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Robertson: San Antonio to Throw Christians in Prison!

San Antonio, Texas recently passed an ordinance prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity and expression and the wingnuts have been losing their minds over it. The 700 Club did a report on it with Pat Robertson claiming that the law will throw Christians in jail if they say anything bad about gay people. Which is a lie.

All nonsense. All the other major cities in Texas have similar ordinances, most of them for a decade now. 180 cities and 21 states have those same laws. Not one Christian has yet been thrown in jail for “speaking out” about their “deeply held religious beliefs.” But being a wingnut means that one’s paranoid predictions of impending dystopia always turn out to be wrong and never prevent them from just moving on to the next round of false predictions.

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  1. says

    But imagine how awful it must be for them. It’s their very own horror sub-genre; one made entirely of the points leading up to (but not including) jump scares.

    That’s some Twilight Zone level stuff right there.*

    * Episode E016, ‘The Walking Dread’ (1963).

  2. busterggi says

    If you trust the statistics pretty much everyone in prison was a Christian of some sort before they were imprisoned be it for murder, rape, etc. Not one charged with being a Chrisitian. Kind of makes you wonder why all those Chrisitan missionairies to prisons are needed until you realize they’re all competing subcults.

  3. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    @ ^ busterggi : “If you trust the statistics pretty much everyone in prison was a Christian of some sort before they were imprisoned .. “

    Emphasis added.

    Don’t you mean *after* they were imprisoned.

    Y’know the “found Gawd, all good now” defence?

  4. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    Although, come to think of it, doesn’t much of the rise in conversions to Islam come from jailed prisoners or so I vaguely gather from somewhere?

  5. hunter says

    Not one Christian has yet been thrown in jail for “speaking out” about their “deeply held religious beliefs.”

    There hasn’t been enough time yet. That was Tony Perkins’ response when someone asked about the predicted disaster to the military on the repeal of DADT. Apparently, it takes a while — an unspecified while — for all these dire events to happen. But just wait. And wait. And wait.

  6. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    Or such is the perhaps stereotypical impression I get from the zeitgeist.

  7. Ichthyic says

    Don’t you mean *after* they were imprisoned.

    no.

    not very long ago, 90% of Americans self-defined as some kind of Christian or another.

    exposure to christian ideology growing up in the US is near inescapable.

    It’s common in prison to be “born again”, but that’s just it… it’s the “again” part. Doesn’t mean they didn’t identify as Christian before.

  8. John Pieret says

    Some of the comments from the video:

    “… the right for us to speak out … ok, I disagree, it doesn’t sound right … now we’re labeled a hater, a bigot …”

    No, the law says you can’t discriminate against LGBT people in government or a business engaged in public accommodation. What’s outlawed is not what you say, but what you do. However, since you still have the right to speak out, other people have the same right to point out that you are a hater and a bigot. That’s how this free speech thingie works.

    “… they want special rights … but in doing so they stiffle the rights of Christians …”

    I guess that wanting the same rights as Christians is calling for “special rights” because Christians have special rights, including the right to discriminate aganst anyone they don’t like.

    ” … the ordinance will not allow us to express our Christian faith …”

    A faith which, of course, commands them to express it by discriminating against others.

    Do these people listen to themselves?

  9. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return! says

    @8. Ichthyic : Okay.

    Although it does seem, I gather, that prison does tend to make them find religion and stick to it much or espouse it much more than they would have otherwise right?

  10. exdrone says

    claiming that the law will throw Christians in jail if they say anything bad about gay people.

    Pat should realize that the conservative-influenced justice system is far more discriminating than that. Why, that would be like putting someone in jail on a narcotics offence just for possessing marijuana.

  11. John Pieret says

    One has to wonder why this ordinance has invoked Fundie panic now. Austin, Dallas, El Paso, Fort Worth and Houston all have LGBT-inclusive nondiscrimination ordinances.

    Oh, wait a minute … the Supreme Court and and recent referendums/legislative action in several states have woken them up to the fact that they have lost this battle already. So now is the time to run in circles, scream and shout.

    Oh, BTW, one reason that no one had been jailed because of these statutes is that they are not criminal statutes … they carry only civil penalties, not criminal ones.

  12. magistramarla says

    San Antonio has been plagued with some big problems lately, many of them stemming from the mistreatment of women and the LGBT community. There have been a lot of scandals about the rapes of trainees on the AF base. The AF seems to be trying to deal with the issue and has a new commander who seems to be determined to do something about it.
    The NDO vote has brought the bigots out in full force. One council member was caught saying some very homophobic things, and I’ve been appalled at some of the things that her supporters have said. I’m very thankful that it finally passed. AG Abbott threatened to sue the city over it, but then backed down. I think that someone must have pointed out those ordinances in the other major cities. He’s trying to impress his base, since he’s running for governor. (He might even be worse than Perry!)
    The cons here also hate our charismatic young Hispanic Democrat mayor, Julian Castro. Like the way they treat President Obama, any thing he is for, they are against. He’s trying to get an electric cable car system in downtown, since light rail was voted down. I think that he’s trying to position the city to go green and to thrive when the fossil fuel boom inevitably goes bust. There is a big howl coming from the right about it.
    To rub their noses in the changes going on in the military community, I wrote the following OP in our local paper’s comments. The usual suspects were not amused.
    “I attended the Air Force Birthday Ball last night. The parting comments of the general who is the commander of Lackland cheered me. He said (and I paraphrase) that while we were there to honor the glorious past of the AF, we were also looking forward to its future. He said that it is important that we make the AF a safe and welcoming place to work for women and for people of all sexual orientations in the future. He said that ALL who are called to serve should be able to serve with honor.
    I was so thrilled, I barely kept from standing up and applauding those words! We lived in military housing in CA, and I was hoping to see the day when my neighbors might be a gay couple with their children and to see the day that as a board member of the Spouses’ Club, I would be able to welcome the first gay spouse to our group. Sadly, I had to return to Texas before that could happen. The general’s words last night gave me hope that even here in Texas, things are changing.
    I’ve been associated with Spouses’ Clubs long enough that I saw the hand-wringing when we had to change from being “the Wives’ Club” to being the “Spouses’ Club” in order to accept male spouses. None of the dire predictions at the time came about, and I’ve served on Spouses’ Club boards with a couple of very interesting and amiable male spouses. I’m sure that the same will happen with same-sex spouses in the near future.
    I’m so very happy to see change happening!”

  13. gshelley says

    It’s easy to dismiss these concerns, but they have almost 50 years of precedence since the civil right act, so they know for a fact the effect such laws have and how many people have been thrown in prison for making racist remark based on deeply held religious beliefs.

  14. says

    At least 70 Christians were MURDERED by a bomb-attack in Pakistan, and there’ve been other instances like this all over the Muslim world — and policies like San Antonio’s are all Al-Qaeda Pat wants to complain about? What a fucking joke. If I was a racical Islamist, I’d be laughing my ass off at the pathetic stupidity and cowardice of my enemies’ “leaders.”

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