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Oct 15 2013

Thank You, Pastor Donn Chapman

In Pennsylvania the legislature is considering a bill that would “protect the academic freedom” to question evolution, the latest strategy by the creationists to get religion into science classrooms. But as always, they just can’t keep the supporters of such legislation from spilling the beans:

Donn Chapman turns to Nazi Germany as he passionately declares that freedom in America has been “suppressed” because evolution is taught in public schools, and “anyone who even suggests discussion is exterminated … academically.”

The pastor of Cornerstone Ministries in Murraysville, Pa., last spring hosted a six-part series, Origins, in which he portrayed the teaching of evolution as a triumph of secularists and “neo-Darwinists” who want “to drive God from the marketplace and … keep us from being able to give God the glory for what he’s done.”

“We are the spiritual children of the founders of this nation,” Chapman said. “This has been stolen from us. We need to take it back and give it back to God.”

The debate over teaching evolution versus creationism is not about science, Chapman said, but about a clash of worldviews.

At stake is “them (secularists) getting our kids and saying, ‘You feed them, you take them to church on Sunday, but if they’re going to be intelligent, if they are going to get into a good school, they are going to learn to think like us. Heil, Hitler.’ That’s what it’s about.”

Chapman is a promoter of a bill introduced in the Pennsylvania legislature that supporters say will protect “academic freedom” in K-12 public school science classrooms.

Thank you so much, Pastor Chapman, for making clear that the purpose of the bill is to get God back into schools. We all knew that, of course, but it’s always nice when you make it so clear for everyone, including judges, to see the real intent behind the carefully chosen words.

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  1. 1
    DaveL

    ‘You feed them, you take them to church on Sunday, but if they’re going to be intelligent, if they are going to get into a good school, they are going to learn to think like us.

    Yes, receiving a sound education means children need to learn about certain mainstream ideas that are well demonstrated by evidence. I assume Chapman has no problem with this concept when it comes to teaching children about the sum of a triangle’s interior angles, or about disease-causing micro-organisms. He’s just steamed that he doesn’t get to pick and choose.

  2. 2
    petemoulton

    Actually, I think he’s steamed because he sees the day when that easy meal ticket of his goes away.

  3. 3
    Modusoperandi

    DaveL “I assume Chapman has no problem with this concept when it comes to teaching children about the sum of a triangle’s interior angles, or about disease-causing micro-organisms.”
    Well, obviously. Neither of those things make Man not the center of Creation. Duh.

  4. 4
    raven

    At stake is “them (secularists) getting our kids and saying, ‘You feed them, you take them to church on Sunday, but if they’re going to be intelligent, if they are going to get into a good school, they are going to learn to think like us.

    He is saying his ignorance and idiocy is equal to education, knowledge, and intelligence.

    It’s not.

    1. If they really hate and fear education and knowledge so much, there are two simple solutions already available. Homeschool them to make sure they don’t know more than their parents or;

    send them to a private xian school in the church basement and don’t teach them anything. Both are done often.

    Fundies set their kids up to fail Then the kids fail. No surprise.

  5. 5
    raven

    The debate over teaching evolution versus creationism is not about science, Chapman said, but about a clash of worldviews.

    Oh Cthulhu, this again. This guy is a total nonthinker.

    There aren’t two worldviews. It isn’t fundie superstition versus science.

    There are thousands, millions, or billions of worldviews depending on where you draw the lines. You could say that each person has their own individual worldview and it wouldn’t be wrong.

    He is also equating science with atheism. They aren’t even remotely the same.

    IIRC, Cornerstone Ministries is Hagee’s outfit.

  6. 6
    d.c.wilson

    “We are the spiritual children of the founders of this nation,” Chapman said. “This has been stolen from us. We need to take it back and give it back to God.”

    A side note, but I notice another cherished myth is in play here: That the founders were fundamentalist Christians just like they are. Barton has done his job well.

  7. 7
    trucreep

    Seig Heil! Natural selection…thine most satanic of all processes….deliver us unto evil! Hahahahahaha!!!!

  8. 8
    Pierce R. Butler

    raven @ # 5 – There are probably hundreds of Cornerstone Ministries scattered across the US.

  9. 9
    zero6ix

    At stake is “them (secularists) getting our kids and saying, ‘You feed them, you take them to church on Sunday, but if they’re going to be intelligent, if they are going to get into a good school, they are going to learn to think like us. Heil, Hitler.’ That’s what it’s about.”

    As opposed to, what? Everyone thinking like Chapman? So, to stop the nazis, we must become nazis! What kind of deep cover action movie does this guy think he’s living in?

  10. 10
    raven

    “We are the spiritual children of the founders of this nation,” Chapman said.

