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Nov 02 2013

DeLay: God Created the Constitution

Now that an appeals court has overturned his conviction for corruption, former House Speaker Tom DeLay has been on a whirlwind comeback tour, making the rounds of conservative shows and other outlets. During a service last week, John Hagee did an interview with DeLay in which he made this ridiculous claim:

“Jesus died for our freedom,” DeLay said. “And Jesus destroyed Satan so that we could be free and that is manifested in what is called the Constitution of the United States. God created this nation and God created the Constitution; it is written on biblical principles.”

Really? Which ones? Where is the concept of religious freedom in the Bible? Or the separation of powers? Or the idea of equal rights? Not only do those things not exist anywhere in the Bible, there are literally hundreds of verses that say the opposite. This is just ignorant babbling.

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  1. 1
    matty1

    Jesus destroyed Satan? Then why do so many Christians believe he is alive and well causing everything they dislike?

  2. 2
    Modusoperandi

    This is just ignorant babbling.”

    He knows his audience.

  3. 3
    cswella

    So because of Jesus’ sacrifice, I’m free to disbelieve him altogether?

  4. 4
    dingojack

    Shouldn’t the headline read:
    PoG: Obfuscation, obscurantism and delay?
    :) Dingo

  5. 5
    Trebuchet

    DeLay is clearly living in the Lord of the Rings universe. Jesus destroyed Morgoth, the original Satan, but he’s been replaced by Sauron, the current one. Or something.

    What an idiot.

  6. 6
    Chiroptera

    Now that an appeals court has overturned his conviction….

    Wait, don’t conservatives usually call this “letting criminals do on a technicality”?

  7. 7
    Chiroptera

    Oops. “Go on a technicality.”

  8. 8
    John Pieret

    God created this nation and God created the Constitution

    Why didn’t he sign it?

    The ludicrousness would be funny but it is the source of the idea that we can, for example, punish others for torturing our soldiers but our “righteous” leaders can’t be punished for doing the same thing.

  9. 9
    raven

    “And Jesus destroyed Satan so that we could be free

    As already noted, this isn’t standard xian belief.

    Not only is satan and the demons alive and well, they supposedly control this world. Jesus is nowhere, doing nothing.

    I barely remember DeLay and can’t even recall what he did to get convicted. But it looks like he is in dire need of money and knows what to do and how to get it. Feed the hate and lies of the fundies back to them.

  10. 10
    timberwoof

    There isn’t any standard Xtian belief. Even the Nicean Creed, which ordinarily defines Christianity, is not enough for the National Council of Churches, who exclude the Metropolitan Community Church (something about their ministry to gay people).

    Tom DeLay managed to stick his foot completely in it, though. American Exceptionalists are supposed keep their plan for a US theocracy secret.

  11. 11
    Sastra

    cswella #3 wrote:

    So because of Jesus’ sacrifice, I’m free to disbelieve him altogether?

    Christians have their own interpretation of what “freedom” means. Yes, you are “free” to disbelieve Tom DeLay. You are also “free” to disbelieve Jesus and in the same way you are “free” to not believe in God.

    But then you must suffer the natural consequences of this “freedom:” an ultimate accountability and punishment of damnation and eternal confinement to Hell.

    That’s not freedom. One might as well say that Ghengis Khan gave his underlings the freedom to bow to him or not. It’s just that if they didn’t, they’d immediately get their heads chopped off. But the choice was theirs. They were generously allowed to defy him … and then reap the fruit of their defiance..

    Also, remember — if the existence of God was clear and obvious to all, then that would remove our “freedom” to believe in Him and love Him.

    Given this completely screwed up view of what “freedom” means of when it comes to religion, it’s not surprising that they get it all twisted when they try to apply it to politics.

  12. 12
    raven

    There isn’t any standard Xtian belief.

    True.

    Half of all US xians don’t even believe satan exists. That satan rules this world is a common fundie xian belief though. Although with 42,000 sects, xians never agree on anything.

    For fans of bible trivia, you can get this belief out of the magic Rorschach Inkblot. Or the opposite, as it frequently contradicts itself.

