marshall Davis. That it was in these encounters that he developed the unnatural vice because his father treated him in an indecent fashion. His mother Stanley Ann Dunham and her parents were members of the American Communist Party. She conceived Obama when she was around age 18 and Davis is 38 years older than her. Ann probably refused to have what was then called a ‘back alley’ abortion. Experts also point out that the reason why Obama released a fake birth certificate is because he is trying to hide who his real father is (he isn’t a citizen anyways because he decided to live in Indonesia: and Indonesia at that time required persons to renounce their citizenship to other countries if they wanted to remain residents). Frank Marshall Davis was a very active Communist that published obscene works and also ran an immoral photography studio: Ann Dunham was one of the women he took photos of. Davis married his first wife Thelma Boyd and it lasted 13 years. Davis was an adulterer for he had a second wife named Helen Canfield Davis (got married in 1946 and she’s 19 years younger than him): both of whom moved to Hawaii in 1948 because he felt it was more tolerant of couples with different skin color. They had 4 daughters and a son and divorced in 1970. In his own obscene autobiography Davis mentioned that he and his wife engaged in indecent immorality with Ann Dunham. He said they began doing this when Ann Dunham was age 13 when she went to them and requested of this thing. She kept on returning for weeks and her aunt falsely thought she was in good hands. All 3 of them devoted themselves to indescribable things and it continued on for years. Davis said he and his wife had these encounters with Ann Dunham because he felt he did not want to disappoint Ann when she requested of this: and that it was mutual. He also said he thinks he did her a favor. So both of Obama’s parents were afflicted with the vice against nature. Frank Marshall Davis was 13 years older than Ann Dunham’s own father. The Jew Stanley Ann Dunham died at age 52 of ovarian cancer (according to the New York Times). The average life span for females with the unnatural vice is in the 50s. For men it is around age 40. This is mostly because of HIV and then some other diseases that can be contracted from unnatural activity.

So I said, “Very Mel Gibson of you.” Which prompted this reply:

Mel Gibson is an apostate. Hutton Gibson is also an apostate who no doubt is the primary influence in his son’s apostasy and slavish subservience to the Jews.

Yeah, if there’s one thing that is obvious about Mel Gibson it’s his “subservience to the Jews.”

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  1. 1
    dmcclean

    Einstein invented his relativity mythology to counter the Michelson-Morley experiments and other innumerable successor experiments demonstrating the earth is immobile in space and at the center of the universe.

    It might not be possible to run the Michelson-Morley apparatus on a train because of vibration and jolts from the tracks. But just for the record we should ask Wykoff what results he expects to get if we run it on the moon, because his position here is (surprisingly, given the rest of his gibberish) falsifiable.

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    Modusoperandi

    What a nut. The universe isn’t geocentric. It’s me-centric. No need for thanks. I try to remain humble. God help you all when I’m gone, though.

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    erichoug

    Why is it that all the religious lunatics feel like they have to go on and on. Who was it that made the joke about people who talk to much going to onandonanon?

    If brevity is the soul of wit, this guy is witless.

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    zenlike

    I love this guy. I’m sure it comes as a shock that he thinks Pope Francis is a heretic and a false pope.

    Well, not only this slightly less rightwing pope, but this guy even thinks the previous pope is an heretic. Talking about an extremist…

    The Sovereign Jurisdiction of the Holy Roman Church doth strictly charge and command all manner of persons here assembled immediately to disperse themselves and peaceably depart to their own homes. You could be arrested and or subject to other policy actions. For there is Absolutely No salvation Outside the Catholic Church

    Strange words for a guy who puts himself outside of the Holy Catholic Church.

    Mel Gibson is an apostate. Hutton Gibson is also an apostate

    The group of sedevacantistic loonies is very small, and apparently in that very small group there are even schisms and in-fights. Absolutely one of the most entertaining group of extremist wackos around.

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    noe1951

    How can you be unlawfully assembled? I thought the christian assembled everyone.

