Kilstein, Fugelsang Debate the Existence of God


Kamau Bell, host of Totally Biased on FXX, brought comedians Jamie Kilstein and John Fugelsang on the show to debate the existence of God. The results are pretty funny. I was surprised to find out that Jamie was not an atheist until after he met Alison. Best exchange:

Fugelsang: If Jesus came back today, you wouldn’t be able to hear him talk over Christians calling him a socialist. He was a peaceful, radical, non-violent revolutionary, hung out with lepers, hookers and crooks, never spoke English, wasn’t an American citizen, anti-wealth, ant-death penalty, anti-public prayer… never anti-gay, never anti-abortion, never anti-premarital sex, long-haired, brown-skinned — that’s in Revelation, Kirk Cameron — brown-skinned, homeless, Middle Eastern Jew.

Kilstein: If that guy was real, I would totally hang out with him.

Here’s the video:

Comments

  1. grumpyoldfart says

    If Jesus came back today, you wouldn’t be able to hear him talk over Christians calling him a socialist.

    If Jesus comes back to earth and the Catholics get hold of him first, they’ll raffle him.

  2. cottonnero says

    “Wait, why did we eat him?”

    “Well, what do you think we’ve been practicing all these years for, anyway?”

  3. unbound says

    If Jesus came back today, the only thing all the christian sects would agree on is that they’d all be denouncing him as a false prophet.

  4. Akira MacKenzie says

    How are we suppose to know if Jesus (assuming he existed at all) was “…never anti-gay, never anti-abortion, never anti-premarital sex…?” The gospels may have never addressed these matters, but we all know that they are probably as accurate a depiction of the man’s life as stories about Paul Bunyun and Pecos Bill. I find it incredibly unlikely that a ancient ascetic Jewish zealot would embrace such beliefs.

    I think Fugelsang is committing the same error the Christian Right: using divine authority to legitimize his political and moral beliefs.

  5. exdrone says

    Kilstein’s wife took him by the hand and showed him the sign that explains how Niagara Falls was made in order to illustrate why the majesty of the Falls does not necessitate belief in god. Equally, she could have spun him around and pointed out all the garrishness and commericalism of the city. I know that, when I drive past all the souvenir shops, casinos and wax museums, I see no divine purpose in life.

  6. matty1 says

  7. Akira MacKenzie says

    matty1 @ 9

    If memory serves, isn’t separation from friends and family and relying upon your new faith and its leader for love and acceptance one of the primary indicators of a cult?

  8. Michael Heath says

    John Fuglesang:

    If Jesus came back today, you wouldn’t be able to hear him talk over Christians calling him a socialist. He was a peaceful, radical, non-violent revolutionary, hung out with lepers, hookers and crooks, never spoke English, wasn’t an American citizen, anti-wealth, ant-death penalty, anti-public prayer… never anti-gay, never anti-abortion, never anti-premarital sex, long-haired, brown-skinned . . .[emphasized by Heath]

    Ignorance coupled to idiocy is never attractive.

  9. corkscrew says

    @Matty1: That passage is usually interpreted to mean that Jesus planned to be a fully-paid-up member of the awkward squad. This intepretation fits better with e.g. Matt 26:52, so is moderately sensible. If we’re assuming a single sane Jesus, it’s fair to characterise him as pacifist.

    (Of course, that’s assuming a level of coherence in Jesus’ reported actions that probably doesn’t exist. The Gospel-writers were basically stitching together existing scraps of prose into a semi-plausible narrative, so it makes sense that there’d be a few visible seams.)

  10. Childermass says

    “never anti-premarital sex”?

    I see someone has not read very well.

    In the book of John, he said “go and sin no more” and not “carry on.” Not wanting to stone to death a person who violates a rule does not in any way indicate that one does not does not support that rule.

    Yes, I know that story was not originally in John and was added on a few centuries after that gospel was written, but for the sake of argument we are assuming that scriptures are accurately depicting what he said. I am also ignoring arguments over if he really existed.

    The gospels also explicitly stated that Jesus supported the law which is hard to reconcile with support of gay rights. And given the religious climate which Jesus lived, I have a hard time imagining a Jewish man preaching about God not being anti-homosexual. That homophobia was standard practice in Christianity until very recently (and is still practiced in many branches) is also fairly hard to deny. I find it hard to merit that pretty much everyone misread the scripture for nearly two thousand years.

  11. francesc says

    @14
    “That homophobia was standard practice in Christianity until very recently (and is still practiced in many branches) is also fairly hard to deny”
    Homphobia and homsexuality were pretty standard practice in Christianity. And hypocrisy.

  12. zmidponk says

    Could I just point out the relative absurdity of folk here, who are generally atheist, disagreeing over the correct way to interpret the Bible, when even different Christian groups, who all fervently believe the Bible is true and correct, can’t agree on that?

  13. dingojack says

    zmidponk – the wise (-ish) who are uncertain and argumentative; it’s fools who are absolutely certain, clinging desperately onto their dogma (a security blanket against the ‘demon haunted world’?)
    Dingo

  14. eric says

    never anti-premarital sex

    Bzzzt. In Matt 19 he basically says that complete celibacy is what we should all strive for. He mentions marriage as the thing to do if, like most people, you are too weak to handle the lifetime celibacy thing.

    @9 and @16: I think what corkscrew was trying to say is that the passage is normally taken as a martial metaphor for family division. Jesus is telling people to follow him and, if doing so breaks up your family bonds, break them up. No literal sword or chopping is implied…though fundies love to read that passage to mean ‘gun down the heathens’ or whatever.

  15. Doug Little says

    He is already here. He went to announce his presence to the world and said,

    “Fuckit, it’s gonna take way too much work to get everybody on the same page, you can’t fix stupid.”

    At that point he purchased a condo in Florida and is living out his retirement in peace.

  16. freehand says

    zmidponkCould I just point out the relative absurdity of folk here, who are generally atheist, disagreeing over the correct way to interpret the Bible, when even different Christian groups, who all fervently believe the Bible is true and correct, can’t agree on that?

    You can point it out, but I think characterizing it as absurd is overkill. We pretty much agree that it is self-contradictory, and may not refer to an actual person at all.

    We can argue about the meaning of Yggdrasil in Norse mythology or the existence of echoes of matriarchal religions in Greek mythology without taking it too seriously, thinking that anybody has the last word on it, or claiming that it is internally consistent.

    I recall my philosophy of religion class, in which we spent the semester reading the New Testament (in English) and, working on the assumption that it was divinely inspired, arrived at a collective conclusion. We ended up with a religion that resembled no Christian denomination that I know of.

    It can be argued that believers in established sects cannot read the bible honestly – too much emotional investment in a particular picture of that Roschach ink blot. Doesn’t mean that impartial readers will agree on its meaning, however.

  17. freehand says

    There was an underground comic published in 1970 or thereabouts called “The New, Improved, Testament”. Jesus came back on page one and was promptly run over by a car. He came back a second time on page two, and was drafted. (Being either Jewish or Christian, the draft board rejected his claims to being a pacifist). He escaped with a miracle.

    He also watched a gladiator version of his life in a movie theater, and strongly approved.

  18. TxSkeptic says

    @ #5 Modusoperandi

    And the miracle will be that there’ll be enough of Him to go around

    They’ll have to take some homeopathy lessons to make him serve the masses

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