Fox News Promotes End Times Nonsense

Leave it to Fox News to have a serious segment on a “news” show devoted to the question of whether bombing Syria would be a fulfillment of Biblical prophecies. Neil Cavuto brought on Joel Rosenberg, one of the many end times preachers pushing this B.S. and actually took him seriously.

“These are prophecies more than 2,700 years old, some of them, but they have not actually been fulfilled,” Rosenberg said. “But this prophecy, as you just pointed out, talks about the complete and utter destruction of Damascus. That’s an End Times or eschatological prophecy.”

“It’s a very sobering thought to think that a judgment of a city or a country could happen in which an entire city could be wiped out, but that is, in fact, what the Bible is predicting,” he added. “I think it’s wrong for people who teach Bible prophecies to guess — I mean, in a sense try to say for certain it’s going to happen now.”

“But you have 7 million Syrians that are already on the run, 2 million have left the country, 5 million are internally displaced. That Jeremiah 49 prophecy says that people will flee, but there will still be people in Damascus when the prophecy happens. So, the bottom line is that we don’t know if these two prophecies — Isaiah 17 and Jeremiah 49 — will happen in our lifetime or soon, but they could because they haven’t happened yet.”

“Amazing,” the Fox News host observed. “It’s in in there. It’s worth a read.”

Or you could read some actual history and find out that Damascus has been “destroyed” and overrun several times in the last 27 years and there’s absolutely no reason to believe these “prophecies” mean anything at all.

23 comments on this post.
  1. colnago80:

    Or you could read some actual history and find out that Damascus has been “destroyed” and overrun several times in the last 27 years

    I think you mean 27 centuries.

  2. colnago80:

    Rosenberg is the author of several truly awful novels on end of times themes. He is the crackpot’s crackpot, on a par with many of the clowns Brayton likes to make fun of on this blog. I started to read one of them a few years ago and gave up after about 20 pages because of the breathing inanity of it.

  3. k_machine:

    Yale has a series of lectures on the New Testament on Youtube and one of the gems that the lecturer dropped was that biblical scholars date prophecies by when they start to get things wrong. So all of the prophecies are 1) false 2) about the near future of the author of the prophecy 3) forgeries that were backdated to make it look as if the prophet had predicted things correctly. They were basically propaganda calls to arms of their day, it makes no sense for a “prophet” writing in 200 BC to write prophecies about things that would not come true for 2000 years.

  4. MikeMa:

    I’m guessing Faux News paid this clown. Motivation enough.

  5. Larry:

    So, the bottom line is that we don’t know if these two prophecies — Isaiah 17 and Jeremiah 49 — will happen in our lifetime or soon, but they could because they haven’t happened yet.

    Well, thanks for clearing that up. Something may happen in the future but we don’t know because it hasn’t happened yet. Check and mate, athiests!

  6. raven:

    I’m getting bored with End Times crackpots.

    They’ve been predicting the Apocalypse for 2,000 years now. And been wrong for 2,000 years.

    Last year, in 2012, there were 3 or 4 predictions, some with actual dates that didn’t happen. Harold Camping predicted the end times three times and was wrong three times.

    Seems like fundie xianity is also boring. They have to keep making up horror stories to keep themselves awake and going. And it is mostly the same one, world will end any minute.

  7. Gregory in Seattle:

    Oh, how I wish it were impossible to use “Fox News” and “serious” in the same sentence.

  8. Gregory in Seattle:

    @raven #6 – I’m of the theory that the Book of Revelations was a first-hand account, and that the Apocalypse already occurred, on time and under budget. For the last 2000 years, we have been living in the aftermath.

    It certainly would explain quite a bit.

  9. matty1:

    @3 That is my understanding as well, with the added titbit that at times they made errors by backdating to a period they didn’t know well enough. So the Book of Daniel is actually more accurate about events near the end of its timeline of prophecies, corresponding to when it was really written, than ones near the beginning.

  10. caseloweraz:

    Joel Rosenberg: “I think it’s wrong for people who teach Bible prophecies to guess…”

    That is extremely true — yet guess they do.

  11. caseloweraz:

    Colnago80: “Rosenberg is the author of several truly awful novels on end of times themes.

    Trying to ride on the coattails of the Left Behind series, is he?

  12. caseloweraz:

    Larry: “Something may happen in the future but we don’t know because it hasn’t happened yet.”

    True, it’s vague enough to be meaningless. OTOH, it’s better than variations on “That bad thing can never happen because it hasn’t happened yet” which I’ve often heard from AGW deniers.