    No you aren’t. Fundie-ism wasn’t even invented until a century or so after the founding. Some of the early presidents were Unitarians.

    “This has been stolen from us.

    No it hasn’t. You never had it in the first place.

    We need to take it back and give it back to God.”

    Why? Isn’t your god powerful enough to just take the USA if he wants it? According to xian mythology, the last time he was mildly annoyed with us, he covered the earth with miles of water and killed everyone but 8 people.

    Chapman’s god is either sick, dead, sleeping, or bored with us and spending his time with the giant squids on Kpax IV.

    And Chapman is just a liar making a lot of stuff up.

  11. 11
    Chiroptera

    But as always, they just can’t keep the supporters of such legislation from spilling the beans….

    Man, it’s almost as if they have some sort of compulsive disorder and they can’t help themselves.

  12. 12
    raven

    Donn Chapman sounds a bit hysterical here.

    1. It’s no secret US xianity is dying. Among the young especially. Retention rates in the SBC of young people is 30% and they’ve lost members for 6 years in a row.

    2. It’s even getting harder to get the numbers. The National Council of Churches used to put out a yearly survey of their numbers, for 80 years. It didn’t come out this year. No idea why but the NCC might be all but dead itself.

    3. The Tea Party/GOP has its hands around the throat of the USA and our economy and they are squeezing hard. Attempted murder by strangulation is proving to be not all that popular among US citizens. And the fundies are the christo’s in the christofascists which is largely synonymous with the Tea Party.

    This probably won’t do the christofascists much good.
    If they really manage to do serious damage to the USA, it probably will do the christofascists even more harm, self inflicted on themselves.

    If this is correct, rather than ranting and raving about how science and education are killing US xianity, Donn Chapman might want to look at the real danger to the religion. All he has to do is…look in a mirror.

  13. 13
    anachronistes

    Raven, Pierce : AFAIK, not affiliated with Hagee’s Cornerstone. This place is 7 or 8 miles from where I live (fun fact: most of the time the area’s spelled “Murrysville”), big place – not quite mega-sized, out in a rural area east of Pittsburgh.
    We also have another Cornerstone, separate entity I think, south of us, which is Cornerstone TV – a Christian channel.
    ChrisL

  14. 14
    catbutler

    Pennsylvania just gets more embarrassing. I think I need to revive my plan for Philadelphia to secede.
    Ugh.

  15. 15
    Abby Normal

    This whole evolution thing is a distraction from the truly important battle. In science classrooms across the country children are being thought that there exist dozens of elements. This is contrary to the traditional religious view that there are five elements, Earth, Water, Fire, Air and Spirit. It’s not the place of government to infringe on my religious freedom to raise my kids with a world view that’s been held by most of humanity through most of history.

  16. 16
    felidae

    I demand equal time for Lysenkoism!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

  17. 17
    jnorris

    Let’s consider this for a moment:

    The pastor of Cornerstone Ministries in Murraysville, Pa., last spring hosted a six-part series, Origins, in which he portrayed the teaching of evolution as a triumph of secularists and “neo-Darwinists” who want “to drive God from the marketplace and … keep us from being able to give God the glory for what he’s done.”

    Pastor Chapman held his conference in the spring, either just before or after April 15, tax day. He was in his 100% tax-free church crying about The Notorious Unnameable Them preventing Pastor Chapman’s Persecuted Us from giving a god its due glory.

    There hasn’t been an irony meter fail of this magnitude in Pennsylvania since Three Mile Island.

    We should also remember to tell Pastor Chapman two things. First, present his science that debunks evolution and win a shine medal from Sweden and a bunch of money, tax free money. Second, no one at any public school is forcing the little Christian darlings to believe in evolution. All the kids are asked to do is understand it (something the pastor does not do) so they can pass the end-of-grade exam and graduate high school. The kids are still free to believe any and all hokum they want.

  18. 18
    greg1466

    …he portrayed the teaching of evolution as a triumph of secularists and “neo-Darwinists” who want “to drive God from the marketplace and … keep us from being able to give God the glory for what he’s done

    Here’s a thought Pastor Chapman. We can talk about giving God credit for what he’s done in science classes, right after you actually demonstrate what exactly it is that he has done.

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    timgueguen

    It would be interesting to see how the US Founding Fathers would react to the Pre-Tribulation Rapture theology that dominates contemporary right wing US Christianity. And the reaction of the believers in the idea when some of the FFs told them it was bizarre and ridiculous.

  20. 20
    exdrone

    Chapman is a promoter of a bill … that supporters say will protect “academic freedom” in K-12 public school science classrooms

    Well, that sounds important. I know that there are a lot of kindergarten students who desperately want to have unfettered discussions about alternative scientific theories for evolution. I hear it from them at recess in the coffee room and out in the smoking area.

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