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Sep 24 2013

Russia Looking Like Christian Right Paradise

Russia is looking more and more like a paradise for the Christian right. In addition to the law banning advocacy of gay rights and the new blasphemy law, they also have no sex education at all in schools. No wonder Scott Lively says that Russia has become a key defender of Christian views.

Forget condoms, contraceptive pills and chlamydia, and turn instead to Chekhov, Tolstoy and Gogol. That is the message from Russia’s children’s ombudsman, Pavel Astakhov, who has opposed the introduction of sex education to schools and says young Russians can learn everything they need to know about love and sex from Russian literature.

“I am against any kind of sex education among children,” said Astakhov in a television interview. “It is unacceptable to allow things that could corrupt children.”

Despite having one of the world’s fastest-growing HIV epidemics, Russia has no sex education in schools, owing to the influence of the Russian Orthodox church and conservative social forces.

Astakhov, a powerful official who reports directly to the president, Vladimir Putin, now wants legislation to ensure sex education does not sneak on to the curriculum. Instead, he suggests reading the classics.

“The best sex education that exists is Russian literature,” said Astakhov. “In fact, literature in general. Everything is there, about love and about relationships between sexes. Schools should raise children chastely and with an understanding of family values.”

Scott Lively recently said:

“Russia could become a model pro-family society. If this were to occur, I believe people from the West would begin to emigrate to Russia in the same way that Russians used to emigrate to the United States and Europe.”

So what’s the hold up? Go already.

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  1. 1
    Gregory in Seattle

    On the upside of all this, it looks like the US has some competition for being one of the most backward industrialized nations on the planet.

  2. 2
    d.c.wilson

    But America is Gawd’s chosen people! How can they abandon his country to go live with the godless commies?

  3. 3
    Abby Normal

    The increased pregnancy rate may be viewed as a feature, not a bug. After all, this is the country that has a holiday dedicated to multiplying. Though, given their free speech restrictions, whether or not you’re still allowed to use the term “fruitful” is still an open question.

  4. 4
    raven

    So why don’t they go live there? God’s new chosen country with a Covenant and everything?

    Fundies never walk their talk. Hypocrisy is one of their three main sacraments.

  5. 5
    reddiaperbaby1942

    Pavel Astakhov is notorious here in Finland (where I live). He has spoken very harshly about the treatment of the children of Russian-Finnish families in cases of separation or divorce, for instance when the Russian parent has wanted to take the child to Russia. There have been cases where the child has been ‘kidnapped’ by one of the parents and taken to the other country, and the political battles over such cases have been intense.
    Finland is of course a western democrary, and one of the most advanced in terms of social. legislation; when the child welfare authorities have considered a child to be at risk of abuse, they have stepped in. In such cases, Astakhov has viciously attacked the authorities and indeed the Finnish government, as being anti-Russian or actually “russophobic”.
    None of this is of course in the best interest of the child.

  6. 6
    leftwingfox

    David Neiwert on the rise of explicitly fascist politics in russia on the backs of gay rights:

    http://dneiwert.blogspot.ca/2013/09/russias-gay-bashing-politics-look-like.html

  7. 7
    Trebuchet

    So the Christian right loves them some Edward Snowden now, right?

  8. 8
    raven

    The increased pregnancy rate may be viewed as a feature, not a bug.

    Could be.

    Russia has a fertility rate below replacement like a lot of European countries. There have been frequent calls for the walking baby factories to get busy and crank it up before the pale people get swamped by those others.

    Total Fertility Rate is 1.7 while replacement is 2.1.

  9. 9
    saukko

    Will we see migration of U.S. right wingers to Russia? Probably not, even thought amusing idea.
    As someone who lives next to Russia, I’m seeing situation getting worse, democracy, human rights, free press are oppressed, bad old Soviet Union is coming back, without communism this time.

  10. 10
    John Pieret

    So what’s the hold up? Go already.

    One slight problem is that the Russian Orthodox church and its buddies in the government like Evangelical Protestants only marginally better than they like gays. Lively and his right wing cohort would find it very uncomfortable in Russia, especially if large numbers of them tried to immigrate.

  11. 11
    Modusoperandi

    John Pieret “One slight problem…”
    Two slight problems. As great and good and holy as they pretend Russia’s backward stances are, it’s not ‘Merka. There’s no way that they’re leaving.

    saukko “As someone who lives next to Russia…”
    Governor Palin?

  12. 12
    Chiroptera

    saukko, #9: As someone who lives next to Russia, I’m seeing situation getting worse, democracy, human rights, free press are oppressed, bad old Soviet Union is coming back, without communism this time.

    So you’re agreeing with Ed that Russia is becoming a paradise to US right wingers?

  13. 13
    shockna

    As someone who lives next to Russia, I’m seeing situation getting worse, democracy, human rights, free press are oppressed, bad old Soviet Union is coming back, without communism this time.

    So it’s back to Tsarist Russia, then?

  14. 14
    NitricAcid

    American fundies are going to move somewhere where they don’t speak English? Not a chance. They don’t even have real bibles there- just Russian translations of the original English.

  15. 15
    matty1

    So it’s back to Tsarist Russia, then?

    I’m honestly not sure at this stage what is keeping Putin from declaring himself Tsar given it is the obvious end point of his mix of authoritarian politics and fetishising the Orthodox church. Maybe he wants to have an heir lined up first.

  16. 16
    freehand

    Nitric Acid,

    I once spent time with a Fundamentalist who remarked that “The King James Version is the only inspired version of the bible”. I suggested that the original Hebrew, and Greek must have been, if the (properly) translated bible was. He was very suspicious, but eventually agreed. It was the only thing I have ever convinced any Fundie of, using logic, ever.

  17. 17
    congenital cynic

    I, for one, would cheer a new exodus. Please, Christians, move to Russia. Leave soon. You’ll love it there.

  18. 18
    naturalcynic

    There might be a problem with the traditional method of birth control in Russia – abortion. Up until about 10 years ago, there were close to 2 abortions to every live firth. With more modern methods of birth control and more modern restrictions,[12 weeks, except for rape and medical necessity] the abortion rate has gone down substantially. The actual abortion rate is a state secret. So fun=dies will have to work on that.

  19. 19
    timgueguen

    Yeah, the fundie migration would last about 3 weeks before they came running back to the US, upset that the Russians insisted on such horrors as people speaking Russian and serving weird foreign foods like borscht.

  20. 20
    exdrone

    Lively claims that he is not gay, but he seems to taken by the Russian Bear.

  21. 21
    danrobinson

    Maybe we should tap “Lively” as a euphemistic term for homosexuality.

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