    The Deceptions of Satan the Devil
    ww w.askel m.com/d octrine/d950201.htm‎
    And believe me, Satan has managed to pull off the grandest subterfuge ever …. That event when Christ takes over world rule is yet future to us, though it may not …

    1 John 5: 19 We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.

    2 Corinthians 4:4 (NIV) 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

    National Council of Churches? Who cares any more? The NCC has been declining for years and appears to be all but dead.

  13. 13
    raven

    National Council of Churches to Examine Its Financial Problems
    www. christianpost. com › church & ministry‎
    Feb 13, 2012 – Major ecumenical organization National Council of Churches will be examining its financial problems at its upcoming leadership meeting later …

    The NCC isn’t the worst of US xian bodies. A lot of fundies hate it which tells you what you need to know.

    It doesn’t seem to be very active or do much any more. They put out a yearbook of US xianity which I found very useful. It tallies membership numbers and was basically a document on the decline of US xianity. It came out for 80 years. It didn’t come out this year.

    The decline of US xianity must be serious (to them) when they can’t even be bothered to count it any more.

  14. 14
    Modusoperandi

    raven “They put out a yearbook of US xianity which I found very useful. It tallies membership numbers and was basically a document on the decline of US xianity. It came out for 80 years. It didn’t come out this year.”
    You didn’t hear? They switched to a calendar. It’s pretty hot.

  15. 15
    felidae

    It looks like the king of the congressional grifters is a free man and has hit the ground running to reestablish his reign

  16. 16
    Area Man

    “Jesus died for our freedom,” DeLay said.

    That’s weird. I thought he died for our sins. It’s good to know that what he really died for was our freedom to sin.

  17. 17
    shouldbeworking

    So, since JC gave you people the Hoy Constitution and died for YOUR freedom, he and the other 2/3 of the Axis of god are going leave the rest of us alone? OK, I can live with that.

  18. 18
    Michael Heath

    Tom Delay states:

    “Jesus died for our freedom,” DeLay said.

    So Hell doesn’t exist? And all those New Testament verses that God commands us to slavishly, blindly, and childishly submit or face eternal suffering are all lies? How ’bout that.

  19. 19
    busterggi

    ““Jesus died for our freedom,” DeLay said. “And Jesus destroyed Satan ”

    When is DeLay going to debate Hagee?????

  20. 20
    Alverant

    The US Constitution has people voting for their leaders and the means to remove the person in charge if they’re not doing their job. Where in the Bible does it say how to fire God?

  21. 21
    Modusoperandi

    It’s kind of sad, actually. I thought that fallible people came up with the 3/5ths compromise.

  22. 22
    catbutler

    Give him his due—-slavery is enshrined in both the bible and the Constitution so that’s at least one biblical value, right?

  23. 23
    dingojack

    3/8? Is god giving a discount on the Constitution’s ’3/5th Rule’?
    ;)Dingo

  24. 24
    dragon

    Sastra #11

    Christians have their own interpretation of what “freedom” means. Yes, you are “free” to disbelieve Tom DeLay. You are also “free” to disbelieve Jesus and in the same way you are “free” to not believe in God.

    Yes, Xians have their own interpretation of what “freedom” means, but you are not describing it correctly.

    Xians are the only ones that are free, because they have submitted their will to God. And are only free to the extent that they have submitted themselves to God. If we were free from Original Sin, then we would always do exactly what God wants, by our own “free” choice and with no option otherwise.

    The rest of us are all ‘slaves to our sin’. And slaves can not have freedom. Sure we can choose to take various and different actions, but only because our earthly flesh forces us. Non-Xians are trapped in this illusion that we could choose differently, but our sin’s controlled us, even when we choose the moral and ethical path.

    Xian “freedom” is as clear as Orwellian Doublespeak.

  25. 25
    lpetrich

    Is only the original Constitution divinely inspired? Or are some of its amendments also divinely inspired? If so, then which ones and why?

    The Constitution originally stated that the Vice President is whoever gets the second most votes for President. Obama-Romney, anyone? But that was quickly amended to the present system.

  26. 26
    maddog1129

    It’s not ignorant babbling, it’s straight-up lying.

  27. 27
    Ingdigo Jump

    So everyone continues believing that “Hot Tube Tom” is a sincere Christian huh?

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