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    noe1951

    sorry – the christian god

  8. 8
    Randomfactor

    Earth IS stationary with regard to the Luminiferous Ether. Which, like god, doesn’t exist.

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    sigurd jorsalfar

    I don’t know whether to be depressed that such people exist, or to be happy that the human race has so far proven resilient enough to survive even though such people exist.

  10. 10
    dugglebogey

    I gotta start an atheist blog so I can join in on the fun!

  11. 11
    abb3w

    Who died and made this bozo Pope?

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    richardelguru

    “When I told him “You are absolutely hilarious. You should turn pro,”

    Isn’t it a bit cruel to rattle the cages of the poor inhabitants of Bedlam?

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    Gvlgeologist, FCD

    “Scientific” – You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

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    sinned34

    Sorry Modus, but the world revolves around ME. Seriously, everywhere I go, there I am. Everything I do in some way relates back to me. You can’t explain that.

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    zippythepinhead

    Geocentrism and heliocentrism are both wrong and disproved by the Mars rover Opportunity which has clearly shown that Mars is the center of the universe. There is no experiment by any of the Mars rovers that shows that Mars is moving. On the contrary all measurements from the surface of Mars prove that Mars is entirely stationary and that the Earth and Sun are both moving around Mars.

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    colnago80

    Well one thing’s for sure, the current pope is soft on Jews.

    http://goo.gl/uAyx78

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    Chris J

    I actually really enjoyed reading the select quotes about relativity and the different models of planetary motion. It almost lays out the history of the matter, and the questions about how one determines which model of reality is true are pretty cool. At least to me, they don’t seem to be very misleading either. Many of them are worded like hook lines for a documentary where an apparent paradox is resolved.

    Still, I gotta wonder how this guy looks at a quote that says “both models are equally correct” and determines that “this one model is proven correct while the other is proven wrong.”

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    bushrat

    Wait… The Sovereign Jurisdiction of the Holy Roman Church? Are you kidding me? I only recognize the Sovereign Jurisdiction of The Codex of Hammurabi. Or perhaps Cthulhu.

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    John Pieret

    There is no higher praise for this sort of person than that: “He almost makes the Time Cube guy seem rational.”

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    Al Dente

    no one in all history has ever proven that the Earth moves in space.

    The Stanford Solar Center would disagree:

    The Sun-Galactic center distance is 25,000 light-years — plus or minus 2,000 light-years. The galaxy is thought to be 100,000 light-years in diameter and we are thought to be about halfway out from the center (used to be thought that we were two-thirds out).

    If you have a good idea of the Sun’s distance from the Galactic center, then the solar system’s speed can be approximated. Using speed measurements of the gas at different distances from the Galactic center, the Sun appears to be cruising along at 200 kilometers per second and it takes 240 million years to complete the grand circuit around the Galaxy. This speed is an absolute speed.

    1 light-year = 9.46 X 10^15 meters

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    oranje

    Do you suppose he has macros, or does he really just type all of this out? This must take forever.

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    Lofty

    For believing I am on an insignificant rock spinning around an insignificant sun in an insignificant galaxy somewhere in an uncaring universe I suffered the wrath of the One True Church last night. Surprisingly, I slept quite well.

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    raven

    If there were a Catholic Kingdom today: it would invade the united states and march on each state capital to demand that the governors of these 50 states immediately…

    LOL!!! Good luck with that one.

    There are around 150 million Protestants in the USA. A large fraction of them have gun fetishes long past worship and collect guns to repel the next Zombie uprising, FEMA roundup, commie invasion, or demon outbreak. Since those never happen, they are all kitted out with no where to go. They’d love the target practice.

    The last time this happened was the Reformation wars. Tens of million died but the Protestants won. I’m sure they would be happy to make it double or nothing.

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    Moggie

    When someone uses the word “hereby”, you’re legally entitled to give them a wedgie.

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    Lofty

    oranje

    Do you suppose he has macros, or does he really just type all of this out? This must take forever.

