No, Israel Does Not Prove God’s Existence


Joseph Farah makes his usual terrible arguments, this time claiming that the existence of Israel “proves God is real.” Why? Because the Bible said the Jewish people would eventually come back to the land God allegedly gave them and that Israel would exist again after going away for centuries.

I believe one of the best evidences that God is real – and who He says He is in the Bible – is the mere existence of the modern state of Israel…

But, it seems to me, the very best intellectual and tangible proof of the existence and sovereignty and almighty power of Yehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, is the reality of the rebirth of Israel just as it was predicted millennia ago – and facing the exact “controversies” and adversities that were foretold.

It’s undeniable – except for those who choose to deny it or refuse to examine the overwhelming evidence…

However, this was nothing compared to what God Himself suggested, through the prophet Jeremiah, was coming in the future. (Jeremiah 16:14-15)

“Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that it shall no more be said, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt; But, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.”…

Yet, it is the non-believer today who is without excuse, for we have witnessed an even greater miracle. No other nation in the history of the world has been revived after nearly 1,900 years – and surely not one prophesied to do that.

There is so much wrong with this. First of all, that return from being scattered already happened long before now even if you accept the validity of the Biblical history. The book of Jeremiah deals with events taking place just before and during the Babylonian exile around 600 BC. Israel had already been recreated after that exile, of course, and there is absolutely nothing in the book to suggest that it was referring to events that would happen 2500 years later.

But more importantly, even if you accept Farah’s premise it would not prove that God is real, only that belief in God is real. Israel was reestablished in 1949 largely because the leadership in the West believed the Bible to be true and therefore set out to “fulfill” that “prophecy.” But Farah refuses to even consider any other explanation than the one he favors.

Comments

  1. busterggi says

    The OT also says that Israel will be first among nations – is Farah going to convert after Israel conquers the world?

  2. borax says

    Correct me if I’m wrong (and I know you all will), but wasn’t the biblical Israel much bigger than the modern Israel?

  3. says

    There are many sites that contain lists of geographical errors in the bible. If you tried to use the bible as a “Lonely Planet” of Palestine, you wouldn’t be able to find anything.

    Take Mark 7:31 as an example, which says: “And again, departing from the coasts of Tyre and Sidon, he came unto the sea of Galilee, through the midst of the coasts of Decapolis.”

    On an actual map of the land, such a route makes no sense. Go north from Tyre to Sidon, then southeast to the sea of galillee? Only a person who had never been there and never consulted a map would call that the “short way” (i.e. the christian enclaves in Europe who compiled the fables into one book).

    http://lakesideministries.com/images/LOCM-Tyre_and_Sidon.jpg

    There’s more historical accuracy in Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey than the bible, and the Odyssey covers the entire length of the Mediterranean.

  4. barry21 says

    Borax – Biblical Israel existed in various forms. There were times that it included Damascus, which is very much NOT part of modern Israel.

  5. barry21 says

    @richardelguru

    I don’t think Israel’s abuses are quite Satanic. They’re all too human, unfortunately.

  6. says

    left0ver1under: “historical accuracy”

    Did you meant ‘geographical accuracy’?

    I suspect there ain’t much historical in any of them.

    Though I admit ‘a little bit’ is more than ‘almost none’

  7. says

    dysomniak (#4) –

    the “real” borders of Israel depend on what flavor of Zionist is peaking at the moment

    That certainly explains Israel’s land grabs and occupation of others’ land (e.g. the invasion of Lebanon in 2006).

    There are many historical claims of land possessed by other countries (e.g. Koreans want Jilin/Shilla now possessed by China, Tibetans view a third of mainland China as theirs, “Aztlan” and the US, etc.). Most of it is just talk to stir up argument, but Israel has the unchecked use of force to steal land backed by a guaranteed US veto of any UN resolution against it.

    How long before half the posts on this topic are by the roving and raving loon, slc?

  8. colnago80 says

    Re left0ver1under @ #9

    As expected, the Vancouver vampire weighs in with another Israel bashing comment. Shorter Vancouver vampire, give the Jews in Israel the Eichmann treatment.

  9. Artor says

    @left0ver1under #9
    Ask and ye shall receive. Colagno80 is slc1. That’s quite a succinct little rabid rant he dropped there for you. It’s like when a cat leaves an eviscerated mouse on your pillow.

  10. birgerjohansson says

    The king David of the OT almost certainly never existed, nor did Jerusalem rate a mention by the Egyptians who conquered the land after David is supposed to have lived.
    The oldest biblical king to be confirmed by archaeological evidence is Omri, a king with his capitol in Samaria.

    Re Mark 7:31 it was written down long after the putative disciple had iedd, and like other stuff probably mostly made up.

    “The book of Jeremiah deals with events taking place just before and during the Babylonian exile around 600 BC”
    It was during the exile Judaism as we know it was invented, under the pressure to retain cohesion and not get assimilated. The old gods (Baal, Asherah -aka Mrs.Yahwe- et cetera) were edited out of history. Only El/Yahweh remained.

    But if making things up appeals to Farah, I say he has chosen an ideal source.

  11. Sastra says

    Back when I hung out in the IRC debate rooms I memorized a very brief list of Rules to Identify a Genuine Prophesy:

    1.) It must be made before the fact, not after it.

    2.) It can’t be something which is likely to happen anyway.

    3.) It can’t be something that is fulfilled on purpose.

    Good list.

  12. Pierce R. Butler says

    borax @ # 3: … wasn’t the biblical Israel much bigger than the modern Israel?

    If by “biblical” you mean “mythic”, yup.

    The OT claims that under King David, Israel’s borders reached up to the Euphrates River (central Iraq, now). However, even the stories following shortly, about the purported breakup of the kingdom after the mismanagement & death of Solomon, don’t even reach as far as the modern border of Lebanon.

    Archaeologists say that during the purported time of David (~1000 BCE), Jerusalem was an utterly average little village. It had been a significant fortified citadel about six centuries before, and it became a (relatively) major trading center by three centuries later – at which time, apparently, a more glorious heritage was felt to be needed and was therefore invented from scraps of local legend.

    Only in 1999 did archaeologists find an authentic old inscription concerning “the house of David” (and that from a non-Jewish source boasting of a victory over same) – still the only physical evidence that such a person even existed (which would hardly be the case for a conqueror occupying the lands which make up five or six nations today).

    For the archeological story, see Israel Finkelstein & Neil Asher Silberman, David and Solomon: In Search of the Bible’s Sacred Kings and the Roots of the Western Tradition; for the historiography, Richard Elliott Friedman, Who Wrote the Bible?.

  13. Michael Heath says

    Joseph Farah:

    I believe one of the best evidences that God is real – and who He says He is in the Bible – is the mere existence of the modern state of Israel…

    I actually agree with him. Perhaps we still disagree on how compelling this line of evidence is for his god.

  14. barry21 says

    @richardelguru –

    I figured. I was just being a pain in the ass.

    Speaking of being a pain in the ass, having grown up in Connecticut, I’ve had more than a few “what the fuck am I doing living in Israel” moments.

    To wit: last year’s air raids, and feeling the necessity to buy a gas mask this summer.

  15. Douglas E says

    your western conspiracy theory is so out of vogue my friend. man up to the facts. let’s do a little bible quote shall we. we thumpin’ fundies know how much you liberals love that! … Isaiah 49:16 [God speaking to Israel] “See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands; your walls are ever before me.” tru dat.

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