Fun With Creationist Logic

Paul Taylor of Creation Today gives a perfect illustration of creationist “logic” in this video about Tyrannosaurus Rex. He says there is evidence that they ate meat but that evidence is “only circumstantial,” whereas “one thing is for sure” — that it was created to eat only plants. Because the Bible says so, which is way better than any so-called “evidence.” And their original teeth “may have changed after Adam’s sin so that such creatures could eat meat.”

35 comments on this post.
  1. Gvlgeologist, FCD:

    When he says, “may have changed after Adam’s sin so that such creatures could eat meat”, isn’t he saying that they evolved?

  2. colnago80:

    Of course, like all carnivores, TRex’s teeth were totally unsuited for a vegetarian diet. Unsurprisingly, he fails to point to a fossil TRex with dentition like a Brontosaurus.

  3. matty1:

    I thought the fossils were placed there by Satan to fool us, when did creationists start admitting they were real animals?

  4. baz1:

    With that sort of “grip” on reality I hope that he has someone to help him tie his shoelaces ……

  5. Loqi:

    Gvlgeologist -
    This is creationist logic we’re talking about here. Evolution is when a dog gives birth to a firetruck. Or something like that.

  6. tbp1:

    I’ve always wondered about this assertion that all animals were vegetarian before the fall (some say until after the flood). What, exactly, is a vegetarian cat? At a minimum it would have to have different teeth and a completely different digestive tract. It might well need different paws, too. Such a creature simply wouldn’t be a cat; it would be something else. This holds true for essentially any carnivorous creature, including plants. What did pitcher plants or Venus flytraps look like before the fall?

  7. Alverant:

    What kind of sick god punishes animals for what man has done?

    Also didn’t Eve sin too?

  8. Modusoperandi:

    EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT VEGETABLES WERE SOFTER BEFORE THE FALL!

  9. Modusoperandi:

    tbp1 “This holds true for essentially any carnivorous creature, including plants. What did pitcher plants or Venus flytraps look like before the fall?”
    BEFORE THE FALL “CARNIVOROUS” PLANTS ATE THEMSELVES. KIND OF SAD IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT.

  10. phhht:

    “[T Rex] was created to eat only plants. Because the Bible says so, which is way better than any so-called “evidence.”

    Except the bible does not say so. Most creationist loonies hallucinate an extra word or two into Genesis 1:30.
    The verse says:


    Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so.

    As you can see for yourself, the verse says that God gave plants to eat. It DOES NOT SAY that God gave plants, only plants, and nothing but plants.

    Hell, it doesn’t even say that before the Fall, plants were not made out of meat.

  11. Doug Little:

    With that sort of “grip” on reality I hope that he has someone to help him tie his shoelaces ……

    That’s why they invented Velcro.

  12. Anthony K:

    BEFORE THE FALL “CARNIVOROUS” PLANTS ATE THEMSELVES. KIND OF SAD IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT.

    Eww! Is that why they have hairy leaves and went blind?

  13. kosk11348:

    I posted this message, which is now pending approval:

    Pandas indeed have sharp teeth and they are indeed herbivores. But pandas are bears, which are omnivores, capable of eating *both* meat and plant material. So the reason pandas have fangs is because at one time their ancestors ate meat. Some of these ancestors became specialized eaters, gorging themselves on the plentiful bamboo. Pandas have only recently evolved to become vegetarians, which is why their fangs remain. But sharp teeth *always* originate for eating meat. T-Rex was a carnivore.

    I expect to see it approved any minute now…

  14. Ubi Dubium:

    If he’s going to make stuff up, why doesn’t he just say that before the fall trees used to grow meat for the carnivores? They could do lovely books for the kiddies with big trees growing steaks and chops. It makes as much sense as saying that T. Rex teeth changed because a woman ate a piece of evil fruit.

  15. Alverant:

    #14 It wasn’t evil fruit but the fruit of knowing what good and evil was. Of course to Fysher, knowledge itself is evil.

  16. skemono:

    And their original teeth “may have changed after Adam’s sin so that such creatures could eat meat.”

    How silly! Doesn’t he know that they had sharp teeth so they could eat coconuts? The Creation Museum told me so.