    My father, who was a classic nutter in some ways, albeit not religious, used to manually type awful screeds similar in tone to these all the time. It’s a badge of honour for them to spend hours on what they imagine to be a finely crafted response. When I got one, I scanned, I crumpled, I hurled. The 20th century equivalent of hitting the delete key.

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    zenlike

    #11 abb3w

    Who died and made this bozo Pope?

    Pope Pius XII

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    matty1

    The unnatural vice sounds like a bad horror film but if I understand correctly he has given altogether too much thought to the sex lives of people he has never met.

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    NitricAcid

    I love the way he claims that the invasion of the USA by the Catholic Kingdom would be perfectly peaceful, as long as the governors did what they were told, and didn’t try to make things violent. If there was any violence, it would be the defenders’ fault for resisting, not the invader’s fault for invading. Reminds me of something a rapist would claim.

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    petrefax

    Usually I find cranks to be tedious, frustrating and darkly funny in a depressing way.

    This guy is pure, honest joy to read. Possibly the best crank since Archimedes Plutonium.

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    D. C. Sessions

    If the Earth is stationary, how does he explain Focault’s Pendulum?

    Put another way, he’s not only refusing to accept Einstein’s physics, but also Newton’s. Which, as an engineer, I find almost as much fun as the homeopathic mechanics of solid-state devices.

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    felidae

    Could we arrange for a barrel of anti-psychotic medications to be delivered to this guy’s house with a note attached saying it is manna from heaven and god wants him to partake freely

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    jnorris

    “If there were a Catholic Kingdom today” What’s with the “If”? If there is no Catholic Kingdom, then waht’s “The Sovereign Jurisdiction of the Holy Roman Church”?

    Way too much of this guy to ever answer.

    PZ, please forward these emails to Bill Donohue at the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights. Either Bill let one escape or forgot to recruit this intellectual.

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    lordshipmayhem

    From the Wikipedia on sedevacntism, or belief that there hasn’t been a legitimate pope since 1958:

    The number of sedevacantists is largely unknown, with estimates given in tens to hundreds of thousands.

    “Tens” is a number I can believe. “hundreds of thousands” is more like the estimate that Klayman came up with of his True Followers who attended his rally-in-a-phone-booth last month.

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    freehand

    Gvlgeologist, FCD: “Scientific” – You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

    Also, “empirical” and “evidence”.

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    Olav

    Dr. X #2:

    The invading Army.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2L0_wEEgmlk/Trg8CowdxBI/AAAAAAABCbY/vldUlgPOcOE/s1600/cw.jpg

    I know it is easy to make fun of the Swiss Guards, and I don’t blame you. But perhaps it is interesting to know that despite the weird costumes and outdated weapons and funny oaths they have to swear they really are well trained Swiss soldiers. The steel weapons are not just for show and parades, though that is a part of it, but they actually know how to use those things as well. In case a serious fight ever breaks out with armed opponents they also have modern automatic rifles and such in their armory.

    So they may not be a powerful invading force, but they are not completely toothless either. I am as anti-Catholic as most commenters here but I do have some respect for the guards, their traditions and their ethos. The fact that they avoid being seen in public with modern weapons while they do have them, is something I admire.

    Of course, even with their rifles, a few armed drones would make short work of them. That would be sad if that ever happened.

    Sorry for being off topic, but I find that Wykoff character completely uninteresting.

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    =8)-DX

    @DCS #30 – beat me to it. Yes: what about Focault’s Pendulum! Also please use stationary-earth geocentrism to explain differences in weight vs. mass in different latitudes =/.

    Denying gravity – it takes a special kind of kook.

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    democommie

    “Earth IS stationary with regard to the Luminiferous Ether.”

    Someone IS compiling a list of “Unintentionally discovered good names for alt bands”?

    Re: The Swiss Guard.

    Prior to becoming a nation of watchmakers, chocolatiers and bankers, the Swiss, like the Swedes hired out to whoever was willing to pay them to fight–and they were damned good at it.

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    A Waterchapel

    That’s one long, unsolicited tu quoque.

