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Oct 31 2013

Loudon: Obamacare Already Causing Suicide!

Worldnetdaily columnist Gina Loudon offers up this inane screed about Obamacare, claiming that it’s already causing suicides (with no evidence whatsoever, of course). And she seems to think that there’s some huge risk that someone’s private medical information will be released under the new law, which is simply absurd.

This administration has withheld health care without ever revoking a medical device. It has taken guns and lives without overturning the Second Amendment. It has caused suicides and deaths with only the weapon of Obamacare.

*holds up a big sign that reads ‘Evidence please’* It hasn’t even been implemented yet, for crying out loud. And how does giving people health insurance make them commit suicide, exactly?

I wrote a story this week about the nationalizing of our health care through Obamacare and what that might mean to our privacy. The psychological impact of Obamacare goes way beyond the practical privacy implications.

As a behavioral expert, I have already heard from people that there is just certain information they don’t feel like they can discuss with a counselor any longer. From older people, I have heard that there are medical conditions they don’t feel they can discuss with their doctors for fear of it being disclosed. From constitutional experts, I have heard that Obamacare essentially leaves constitutional rights, especially the Bill of Rights, in tatters…

How many will simply not seek mental help when they need it, and how many lives will be destroyed for it? How many will not seek medicine when they need it for fear of someone knowing they are on it?

Mitt Romney’s private contribution to the National Organization for Marriage was leaked by an IRS agent. The breach was turned into a campaign issue, but no one has ever been prosecuted. How many good people will not seek office for fear of that happening to them?

Dr. Andy Lemons, an OB-GYN from Birmingham, Ala., said he has heard stories from his patients of the Obamacare questionnaires asking about sexual orientation, gun ownership, income and other personal information. If all of this is shared among agencies, including law enforcement, as Obama has said it will be, what, if anything, is private anymore?

People who are under psychological trauma say that their greatest fear in seeking help is the possibility that someone will disclose their private information. Now they are told that it is not only a possibility, it is a promise. But the psychological trauma doesn’t end there. Not only will citizens’ private psychological information be shared, so will their medical information.

This is all complete bullshit. Every syllable of it. The Affordable Care Act does absolutely nothing to change the laws on the release of medical information. HIPAA is still the law of the land. And here’s the important part: the same people — doctors and insurance companies — will be handling that information. Your medical information resides only with doctors, hospitals and insurance companies, just as it always was, and they are covered by the same prohibitions on the release of that information that have long existed.

And I’ve already gone through the signup process on the Obamacare website. It does not ask anything about sexual orientation, gun ownership or anything like that. It does ask for income information if you’re signing up for a subsidy; if it didn’t, Loudon would be screaming about how it was giving money away to those who don’t need it. In fact, it doesn’t ask anything at all about your health other than if you’re a smoker. You know why? Because there’s no underwriting for the insurance plans because pre-existing conditions are no longer a reason for denying coverage or jacking up the price.

It’s incredible just how far the wingnuts are willing to go to sow fear into people — and the staggering lies they’re willing to tell to do it.

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  1. 1
    petemoulton

    It’s even more incredible how many ignorant Americans believe their bullshit.

  2. 2
    doublereed

    Well there are legitimate privacy concerns with the website. But that’s more about hackers and cybersecurity. Not this batshit crazy stuff about people disclosing information.

  3. 3
    Modusoperandi

    Mitt Romney’s private contribution to the National Organization for Marriage was leaked by an IRS agent. The breach was turned into a campaign issue, but no one has ever been prosecuted. How many good people will not seek office for fear of that happening to them?

    Yes. How many people will refuse to seek office because doing something they’re for via their PAC might be exposed publicly in documents that, even before the whistleblower, were publicly available? How many?!
     

    Dr. Andy Lemons, an OB-GYN from Birmingham, Ala., said he has heard stories from his patients of the Obamacare questionnaires asking about sexual orientation, gun ownership, income and other personal information.

    On the plus side, Alabama has an OB-GYN now.

  4. 4
    Nihilismus

    She’s probably all for the NSA spying on everyone, but ask her to release the same information and she’ll flip out.

    How many will simply not seek mental help when they need it, and how many lives will be destroyed for it? How many will not seek medicine when they need it for fear of someone knowing they are on it?

    That’s happening right now, but it’s not because of Obamacare. Some symptoms of mental problems are viewed as being moved by God, others as being caused by demon possession. The NRA would rather have people be more closely surveilled if they exhibit mental problems than have a database of gun owners. Seeking non-religious counseling or certain types of prescriptions while employed in the government or military can inhibit promotions. All of these things discourage people from seeking help or even checking to see if they need it.

  5. 5
    frankb

    I think suicides are certainly possible when people who believe the wingnut lies have to deal with the ACA. Then the very same wingnuts who told the lies will point to the poor victim and say “See, I told you so.”

  6. 6
    Randomfactor

    “As a behavioral expert”

    Familarity with her own psychosis does not count towards accreditation.

  7. 7
    John Pieret

    It has caused suicides

    Maybe she is talking about her brain committing suicide … after all, there is plenty of evidence for that!

