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Fox Guests Lie About Obamacare

Sean Hannity recently presented three stories of Real Americanstm who had “stories that the media refuses to cover” about how Obamacare was doing terrible damage to them. Eric Stern decided to call up all three couples to get the real story and, surprise surprise, they all turned out to be false. Story #1:

First I spoke with Paul Cox of Leicester, N.C. He and his wife Michelle had lamented to Hannity that because of Obamacare, they can’t grow their construction business and they have kept their employees below a certain number of hours, so that they are part-timers.

Obamacare has no effect on businesses with 49 employees or less. But in our brief conversation on the phone, Paul revealed that he has only four employees. Why the cutback on his workforce? “Well,” he said, “I haven’t been forced to do so, it’s just that I’ve chosen to do so. I have to deal with increased costs.” What costs? And how, I asked him, is any of it due to Obamacare? There was a long pause, after which he said he’d call me back. He never did.

What a shock. Story #2:

Next I called Allison Denijs. She’d told Hannity that she pays over $13,000 a year in premiums. Like the other guests, she said she had recently gotten a letter from Blue Cross saying that her policy was being terminated and a new, ACA-compliant policy would take its place. She says this shows that Obama lied when he promised Americans that we could keep our existing policies.

Allison’s husband left his job a few years ago, one with benefits at a big company, to start his own business. Since then they’ve been buying insurance on the open market, and are now paying around $1,100 a month for a policy with a $2,500 deductible per family member, with hefty annual premium hikes. One of their two children is not covered under the policy. She has a preexisting condition that would require purchasing additional coverage for $600 a month, which would bring the family’s grand total to around $20,000 a year.

I asked Allison if she’d shopped on the exchange, to see what a plan might cost under the new law. She said she hadn’t done so because she’d heard the website was not working. Would she try it out when it’s up and running? Perhaps, she said. She told me she has long opposed Obamacare, and that the president should have focused on tort reform as a solution to bringing down the price of healthcare.

I tried an experiment and shopped on the exchange for Allison and Kurt. Assuming they don’t smoke and have a household income too high to be eligible for subsidies, I found that they would be able to get a plan for around $7,600, which would include coverage for their uninsured daughter. This would be about a 60 percent reduction from what they would have to pay on the pre-Obamacare market.

So in reality, this is a huge success for Obamacare in reducing their health care premium by nearly two-thirds. Story #3:

Finally, I called Robbie and Tina Robison from Franklin, Tenn. Robbie is self-employed as a Christian youth motivational speaker. (You can see his work here.) On Hannity, the couple said that they, too, were recently notified that their Blue Cross policy would be expiring for lack of ACA compliance. They told Hannity that the replacement plans Blue Cross was offering would come with a rate increase of 50 percent or even 75 percent, and that the new offerings would contain all sorts of benefits they don’t need, like maternity care, pediatric care, prenatal care and so forth. Their kids are grown and moved out, so why should they be forced to pay extra for a health plan with superfluous features?

When I spoke to Robbie, he said he and Tina have been paying a little over $800 a month for their plan, about $10,000 a year. And the ACA-compliant policy that will cost 50-75 percent more? They said this information was related to them by their insurance agent.

Had they shopped on the exchange yet, I asked? No, Tina said, nor would they. They oppose Obamacare and want nothing to do with it. Fair enough, but they should know that I found a plan for them for, at most, $3,700 a year, 63 percent less than their current bill. It might cover things that they don’t need, but so does every insurance policy.

All three stories were lies. How entirely unsurprising.

Comments

  1. gingerbaker says

    This demonstrated propaganda is broadcast on a “News” channel.Why does this propaganda outfit not have its charter revoked?

  2. chilidog99 says

    I bet that as soon as Robie hung up the phone, he went on the exchange, policy shopping.

    Ideals and principles are great and all that, but money is money.

  3. Doug Little says

    So the Hannity show puts on people that haven’t even shopped on the exchange and uses them as an example of a failure of the ACA?? Why am I not surprised.