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    jakc

    Doesn’t Foucault’s pendulum prove that the Earth revolves on its axis, rather than proving it moves through space? Doesn’t the universe lack a center – that is, can’t any object in space be considered stationary while the rest of the universe moves? Isn’t part of the problem with the Ptolemaic system that it gets some of the orbits wrong? Perhaps there is some underlying effect which shows that the Earth is in motion, but isn’t part of this guy’s error in not understanding some of the quotes (not that the Earth is the center but that any point can be the center).

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    gertzedek

    Interestingly, most of the countries with Catholicism as the state religion seem to be republics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion#Catholic. Also, it seems that the Pope isn’t technically a king, per se: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope#Official_list_of_titles. Monaco is a Catholic monarchy, but it’s technically a principate, not a kingdom. Though I’m rather amused by the notion of Monaco invading the US. Spain comes closest, as a kingdom that gives special recognition to Catholicism, though it’s not the state religion anymore, but I suppose the fellow’s right in stating that there technically aren’t any Catholic kingdoms at the moment.

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    leftwingfox

    I’ve heard the term “No true scotsman” before. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone else self-identify as a scotsman, then define themselves as the ONLY true scotsman.

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    Bob Moler

    So far no one’s mentioned parallax, the use of he earth’s motion and orbit to determine the distances of many nearby stars. I would take a lot of angels to wobble those stars just right to produce the illusion of distance in these stars. Earl on the lack of parallax detected was one of the proofs against the Copernican model. In the 19th century instruments became accurate enough to detect it.

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    D. C. Sessions

    Doesn’t Foucault’s pendulum prove that the Earth revolves on its axis, rather than proving it moves through space?

    Yup. So which point on the face of the Earth is stationary, since the rest seems to be moving? And why is it then that we can repeat Michaelson-Morley at more than one point on the Earth’s surface and get negative results at all of them?

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    Trebuchet

    The center of the universe was formerly at my desk. I even had a sign that said so, and apologized for the wobble (in my e-mail signature) when my group got located. Since I retired, I’m not sure where it’s gotten to. Perhaps this guy will let me know.

    I’m trying to summon the nerve to visit his website.

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    raven

    (not that the Earth is the center but that any point can be the center).

    This is correct. In Relativity, there is no preferred reference frame. So there is no center to the universe. But any point can be considered the center of the universe since all points are equal.

    In common usage, we do choose intuitive reference frames. In the solar system, it is the sun. For the galaxy, the center.

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    vmanis1

    I must admit I began to scan it about halfway through, as it falls into the TZ;DR camp, for Z=zany. Still, I didn’t notice mention of my favorite scientific piece of evidence, the proof that there can be no more than seven planets (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn) because there are precisely seven holes in the normal human head (eyes, nostrils, mouth, and ears). This belief was common in the Middle Ages, and is still held by some of the odder occultists. Not including this suggests that this guy is a faker, a poseur, and perhaps even an apostate. I therefore order him to disperse.

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    dmcclean

    DC Sessions at #43 wrote:

    Doesn’t Foucault’s pendulum prove that the Earth revolves on its axis, rather than proving it moves through space?

    Yup. So which point on the face of the Earth is stationary, since the rest seems to be moving? And why is it then that we can repeat Michaelson-Morley at more than one point on the Earth’s surface and get negative results at all of them?

    I though so too, but actually even some later re-dos of Michelson-Morley’s exact methodology (according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson%E2%80%93Morley_experiment#Subsequent_experiments) only establish an upper bound on the velocity of the “aether” of 1.5 km/s. The tangential velocity of a point on earth at the equator relative to the earth’s center of mass is only about 0.5 km/s.

    A 1973 experiment with a different methodology does establish an upper bound of 2.5 cm/s, so Wykoff is still wrong, but even with modern equipment Michelson and Morley’s method might not be quite enough to prove it. The 1930 version listed in wikipedia actually wouldn’t be quite good enough to exclude it even if you did run it on the moon as I suggested at #1, the orbital velocity of the moon with respect to earth is about 1 km/s.

