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Oct 14 2013

Staver: DOMA Ruling Contrary to ‘Natural Created Order of God Almighty’

Mat Staver spoke to a group of Virginia pastors recently and went on a rant about the Supreme Court’s DOMA decision, using words that I find highly interesting and ironic. That ruling was wrong, he said, because it conflicted with “natural law, biblical law or common sense; it is contrary to the natural created order of God almighty.” Hmmm. Where have I heard similar words before? Oh, yeah.

“Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, Malay, and red, and placed them on separate continents, and but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend the races to mix.”

That was from the district court judge in Loving v Virginia, which overturned state laws against interracial marriage (a ruling that the man who hired Staver, Jerry Falwell, railed against in nearly identical language). The confederate state secession documents also used very similar language, that freeing the slaves was a violation of “natural law” and the “created order of God almighty.” And again when it came to giving women the right to vote. And ending desegregation. Noticing a pattern? Every important advance in civil rights in the nation’s history was argued against because it violated the wishes of “God almighty.”

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  1. 1
    eric

    it conflicted with “natural law, biblical law or common sense; it is contrary to the natural created order of God almighty.”

    Too bad it doesn’t conflict with the Constitution of the United States – if it did, you might actually have a relevant point.

  2. 2
    Michael Heath

    Pat Buchanan used the classic YEC word, “kind” in his most recent column promoting countries developing ethnic/religious hegemonies. Cite: http://buchanan.org/blog/red-state-america-seceding-5934. I read it this morning in my daily newspaper.

  3. 3
    Chiroptera

    Because “natural law” forbids the federal government recognizing a legal relationship that a state has permitted? Natural law is weird.

  4. 4
    raven

    It’s fundiespeak.

    Natural law is whatever the voices in people’s heads say it is. There are million of voices. They all say different things.

    Mat Staver is an abomination against natural law and the goddess. Or the goddess Athena anyway, the goddess of wisdom and intelligence.

  5. 5
    laurentweppe

    There’s an easy way to see whether a given rule is part of the “natural order”: If you need armed thugs to enforce it, then it’s not natural.

  6. 6
    tubi

    Every important advance in civil rights in the nation’s history was argued against because it violated the wishes of “God almighty.”

    Given that all of these advances have been achieved and ultimately accepted by most people, despite His wishes, it appears that God Almighty is made of pretty weak sauce.

  7. 7
    Bronze Dog

    Fundies are really fond of the naturalistic fallacy, aren’t they? Of course, barbarism is natural, oh wait, they are advocating barbarism.

  8. 8
    greg1466

    Every important advance in civil rights in the nation’s history was argued against because it violated the wishes of “God almighty.”

    Right up to the point that they realize they are going to lose. At which point the advance was their idea in the first place.

  9. 9
    exdrone

    It sounds like “natural law” has all the authenticity as “natural health”.

  10. 10
    Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden

    I love you, Ed Brayton, if for nothing else, than for quoting the most infamous pair of sentences ever penned in a decision by a trial court judge.

    There probably are many statements more directly harmful to an individual party – I’m thinking of cases where death sentences were imposed despite police/prosecutorial misconduct where the statements justify the imposition of the death sentence anyway – but the perniciousness of racism in US history and the naked assertion of God = racism after so many had thought that ship had sailed makes this one memorable. The moment I took in “Almighty…” that pair of sentences flashed through my head before my eye could trace the words on my screen.

    Someday God = Kill the fags will be as anathema to as many USians as Leon Bazile’s argument is today.

    may that time be short in coming.

  11. 11
    zero6ix

    It is little more than the final argument from a losing side. A final hail mary (wakka wakka) in the vain hopes that this last statement will make everyone stop in their tracks and go “Huh…well, every other argument has failed miserably, but this one, I don’t know, it just cuts to the core of me.”

    Of course, that never happens.

  12. 12
    grumpyoldfart

    Hundreds of millions of Christians agree with every word he said – hundreds of millions!

  13. 13
    Ichthyic

    Pat Buchanan used the classic YEC word, “kind”

    Pat fancies himself a baraminologist now?

    lol.

  14. 14
    Ichthyic

    It sounds like “natural law” has all the authenticity as “natural health”.

    there ARE rather highly placed folks trying to give the idea credibility.

    example:

    Francis Collins, now head of NIH, devoted almost half of his book to arguing in favor of a variant of this idea.

  15. 15
    Ichthyic

    it appears that God Almighty is made of pretty weak sauce.

    one might go so far as to say, homeopathic strength sauce.

  16. 16
    The Beautiful Void

    I rather like the mental image of God Almighty sitting up there crying and hugging his knees, because his toys won’t do what he tells them to.

    Dude, you’re a deity. If people go against your wishes, don’t just be upset, use lightning. Zeus knew what the score was. As long as you keep letting people get away unsmote, they’re going to keep transgressing against your desires.

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