    Can we expect a retraction…. Hell No.

  4. petemoulton says

    chilidog99 @ #3: “Ideals and principles are great and all that, but money is money.”

    Especially to a republican.

  5. raven says

    CBO estimates of impact on deficit wikipedia ACA

    CBO: Deficit reduction under the ACA; the “bump” is from the coverage expansion starting 2014[228]

    The 2011 comprehensive CBO estimate projected a net deficit reduction of more than $200 billion during the 2012–2021 period:[229][230]

    it calculated the law would result in $604 billion in total outlays offset by $813 billion in total receipts, resulting in a $210 billion net reduction in the deficit.[229] The CBO separately noted that while most of the spending provisions do not begin until 2014,[231][232] revenue will still exceed spending in those subsequent years.[233]

    The christofascists have been claiming for years that it is equal to slavery, everyone will be implanted with microchips, anal probed by Reptilian UFO aliens, and on and on.

    To the point that they would rather destroy the USA than let a few poor, self employed, or preexisting conditions people buy health care insurance from a web site.

    I’ve always looked at the ACA as a minor change to our patched together health care system. It is.
    According to the Congressional Budget Office, it is going to reduce the federal deficit by, a net deficit reduction of more than $200 billion. over ten years.

    In other words, in direct costs to the federal budget, it will save $20 billion a year not cost more money.

  6. raven says

    The Tea Party are likely to be heavy users of ACA aka Obamacare.

    1. They already are. More Republicans than Democrats have put their adult up to 26 children on their policies, part of the ACA.

    2. In Tea Party areas, for the first time in a century, average lifespans are falling sharply. The hardest hit demographic are white women in the rural south and west. It’s not known quite why but access to health care is the leading theory.

    Rural white women in fundieland are likely to be low education and low socioeconomic status. The ACA might as well have been designed for them.

    And sooner or later they might get tired of living shorter, unhealthy lives. Just a guess here, maybe their jesus soaked lives are so horrible they want to die young and go see the angels in their heaven.

  7. unbound says

    I noticed that story #2 included a comment about tort reform. So Allison got sucked into that nonsense too.

    Of course, tort reform has been accomplished in many states at this point, and, in all cases, resulted in increased prices. But that is another aspect of reality people like Allison would rather ignore than bother to check out….

  8. caseloweraz says

    Eric Stern decided to call up all three couples to get the real story and, surprise surprise, they all turned out to be false.

    But… but… Chad Peterson!

    /sarc

    Young Mr. Peterson claimed he had enrolled himself and his father under the ACA (on 3 October, IIRC.) The father later disclosed that they had only window-shopped.

    Of course this is claimed as a “failure of ObamaCare” on right-wing media.

  9. raven says

    One of the more malevolent things about the christofascist hatred of the ACA, besides its basic in fantasy, is how they are actively trying to sabotage it.

    1. The Koch brothers are spending tens of milions of dollars trying to get people to not sign up for it.

    These guys are worth tens of billions of dollars. Why do they even care if people can’t afford medical care? This is just pure evil. A hobby that includes forcing people to forgo healthier, longer lives. Cthulhu, why can’t they collect stamps, art, or rocks or something.

    2. Fox noNews, Forbes, and the Wall Street Journal lie a lot. Routine, no surprise.

    3. The latest attempt to destroy the USA, the shutdown.

    4. The Tea Party/GOP are trying any way they can to discourage people from signing up. It’s slavery, implanted microchips, anal probing, rape, forced contraception, whatever. No lie is too cuckoo or implausibel for them to tell.

    Ultimately, IMO, it isn’t going to work. It will slow enrollment, maybe by a lot. But eventually people seek and find their own self interest and well being, and, if the ACA, fills that, it is going to be popular.

  10. lofgren says

    Eric Stern decided to call up all three couples to get the real story and, surprise surprise, they all turned out to be false.