    So in a hypothetical universe where (a) this dude was important and (b) he actually believes that the Michelson-Morley method is valid and would be convinced by it, the ISS is probably our best bet (7.6 km/s).

    Of course, the same wiki article also says that analogous methods using lasers establish a limit of c/10^17 = 3 nm/s, so relativity is on some very solid ground. Of course it doesn’t matter, because there is no evidence that someone like this would ever accept, because evidence isn’t what he is using to make decisions about what to believe.

  49. 49
    Alex

    Also, the dipole of the cosmic microwave background… It provides the only cosmologically meaningful definition of a rest frame locally, and we’re not in it!

  50. 50
    jakc

    Thanks Raven. Perhaps you can take a crack at the Foucault’s pendulum question. Is it just that the Earth as a whole can’t be considered a single point of reference?

  51. 51
    whheydt

    Odd…so far no one has mentioned the Cosmic Background Radiation. It varies in such a way as to show an absolute velocity of the Earth (a few hundred Kps, as I recall) relative the the center of mass of the ENTIRE UNIVERSE.

    Re: The Swiss Guard. It’d be interesting to get them to a fighter practice in the Society for Creative Anachronism to see how the two groups would stack up against each other with that sort of weaponry.

  52. 52
    Alex

    @whheydt
    I just have though… :)

  53. 53
    Alex

    Although I think it’s not useful to call it the “center of mass frame” of the entire universe for two reasons. It might be infinite, so rest frame would be better, and due to cosmic expansion, objects at rest with respect to the cmb but in different places, move away from each other, so it’s not a rest frame in the usual sense, hence I say ‘locally’…

  54. 54
    D. C. Sessions

    I seriously doubt that someone who rejects special relativity would have a problem with the rest of the Universe moving relative to us — after all, that’s what the Celestial Sphere does. Not that he’d accept the methodology anyway — I mean, minute fractions of a degree K after redshifting from plasma down to zilch? The Big Bang?

    Get serious.

  55. 55
    jahigginbotham

    “Paul C. W. Davies, the editor of Nature, was forced to reply”
    The editor of Nature at the time was DAvid “Dai” Davies http://www.nature.com/nature/history/full/nature06283.html

    PCW Davies wrote a brief entry under “News and Views” in that issue.

    The same issue also contains an obituary for the electrochemist Cecil Whitfield Davies. He wasn’t an editor either.

  56. 56
    Al Dente

    whheydt @51

    Re: The Swiss Guard. It’d be interesting to get them to a fighter practice in the Society for Creative Anachronism to see how the two groups would stack up against each other with that sort of weaponry.

    There’s a massive difference between professionals (the Swiss Guard) and amateurs (the SCA).

    When Woody Harrelson was making the movie “White Men Can’t Jump” he bragged about his basketball abilities. He had played basketball in high school and college. Bob Lanier, who had recently retired from the Detroit Pistons, was the basketball coach for the movie. He challenged Harrelson to play one-on-one. Harrelson later described it as the most humiliating 15 minutes of his life.

  57. 57
    tiredofusernamerules

    He’s pretty pitiful, in the literal sense. Mental illness is difficult to watch in action.

  58. 58
    lorn

    The question of his assertions being factual or not is not even near the table.

    The real, and perhaps the only really interesting question, is whether Matt Wykoff is a crank, or mentally ill.

  59. 59
    sailor1031

    Scoff while you may all you unbelievers with your science, with your mathematics, with your evidence, your skepticism. But this is america and here people like Wykoff have guns! lots of guns. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

  60. 60
    democommie

    @59:

    Yeah, that would be typical. He hatez science but uses a computer and has “faith” in things like physics and chemistry where it’s for something he wants.

  61. 61
    barry21

    So Hell is at the center of the earth? Huh, I always thought it was nougat.

  62. 62
    coryat

    Ilk. It’s been said before, but seriously what is it with nuts and the word ilk?

  63. 63
    colnago80

    Re Al Dente @ #56

    Even if Lanier wasn’t a former pro basketball player, ole Woody would have had a tough time as he is more then a foot shorter then Lanier.

