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Sep 26 2013

Lively: Russian Law One of My ‘Proudest Achievements’

Deranged bigot Scott Lively has been making the rounds of the wingnut radio talk shows lately and the latest is Bryan Fischer. He told Fischer that Russia’s authoritarian law banning all advocacy of equality for gay people “one of the proudest achievements of my career.”

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  1. 1
    colnago80

    And his hero is Vladimir Putin, the former KGB apparatchik.

  2. 2
    cswella

    I thought these guys loved the First Amendment, or are they going to bring Russia’s government style over here too?

  3. 3
    Synfandel

    From Wikipedia under LGBT rights in Russia:

    In June 2013 the national parliament (the State Duma) unanimously adopted, and President Vladimir Putin signed, a nationwide law banning distribution of “propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations” among minors. The law does not explicitly mention the word “homosexuality”, but instead uses the euphemism “non-traditional sexual relations”. Under the statute it is effectively illegal to hold any gay pride events, speak in defense of gay rights, or say that gay relationships are equal to heterosexual relationships.

    The law subjects Russian citizens found guilty to fines of up to 5,000 rubles and public officials to fines of up to 50,000 rubles. Organizations or businesses will be fined up to 1 million rubles and be forced to cease operations for up to 90 days. Foreigners may be arrested and detained for up to 15 days then deported, as well as fined up to 100,000 rubles. Russian citizens who have used the Internet or media to promote “non-traditional relations” will be fined up to 100,000 rubles.

    The statute amended a law that is said to protect children from pornography and other “harmful information”.

    As I would rather see it:

    In June 2017 the US Congress unanimously adopted, and President Hillary Clinton signed, a nationwide law banning distribution of “propaganda of non-rational belief in deities” among minors. The law does not explicitly mention the word “God”, but instead uses the euphemism “non-rational belief in deities”. Under the statute it is effectively illegal to hold any religion-promoting events, speak in defense of religion, or say that religious ideas are equal to rational ideas.

    The law subjects American citizens found guilty to fines of up to 5,000 dollar and public officials to fines of up to 50,000 dollars. Organizations or businesses will be fined up to 1 million dollars and be forced to cease operations for up to 90 days. Foreigners may be arrested and detained for up to 15 days then deported, as well as fined up to 100,000 dollars. American citizens who have used the Internet or media to promote “non-rational beliefs” will be fined up to 100,000 dollars.

    The statute amended a law that is said to protect children from religious indoctrination and other “harmful information”.

  4. 4
    naturalcynic

    Synfandel, your Hillary Clinton scenario is not very likely since Hillary is well-established in theistic territory. When she was FLOTUS and Senator, she was frequently connected with the C Street House Fellowship [Ensign, Mark Sanford, Sam Brownback et al]. Her more recent views have differed from them on gay rights issues, but I seriously doubt that she has discarded supernatural beliefs.

  5. 5
    John Pieret

    I thought these guys loved the First Amendment,

    They do when it protects them. Not so much when it protects the people they hate, such as gays and Muslims.

    or are they going to bring Russia’s government style over here too?

    If we give them half a chance, they will.

  6. 6
    Synfandel

    naturalcynic, how’s this?

    In June 2017 the US Congress unanimously adopted, and President Ed Brayton signed, a nationwide law banning distribution of “propaganda of non-rational belief in deities” among minors.

  7. 7
    matty1

    @6 That may conflict with President Brayton’s support for making frozen peaches.

  8. 8
    corkscrew

    Synfandel, a version more in keeping with Ed’s apparent views would be:

    In June 2017 the US Congress unanimously adopted, and President Ed Brayton signed, a nationwide law banning distribution by government officials of “propaganda of non-rational belief in deities” among minors.

    That would be a bit redundant, though, as it would basically be restating the Effect prong of the Lemon Test. And obviously it wouldn’t match the Russian situation.

  9. 9
    David C Brayton

    I actually felt queasy when I first heard Lively talk about that. No exaggeration.

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    voidhawk

    It’s ilke living in a weird topsy-turvy Cold War where the American Right admire Russia and Liberals are fiercely clinging to American values. Weird how the modern ‘Red Scare’ looks compared to the original…

  12. 12
    culuriel

    This is what right-wingers want: gays back in the closet, living dishonest lives and secretely miserable. They deliberately want no tolerance, no acceptance, of LGBT kids. They want LGBT kids to have nowhere to go except into a closet made by their parents and enforced by their church.

  13. 13
    Baktru

    Yup. It’s called a confession booth.

  14. 14
    freehand

    I was hoping when I got old to be arguing economic policies with my more rational conservative neighbors. Instead, I find them fiercely attacking science and education, accusing the FBI and CIA of being liberal organizations, defending Russian policies and openly admiring them, and fomenting hatred for the government and law and order. There are numerous real world (not social) problems that are putting a time constraint on how long we have to fix this, and I am frankly not optimistic.

    On topic, I wonder if Lively actually believes that he influenced Russian law on this?

  15. 15
    slavdude

    CaitieCat @10:

    Совершенно точно.

  16. 16
    paulg

    I have a question after reading comment #3: If a politician introduced a bill to overturn the law, could they be arrested and fined? It’s an interesting inclusion.

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