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Sep 09 2013

Bishop Cries Persecution to Moonie Times

The Washington Moonie Times has an interview with Illinois Bishop Thomas Paprocki, who recently declared that voting for Democrats could doom a Catholic to hell. He struck the familiar martyr pose and blathered about how terribly persecuted Christians are in America.

“We [Christians] have to mentally adjust. I know it is an adjustment for me because – and I assume for many other people as well – because I grew up in this country at a time when the values in our secular world mirrored the values of the religious world,” Bishop Paprocki said. “And I think what’s happening now is that relationship – that symbiosis between our culture and the church -has been ruptured.

Paprocki compares today’s situation in the U.S. to Christians being persecuted under Communist regimes and even in ancient times.

“We [Christians] find ourselves now – just in this short period of time – where the early Christians found themselves in the Roman Empire. So the church in 2,000 years, we started out as being a persecuted faith, with Constantine being an accepted established faith, then for centuries, kind of moving in that direction that had this close relationship between the secular world’s values and Judeo-Christian values,” Bishop Paprocki said. “And now I think we are moving in a direction that – not only is it more than secular – it’s a rejection. It’s an outright rejection [of Judeo-Christian values]. It’s a pagan kind of a culture.”

“The reality is that – ironically, it is becoming more like the Church was in the time of John Paul II in Poland under Communism where you [Christians] lived in a very hostile environment. We still have the First Amendment of our Constitution but that is being sorely tested. “

Yeah, American Christians are persecuted just like they were in communist regimes. Churches are being shut down, priests are being thrown in gulags. Oh wait, that’s not happening? How about that. And how exactly is the First Amendment being tested? Because you’re not getting your way on everything?

Under Communist rule in Poland, Catholic schools were closed and children were forced to enlist in Communist Youth organizations. Crosses were confiscated from hospitals and classrooms. Social organizations with church ties were dissolved. The brutal government regime targeted parishes and monasteries and members of the clergy were recruited, arrested, or murdered by the Communist secret police.

No kidding. The fact that none of those things are happening here should be a clue that this comparison is utter nonsense.

BISHOP PAPROCKI: You ask what else could it be other than anti-Catholic bigotry – well, it certainly is that. What else could it be? It certainly is ignorance. Profound ignorance for anyone to make comments like that. For one thing it shows the ignorance of someone who identifies the Catholic Church and, particularly the priesthood, with sexual abuse. Certainly, we have had our unfortunate share of scandals and sin and the church is dealing with that.
I would venture to say that of any institution in the country – perhaps in the world – I don’t think anyone is dealing with it as responsibly as the Catholic Church has. So public figures like that continue to point their finger at the Catholic Church and say you have a problem with sexual abuse and people are ignoring where most sexual abuse is taking place. It’s occurring in families. It’s occurring in schools.

Wow. Seriously, WOW. That is simply delusional. Yeah, sexual abuse of children does happen in schools. But guess what? If any school official finds out about it, they are legally obligated to report it to the police. Let’s contrast that with the Catholic Church, where the former pope sent out a command to local bishops forbidding them from doing so. And where for decades (at the very least) the church not only did not turn child molesting priests over to the police, they protected them and moved them from place to place. By what possible definition of “responsibly” could that describe such behavior?

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  1. 1
    daved

    Blockquote fail on that last paragraph, Ed.

  2. 2
    grumpyoldfart

    That story has been used by religious con artists throughout history whenever they need more money from their followers: “The big bad world is closing in on us but we will save you if only you give us some money.”

    Once the cash has been collected: “See, not one Christian has been killed or sent to prison. Didn’t I tell you I would save you?”

  3. 3
    Michael Heath

    Persecuted U.S. Christians = Conservative U.S. Christians who have no coherent, compelling response based on factually true premises to the best arguments from their critics; where their critics enjoy this framework with their own arguments. Where these Christians still cling to those beliefs that can’t withstand such scrutiny.

    So I suspect such false persecution poses as these people at least unconsciously realizing they have no argument, and then acting out in emotionally immature ways. It’s a childish reaction to dealing with either cognitive dissonance, or the threat of such.

  4. 4
    timpayne

    For those who don’t remember, Paprocki was one of the three assholes the Pope put in charge of American nuns (LCWR), when it became clear they needed some stern male guidance.

  5. 5
    matty1

    What else could it be? It certainly is ignorance. Profound ignorance for anyone to make comments like that.

    I assume he is talking about himself here.

  6. 6
    raven

    The Washington Moonie Times has an interview with Illinois Bishop Thomas Paprocki, who recently declared that voting for Democrats could doom a Catholic to hell.

    Aligning the Catholic church with right wing extremist politics could doom them to dwindling membership and ultimate irrelevancy.

    In theory anyway.

    In the last few years, the US RCC has lost 1/3 of their membership, although their child sex abuse scandals seem to have had a lot to do with it. Half my extended family were Catholics. AFAIK, none attend Mass any more.

  7. 7
    Modusoperandi

    “No kidding. The fact that none of those things are happening here should be a clue that this comparison is utter nonsense.”