  17. John Pieret:

    tbp1 @ 6:

    A favorite (joking) example from talk.origins was the pre-Fall spiders. They wove webs to catch grapes before they hit the ground and then sucked out all the juice, so Adam and Eve could have raisins.

    BTW, Dr. Steven Novella has also tackled this bit of nonsense:

    http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/t-rex-a-vegetarian/

  18. jnorris:

    After The Sin of Adam, the T Rex lost its wings because they didn’t need to fly to the tops of trees to eat the tenderest leaves.

  19. eric:

    Its also amusing to contrast this part of Genesis with the Cain and Abel story. Remember, God was pleased by the lamb sacrifice and threw the gardener out on his ass. Evidently, God jumped on the ‘you don’t make friends with salad’ bandwagon pretty fast.

    The inconsistency makes complete sense if you assume two different authors and a non-literal point to the earlier story. But from a literalist perspective, it appears God went from not including meat-eating in creation to loving meat more than plants in one generation.

  20. Dave, ex-Kwisatz Haderach:

    I wish I had the ‘shoop skills to make a picture of a T-rex with a big set of herbivore dentures, cause the mental pictures is giving me the giggles something fierce.

  21. Dave, ex-Kwisatz Haderach:

    And this is why I love the internet. No matter how odd, whatever you want is already out there.

  22. Dave, ex-Kwisatz Haderach:

    Dammit! Borked the link. I am not L33T.

  23. Crudely Wrott:

    Dave. The InnerTubes is God. Your “ask and ye shall receive” experience is certainly more than enough evidence. Don’t you think so?

  24. Mr. Upright:

    “Well.. every now and then, a little girl is born with a penis and testicles. And, of course, they have to be removed and reshaped.”

    http://snltranscripts.jt.org/86/86nobstetrician.phtml

  25. Dave, ex-Kwisatz Haderach:

    You might be on to something there Crudely Wrott. According to a link from a commenter on one of PZ’s posts, NSA can spy on everyone, therefore god and the internet answers prayers, so obviously we are making god right now. Soon the network will be so vast and knowledgeable that it will span space and time. And given its origins, it will go back in time and write contradictory holy books for the lulz.

    I think I’ll get in on the ground floor now and anoint myself Grand Poobah of the Church of the Intertubes.

  26. exdrone:

    Genesis would have been a more entertaining read if it had covered the day after the fall when Adam’s pet T-rex suddenly looked hungry and Adam suddenly looked delicious.

  27. Dave, ex-Kwisatz Haderach:

    Hadn’t thought of that before. One day, without warning, thousands of predators are suddenly looking for meat. The prey hasn’t needed to learn how to avoid being eaten. How many tame fuzzy little species went extinct that morning?

  28. Artor:

    So square-toothed Barney is an accurate representation of T-Rex. Good to know. Were they really purple, too? Did the triceratops wear bows on it’s skull plates? C’mon guys, don’t tease us with isolated details. Let’s hear the rest of your “theory.”

  29. Augustus Carp:

    Creationist Logic? Isn’t that a bit of an Oxymoron? Its right up there with “Aussie Rules” and “Fun Run”.

  30. iknklast:

    T Rex “et people”? I’m pretty sure T Rex did not eat people. People were not yet in existence.

  31. Matt G:

    @13 – Pandas are able to survive on bamboo because they have formed a mutualistic relationship with intestinal bacteria which make the nutrients available for absorption.

  32. Larry:

    People were not yet in existence.

    Oh, yeah?

    The bible said it. I believe it and that’s that!

  33. Dr X:

    Of course, like all carnivores, TRex’s teeth were totally unsuited for a vegetarian diet. Unsurprisingly, he fails to point to a fossil TRex with dentition like a Brontosaurus.

    That’s because God changed the fossils retroactively. He did so to sort the evolutionist heathens from the faithful. And he also did it because he likes the confusion it creates. It’s pretty boring just sitting there being God and doing nothing weird.

  34. caseloweraz:

    @Dave, ex-KH:

    Is it Ken Ham’s wall upon which the head of that T-Rex hangs?

  35. caseloweraz:

    Dr. X: “It’s pretty boring just sitting there being God and doing nothing weird.”

    Sort of like when Superman blew out the Olympic torch in that movie.

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