  8. 8
    caseloweraz

    Loudon: From constitutional experts, I have heard that Obamacare essentially leaves constitutional rights, especially the Bill of Rights, in tatters…

    That must be why the Supreme Court, with its conservative majority, decided it was constitutional. Why does the SCOTUS hate our freedoms?

  9. 9
    eric

    I think suicides are certainly possible when people who believe the wingnut lies have to deal with the ACA.

    Arguably, this was one of them.

  10. 10
    caseloweraz

    There’s one probable suicide that could plausibly be laid to “ObamaCare” — that of one T. Partey. But we won’t know for sure until the fall of next year.

  11. 11
    Nemo

    Mitt Romney’s private contribution to the National Organization for Marriage was leaked by an IRS agent. The breach was turned into a campaign issue, but no one has ever been prosecuted. How many good people will not seek office for fear of that happening to them?

    Trick question. Good people don’t contribute to NOM.

  12. 12
    Modusoperandi

    Nemo “Trick question. Good people don’t contribute to NOM.”
    Wrong. I did. Their name is misleading. I thought they were for marriage. How was I to know? How?!

  13. 13
    Doug Little

    caseloweraz @10,

    Nah. T Partey is not dead yet. They are currently bleeding from a gaping neck wound they sustained when playing with scissors and the overdose of crazy pills hasn’t quite kicked in yet.

  14. 14
    justsomeguy

    “…there are medical conditions they don’t feel they can discuss with their doctors for fear of it being disclosed…

    How many will simply not seek mental help when they need it, and how many lives will be destroyed for it? How many will not seek medicine when they need it for fear of someone knowing they are on it?”

    It’s worth noting that people like this only care about others’ inability to get medical treatment when it’s possible to blame that inability on Obamacare.

    When people could not discuss a medical condition with their doctor because they could not afford to go to the doctor in the first place, that was no big deal. Waiting a long time for emergency mental health treatment isn’t even worth discussing, but waiting a long time for a webpage to load is unforgivable. Death panels were no big deal when the panel was trying to improve profits for the wealthy shareholders of the insurance company that operates the panel, but all of a sudden when that death panel is run by the government (yes, I know it’s made up, but people believe it’s real), it’s the worst thing ever.

  15. 15
    Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    I just learned something. I was sure that

    HIPAA was actually HIPPA.

    Wasn’t the bill called the Health Insurance Privacy, and Portability Act?

    Nope, Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act.

    Weird. I wonder how I could have misremembered so badly.

  16. 16
    raven

    1. The Tea Party/GOP has now turned to trying to actively sabotage the ACA. The lies are endless and ever growing and so wacko as to be funny.

    They are very serious about it. To the point where the Koch’s and others are spending huge amounts of money, tens of millions of dollars at the least.

    2. IMO, it isn’t going to work. It might slow uptake of the ACA but people are always looking for a good deal and pursuing their own best interests.

    So far, what we can see indicates a huge interest and demand for the ACA.

    3. One of the main users of the ACA is likely to be the Tea Party base. In one provision already up and running, Republicans are putting their adult kids up to age 26 on their insurance plans at rates higher than the Democrats.

    Study shows declining life span for some US women – Yahoo News
    news. yahoo. com/study-shows-declining-life-span-us-women-210806663…‎

    Mar 4, 2013 – They found that nationwide, the rate of women dying younger than … It too found that women were dying sooner, especially in the South. … in life expectancy for white women who never earned a high school diploma. … Some also think the statistics could reflect a migration of healthier women out of rural …

    The ACA might as well have been designed for the Tea Party base. They tend to be uneducated and low socioeconomic status people in the south and west. The type unlikely to have health insurance. And it shows.

    Fundie xian white women in the rural south and west are showing declining lifespans. No one is sure quite why, but access to health care is thought to be part of it.

  17. 17
    coffeehound

    How many will simply not seek mental help when they need it, and how many lives will be destroyed for it?

    Gee, Gina, I don’t know, how many didn’t access these services before before they had no mental health benefits available to them?
    Or are you just one more disingenuous ass arguing against the implementation of a benefit you didn’t want anyone to have in the first place?

  18. 18
    coffeehound

    before->because

  19. 19
    Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

    It does ask for income information if you’re signing up for a subsidy; if it didn’t, Loudon would be screaming about how it was giving money away to those who don’t need it.

    Yeah, but who knows what a rogue agent might do if the IRS were allowed to know people’s incomes.

  20. 20
    Pierce R. Butler

    … Obamacare questionnaires asking about sexual orientation, gun ownership…

    A report of how many gays have guns, regardless of the numbers it shows, would provoke a plethora of hilarious kneejerking from all corners of the wingnutosphere.

  21. 21
    Thumper: Who Presents Boxes Which Are Not Opened

    As a behavioral expert, I have already heard from people that there is just certain information they don’t feel like they can discuss with a counselor any longer. From older people, I have heard that there are medical conditions they don’t feel they can discuss with their doctors for fear of it being disclosed.

    I don’t suppose that might be because nutjobs like Louden keep telling these patients that such information might be disclosed, could it?

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