    Really? Really? The Catholic Church no longer automatically gets respect simply for being itself. That’s worse than persecution.
    It’s like back during WWII, while the Jews were in ghettos and factories and ovens they were fine. It wasn’t until Hitler began glaring at them, starting at the Night of Long Glares, that the true horror began. SS troops glared at thousands of Jews every day; six million were looked at disapprovingly by war’s end.
    I mean, learn your history, people!

  8. 8
    some bastard on the net

    “And I think what’s happening now is that relationship – that symbiosis between our culture and the church -has been ruptured.

    You misspelled, ‘parasitism.’

  9. 9
    ArtK

    Shouldn’t that be “Bishop Poppycock”?

  10. 10
    timgueguen

    You’d think the Bishop would also lament for the days when the Church could take someone like Reverend Moon and burn them at the stake for blasphemy.

  11. 11
    Augustus Carp

    I think that if he claims that voting Blue is a sin he is making a political statement. I am not really up on US law, but isn’t this dodgy territory for organisations claiming charitable status and gaining tax breaks?

  12. 12
    Synfandel

    It’s a pagan kind of a culture.

    *Sigh* Clearly my invitation to the Vernal Equinox Fertility Orgy got lost in the mail again.

  13. 13
    Modusoperandi

    Synfandel, relax. The Pagan Council doesn’t mail out the VEFO invites until January.

  14. 14
    alanuk

    The Bishop may tell Catholics that they may go to hell for voting Democrat. His problem is that the Republicans are telling Catholics that they are going to hell anyway.

  15. 15
    greg1466

    He lost his argument in the second sentence.

    I grew up in this country at a time when the values in our secular world mirrored the values of the religious world

    True, but unlike your religious values, the secular values have continued their evolution out of the bronze age.

  16. 16
    kantalope

    And before that people grew up in this country and referred to bishop poppycock types as papists….and not in a good way.

  17. 17
    steve84

    They Catholic Church took the Vernal Equinox Fertility Orgy and turned it into Easter. Rabbits and eggs? Obviously fertility symbols.

  18. 18
    billdaniels

    The evangelical right will use anything and anyone who helps spreading their agenda. We saw that with Mitt Romney. The evangelicals reluctantly embraced him and said his Mormonism was really okay. Some groups that had preached that Mormons were outside the pale of Christianity scrubbed their websites of any anti-Mormon propaganda.
    Evangelicals fifty years ago spent a lot of time and energy condemning the Roman Catholic Church but now that their goals are the same in many areas, i.e., abortion, LGBT issues, contraception, etc, they are suddenly amigos. If the evangelical right ever does get control of the country the RCs will be in the same camps as LGBT people, Mormons, and other non-evangelical groups.

  19. 19
    Larry

    You’d think the Bishop would also lament for the days when the Church could take someone like Reverend Moon and burn them at the stake for blasphemy.

    Who’s to say he doesn’t? Just one more FREEDOMZ taken from religious people as part of their on-going persecution.

  20. 20
    Doug Little

    For one thing it shows the ignorance of someone who identifies the Catholic Church and, particularly the priesthood, with sexual abuse. Certainly, we have had our unfortunate share of scandals and sin and the church is dealing with that.

    So just because the church is dealing with it (it isn’t) that means that you are ignorant in pointing out that they have a problem in the first place. I must be ignorant of their definition of ignorant.

  21. 21
    Artor

    Modus, the Pagans I know are about as organized as a herd of cats. Mailing out invites to a Vernal Equinox gathering in September is about their speed. I just got my Samhain invite for 2012.

  22. 22
    Doug Little

    I think that if he claims that voting Blue is a sin he is making a political statement. I am not really up on US law, but isn’t this dodgy territory for organisations claiming charitable status and gaining tax breaks?

    Yeah it is but the IRS wont bite.

  23. 23
    lordshipmayhem

    For the record, churches ARE being closed – but not by government fiat or religious persecution. Numbers of the faithful have fallen by such precipitous rates that the organizations like the Roman Catholic Church just can’t afford to keep those expensive piles in good repair.

    Not that this is a BAD thing, of course.

  24. 24
    raven

    @23

    3500 — 4000 churches close their doors each year In America …
    www. godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1747707/pg1

    Jan 7, 2012 – 31 posts – ‎3 authors
    1- In America, 3500 — 4000 churches close their doors each year

    I don’t know about Catholic churches.

    But in my natal Protestant sect, church closings are happening. One happened a few months ago. The church was one of the grand ones, from the era when they had lots of money and members. In a few decades, this one went from well over a thousand to a few dozen mostly old people.

    It’s starting to happen to my parent’s church also. They have a Sunday school. Most times, there are zero kids in it. The average age is over 60 by now. And they all know there is a problem just by looking around each week.

  25. 25
    Robert B.

    He struck the familiar martyr pose and blathered about how terribly persecuted Christians are in America.

    That seems to be true, yes. For example, their right to vote is compromised with threats of infinite torture.

  26. 26
    democommie

    @1:

    daved:

    Perhaps it’s not a blockquote fail but just what Paparoach was really thinking while he was spoutin’ the blather and bullshit.

    “Persecuted U.S. Christians = Conservative U.S. Christians who have no coherent, compelling response based on factually true premises to arguments from their critics;”

    Sorry, Michael Heath, but “the best” is a needless qualifier. Saying that logic is not the KKKristianists’ strong suit is like saying that chickens don’t like to swim.

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