    Yet more evidence of the liberal media in action.

  11. John Pieret says

    No, Tina said, nor would they. They oppose Obamacare and want nothing to do with it.

    So much for rational self-interest that is supposed to make capitalism such a perfect economic system.

  12. chilidog99 says

    Raven@11.

    Ixnay on the analnay obingpray.

    We don’t want them to find out about the fun bits of the ACA.

  13. raven says

    Why Republicans Are Starting to Love Health Reform – The Daily …
    www .thedailybeast. com/…/why-republicans-are-starting-to-love-health-r…‎

    Aug 28, 2013 – The Affordable Care Act, known as Obamacare, is starting to take effect. … policies to children whose parents have coverage until they turn 26. … But it is more likely that Republicans, being generally better off than … Thanks to Obamacare, the grown-ups are putting their kids on their insurance plans.

    Documentation for one of the claims in #8.

    The GOP might claim to hate the ACA, but they are already using parts of it.

  14. abb3w says

    As a pedantic point, Eric Stern did not show that what Allison Denijs said was false. In particular,

    She says this shows that Obama lied when he promised Americans that we could keep our existing policies.

    What Stern did was find that there now an alternative that was (or at least appears to be) better than the previous plan. However, that’s a subtly different point. “Getting something better” is not “keeping the existing”. This is likely peculiarly upsetting to and traumatic for the “all change is bad” type of conservative. This may be insane, and it may make them feel like idiots when it’s explicitly pointed out “You’re complaining because you now are having more comprehensive coverage for less money?” Nonetheless, it isn’t “false”.

    @15, raven

    Documentation for one of the claims in #8.

    The GOP might claim to hate the ACA, but they are already using parts of it.

    But those kids are likely to be voting for the Democratic party’s socialist candidates, so they don’t REALLY count.

  15. says

    But what about all the liars they haven’t brought on yet? Hah! Refute that!

    raven “The GOP might claim to hate the ACA, but they are already using parts of it.”
    Well, sure, but it’s still an evil program. They should repeal it. Except for the parts I use.

  16. Michael Heath says

    unbound writes:

    Of course, tort reform has been accomplished in many states at this point, and, in all cases, resulted in increased prices.

    Cite requested.

  17. freemage says

    chilidog99:

    Raven@11.

    Ixnay on the analnay obingpray.

    We don’t want them to find out about the fun bits of the ACA.

    No kidding. After all, we know they find that sort of thing incredibly addictive (their own pastors say so!), so we just need to get them once and they’re hooked, right?

  18. eric says

    The thing that annoys me most about these cases is that the people will likely wise up, get an ACA policy, and still complain about it.

  19. Pierce R. Butler says

    raven @ # 7: … it will save $20 billion a year …

    And you complain about Fox & Heritage juggling their numbers.

    “Obamacare” has already this year cost the federal budget $24B due to the shutdown (they had no choice, y’know).

    Extrapolate that over ten years, and the ACA will cost the taxpayers an extra $40 billion.

    Why didn’t the Congressional Budget Office factor that into their figures, huh?

  20. vmanis1 says

    @Pierce Butler: Yes, and if you include the total costs of 9/11 and Katrina, not to mention the costs of Reconstruction after the Civil War, you can see that the ACA will cost hundreds of megazillions of dollars.

    Or did I miss a <snark> tag?

  21. Pierce R. Butler says

    vmanis1 @ # 22 – I had not previously realized that 9/11, Katrina, and Reconstruction were also caused by Obamacare.

    Thanks for opening my eyes to the full extent of the crisis. Now I gotta go read up on Pearl Harbor, the Black Death (damn, the link was obvious all along!), and the designated hitter rule…

  22. D. C. Sessions says

    Thanks for opening my eyes to the full extent of the crisis. Now I gotta go read up on Pearl Harbor, the Black Death (damn, the link was obvious all along!), and the designated hitter Hitler rule…

    FTFY

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