  64. 64
    Bronze Dog

    @14

    Sorry Modus, but the world revolves around ME. Seriously, everywhere I go, there I am. Everything I do in some way relates back to me. You can’t explain that.

    Funny thing. I recently argued with a biocentrist who made a big deal that whenever we performed and experiment, consciousness was involved, therefore consciousness is the foundation of the universe. I pointed out that he was essentially saying the same thing you did.

  65. 65
    Mobius

    ZOMG!!! The Earth is the center of the universe???

    [headdesk] [headdesk] [headdesk]

    [ow]

  66. 66
    Modusoperandi

    Bronze Dog “Funny thing. I recently argued with a biocentrist who made a big deal that whenever we performed and experiment, consciousness was involved, therefore consciousness is the foundation of the universe. I pointed out that he was essentially saying the same thing you did.”
    Consciousness? I didn’t mean that at all. That’s just stupid. I meant the universe revolves around my face. My beautiful, beautiful face. It’s really quite breathtaking. Seriously, people gasp when I enter the room. Then they run to the bathroom with their hands over their mouths, for some reason. My handsomeness, probably.

    So, when I’m dead and buried, the universe won’t be able to gaze down from above and see me. I’ll still be able to see me, though, which might be enough to hold things together. Mirrored casket liner. Even dead I’ll be all classy and shit.

  67. 67
    Ichthyic

    It’s destruction is imminent.

    The rest of his screed was perfectly thought out and entirely rational, but I had to stop reading after his misuse of the possessive form of “it” here.

    *sigh*

  68. 68
    Michelle Rogers

    They have a Catholic Singles site for sedevacantist singles. It’s rather depressing and disturbing.

    http://www.cmrisingles.com/

  69. 69
    ildi

    I hereby declare you to be a tumultuous and riotous-secularist assembly.

    Did I miss the party?

  70. 70
    Raging Bee

    So, when I’m dead and buried, the universe won’t be able to gaze down from above and see me. I’ll still be able to see me, though, which might be enough to hold things together. Mirrored casket liner.

    Nah, that wouldn’t work. Shit would still go flying apart all over the place, unless you’re interred above ground in a transparent casket that can be seen from space.

  71. 71
    Raging Bee

    I keep thinking “sedevacantist” means someone who believes all seats should be vacant. Or is it someone who talks to empty chairs, like Clint Eastwood?

    And most of those sedevacantist singles have vacant photo slots. I guess they’re practicing what they preach?

    And what’s with LatinVanguard, whose pic is of an inscription in stone? Is he trying to say that talking to him is like talking to a stone inscription? And I gotta love the description he gave:

    I love Latin. Latin is an integral part of our liturgy, a liturgy that the Novus Ordo has lobotomized and degraded. I don’t actually speak Latin very well, but even so, Liturgical Latin has a way of transcending language and speaking right to the heart.

    Right…he doesn’t really speak Latin, but he knows it’s the most wunnerful language on Earth and those modern folks have mangled it all up. Or at least he has faith that it is. Not sure why he’d put that up front on a singles site though…

  72. 72
    Ichthyic

    I keep thinking “sedevacantist” means someone who believes all seats should be vacant. Or is it someone who talks to empty chairs, like Clint Eastwood?

    someone who uses tranquilizer darts to remove people from areas?

  73. 73
    caseloweraz

    Michelle Rogers: They have a Catholic Singles site for sedevacantist singles. It’s rather depressing and disturbing.

    “Please note:

    Effective immediately our name and website have changed. Our new name is “Sedevacantist Singles” and our new website is located at www -dot- SedevacantistSingles -dot- com.” (address munged by me)

    This is not a link on the site. The only link to the new URL is at the bottom of the page. By “effective immediately” they mean 15 October 2010.

    Heh. The newer site has gone back to HTML 4.01 transitional (from XHTML 1.0 transitional) because no doctype is detected by W3C’s validator) and while the site looks exactly the same, it does have fewer errors.

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