  13. jnorris:

    I get all my End Times and Prophecy News from Jack Van Impe, whackjob par excellant: http://www.jvim.com/

  14. aaronbaker:

    Every time I think Fox News has reached a Marianas-Trench kind of depth below which it cannot sink–they ALWAYS manage to find an even lower level.

    My father watches it regularly and seems to get most of his worldview from it these days. Conversations with him have gotten . . . strained is a good word for it. When you point out the crazier stuff to him–he says: ” Well, I don’t watch that show.” So it seems to be Bill O’Reilly and the “news” segments. I try at times to convince him that they’re not really much better than Hannity, or Glenn Beck when he was on the show–but I get nowhere. In fact those parts of Fox may be worse, as there’s more of a pretense of being real journalists there.

  15. dogmeat:

    I’m of the theory that the Book of Revelations was a first-hand account, and that the Apocalypse already occurred, on time and under budget. For the last 2000 years, we have been living in the aftermath.

    It certainly would explain quite a bit.

    I’m not sure you could argue things were substantially better or worse prior to or after this hypothetical apocalypse. There were good and bad things happening in pretty much the same frequency throughout recorded history. The 20th century stands out due to sheer bloody efficiency, but the actual horrors are still present in other centuries.

  16. colnago80:

    Re dogmeat @ #15

    Actually, the 30 Years War, in terms of the percentage of the population that was killed or died of disease/starvation was greater then the percentage killed in the two World Wars. One shudders to think what might have happened if Adolphus, Tilly, and von Wallenstein had had 20th century weapons available.

  17. Modusoperandi:

    Eschatology is the best gig. You can be wrong all the time and still be an expert. It’s like being a pundit.

    dogmeat “I’m not sure you could argue things were substantially better or worse prior to or after this hypothetical apocalypse. There were good and bad things happening in pretty much the same frequency throughout recorded history.”
    Just as prophesied in Scripture!

  18. exdrone:

    God must be pissed at Kerry. After 2,700 years, everything was finally falling into place to end this era. Just one more bombing. And then Kerry spoke off the cuff at a press conference. “What did he just say? No, no, no, no, no. Ah shit.”

  19. umlud:

    What I find so puzzling is that these people have to base their assumptions upon the unshakable faith that their interpretation of their religion is actually correct. And when you ask a fervent believer why THEY are correct and all the others are wrong, they all answer axiomatically with an explanation that boils down to, “I am correct because my faith tells me that I am correct.”

    But there are SO MANY prophecies that have not (yet) come true. And many of those prophecies have to do with “end times.” I mean, take Ragnarok (which is one of the more well-known non-Christian end-time prophecies). The end of the world comes about with the death of a bunch of the gods and the flooding of the world. Hmm… Looks like you can point to rising sea levels and increased general secularism across Scandinavia to say, “Hey, that looks like the start of Ragnarok!”

    But people understand that Ragnarok is not valid, primarily because they don’t believe in the religion that espouses it. To everyone who doesn’t worship the Norse pantheon, Ragnarok is hokum. In fact, its as much a bunch of hokum to atheists as it is to Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Jains, Sikhs, and to Joel Rosenberg and the viewers of FoxNews.

    But – for whatever reason – Rosenberg is sure that his interpretation of the Christian Bible is actually the correct one, even though all the other religions’ end-time prophecies exist and have as good a track record as the Christian end-time prophecies.

    Try as I might, I just cannot penetrate this mindset.

  20. JustaTech:

    Colnago80@ 16: Ah ha! If you’d like to see one hypothetical version of “Adolphus, Tilly, and von Wallenstein” with 20th century weapons, may I please direct you to the alternate history series “1632″ by Eric Flint? (Free online from Baen.com, the publisher.)

  21. felidae:

    Mr Rosenberg: DUMB ASS CUSS –as in “nasty old cuss”

  22. Ex Patriot:

    The only end of times that will happen is when the sun turns red giant and turns the earth and what still may be on it to crispy critters, that I believe is coming in about 5 or so billion years from now. these religious nut cases and their end of times make for a good laugh if nothing else. To bad the so called rapture will not come and suck up all these idiots and leave the earth to people who think and are rational

  23. dogmeat:

    Actually, the 30 Years War, in terms of the percentage of the population that was killed or died of disease/starvation was greater then the percentage killed in the two World Wars.

    If you want to talk about conflicts in terms of percentage of population killed, there are numerous conflicts that put WWI-II to shame. When you change the parameters like that the whole thing becomes rather meaningless.

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