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Oct 28 2013

WND Cites ‘Expert’ on ‘Demonology’

It’s Halloween time and you know what that means. It means we get treated to the bleatings of Christian fundamentalists who think that participating in Halloween opens children (and adults, presumably) up to demonic possession. Whatever the hell that is. The Worldnetdaily is concerned with more than Halloween, though; they’re concerned about the popularity of zombies, vampires and other bad beasties.

Halloween is approaching, and the theaters and TV channels are flooded with ghosts, zombies, monsters and worse.

Just entertainment, amusement and not representative of anything real, right?

Karl Payne, an expert on demonology and the author of “Spiritual Warfare: Christians, Demonization and Deliverance,” believes these elements of Americana sometimes are more than just “fun and games.”

“When you live in [a] culture that glamorizes this, when you live in a culture that encourages people to get involved in these type of activities, do you not think that there are some people, from all age groups, who get lured into the occult through the culture we promote?” Payne asked.

He’s an “expert” in “demonology.” You know, like Gordon Klingenschmitt, who can pick out the specific demons that possess people he’s never met. And Bob Larson, with his terrible combover and well-practiced pitches for bigger and bigger donations. I presume there must be some special demon decoder ring that they wear that comes in a box of communion wafers.

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  1. 1
    Modusoperandi

    Be safe this Halloween. Go as Jesus.

  2. 2
    raven

    The War on Halloween was a bit of a disappoinment this year.

    The fundies were so busy with their other war, the War against the USA, that they didn’t really get going.

    Oh well. The next holiday war is coming up soon. The War on Xmas and the War on the War on Xmas.

  3. 3
    ragingapathy

    @1: Or, be unsafe — go as Mohammed.

  4. 4
    raven

    WND Cites ‘Expert’ on ‘Demonology’

    I assume they also have experts on elves, fairies, unicorns, UFO aliens, Bigfoots, goblins, trolls, and all the other imaginary beings.

  5. 5
    unbound

    Well, I agree with concerns over vampires. The current crop of vampire novels and movies has destroyed the lore of those monsters perhaps forever…

  6. 7
    criticaldragon1177

    Ed Brayton

    I heard about this. It just shows how messed up their thinking is. On the bright side its given us some unintentional hilarity! However, not as much as their reaction to Harry Potter.

  7. 8
    Nihilismus

    @3: I can see a child going as Aladdin or Sinbad and some wingnut flipping out because they think Islam is spreading or the kid is making light of terrorists.

    When I was a kid, I found ghost and monster movies scary because I actually thought they could be real. I actually thought there were ghosts, and maybe monsters possessed by the devil. In fact, I saw a few movies where teens treating the occult as “fun and games” were the reason the evil was unleashed. So I certainly stayed away from occult things. Of course, I also believed in a god and Santa, so it wasn’t too much of a stretch to believe the other things.

    I have long since found scary movies to be . . . not scary (unless there is some jump scare, and even then I’m only briefly startled, then disappointed that that was the only idea the writers had to make something “scary”). I just can’t find ghost and possession stories believable anymore, now that I don’t believe in anything supernatural.

    So WND should encourage children to watch scary movies. As long as they believe they can be real, they’ll believe a god can be real, too.

  8. 9
    matty1

    I’ve mentioned this before but I’ve heard that most of the anti-Potter stuff circulating among Christians actually originated in an article about how they were too gullible and would even fall for ridiculous ideas like Harry Potter encouraging witchcraft.

  9. 10
    cgm3

    @1 & @3: Or go as Buddha and confuse the heck out of ‘em.

  10. 11
    eoraptor

    Most of the vampire movies I’ve ever seen would seem to lures for people to join the NRA — lots and lots of guns, and never-ending ammo. Indeed, most of the really bad stuff seems to happen when the “survivors” run out of guns and ammo.

  11. 12
    eoraptor

    Crap! I mean zombie movies. Fingers have a mind of their own, I guess.

  12. 13
    Sastra

    The popularity of fictional and self-designated “based on a true story” “reality” shows which deal with the occult probably does lead not just to increased belief in its truth, but to a small spike in the number of Wiccans, pagans, witches, and New Agers. So what? Same shit, different shovel. The vast majority of these spiritual groups are either self-consciously “positive” lovers of the earth or teenagers going through a short-lived phase.

    (Of course, I can only be so cavalier because in my culture people who believe in spooky occult forces and advocate their use have no power in reality and little power in politics. But I would not want to see what would happen if the majority of a culture both took magic seriously and successfully stigmatized the idea of testing it. Spectral evidence back in the courtroom, for one thing.)

  13. 14
    beezlebubby

    I went to a halloween party this last Friday. I was horrified. At least 10 of the 250 revelers came as Duck Dynasty doods. Given that area, most of those guys needed only a fake beard to go with their usual day-to-day attire to complete the costume, and at least one didn’t even need the beard!

    My lady friend had no idea what Duck Dynasty is, which is part of the reason I love her so much.

  14. 15
    John Pieret

    beezlebubby @ 14:

    I also do not know what “Duck Dynasty ” is (we can skip the loving part) but I am going to avoid Googling it. My esteem for modern American culture is low enough.

  15. 16
    timgueguen

    Short version: Duck Dynasty is a reality show about the antics of a family who are in the duck call making business. I suspect it’s just about entirely scripted.

  16. 17
    Modusoperandi

    Actually, it’s Dynasty, but with ducks.

  17. 18
    wpjoe

    If you want to make sure young people shun/abandon your religion, take the most fun thing going and decide that your religion is against it. In my day, my church was against Hollywood movies, dancing, and girls wearing jewelry, make-up, and pants (as well as drinking, smoking, and fornicating). Halloween is the coolest holiday and second only to Xmas in popularity and commerce. Coming out against it has got to be the stupidest PR move possible if you want to perpetuate your group.

  18. 19
    billdaniels

    Modus: I can’t wait to watch their upcoming spinoff: The Ducks of Hazzard.

  19. 20
    Michael Heath

    I’m not sure why they’re all that concerned. According to certain family members Satan’s in possession of me. And given that the Bible doesn’t describe Satan as omnipresent, at least there’s no threat of the big guy going after the fundie’s kiddies.

    I need to figure out a way to collect donations for my service to humanity. Anybody have Rick Warren’s cell #?

  20. 21
    Trebuchet

    I’ve mentioned this before but I’ve heard that most of the anti-Potter stuff circulating among Christians actually originated in an article about how they were too gullible and would even fall for ridiculous ideas like Harry Potter encouraging witchcraft.

    According to Snopes, they got it from The Onion.

  21. 22
    lofgren

    I’m sure that some people who watch vampire and zombie movies end up being drawn tot he occult as a result. I suspect that fewer people are drawn to the occult when it’s sold as cheap entertainment than would be if the fundies had their way, and the occult was viewed as a source of legitimate magical powers.

  22. 23
    matty1

    @21 That’s brilliant, even better when you take account of this.

    Obviously her type of Christianity, with its doubts and the willingness to accept non-Christians as good people would still be anathema to fundies but it’s interesting the effort they put in to be wrong about absolutely everything.

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