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Aug 21 2013

This Should Make the Birthers Go Nuts

Some of the Obama birthers have remained consistent in saying that Sen. Ted Cruz is also not a “natural-born citizen” because he was born in Canada, but to American parents. Some have suddenly not been concerned about Cruz’ citizenship. But wait until they find out that Cruz has dual citizenship in both the US and in the socialist paradise of Canada.

Born in Canada to an American mother, Ted Cruz became an instant U.S. citizen. But under Canadian law, he also became a citizen of that country the moment he was born.

Unless the Texas Republican senator formally renounces that citizenship, he will remain a citizen of both countries, legal experts say.

That means he could assert the right to vote in Canada or even run for Parliament. On a lunch break from the U.S. Senate, he could head to the nearby embassy — the one flying a bright red maple leaf flag — pull out his Calgary, Alberta, birth certificate and obtain a passport.

“He’s a Canadian,” said Toronto lawyer Stephen Green, past chairman of the Canadian Bar Association’s Citizenship and Immigration Section.

To be fair to the birthers, though, it should be noted that Cruz is not black.

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  1. 1
    Trebuchet

    Some of the Obama birthers have remained consistent in saying that Sen. Ted Cruz is also not a “natural-born citizen” because he was born in Canada, but to American parents.

    Only one American parent, actually. His father was Cuban. Better get Sheriff Joe on the case!

  2. 2
    Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

    Cruz has dual citizenship

    Not for long.

  3. 3
    colnago80

    Re Trebuchet @ #1

    More to the point, his father was not repeat not a US citizen at the time of his birth.

  4. 4
    tbp1

    IOKIYAR. Always.

  5. 5
    Modusoperandi

    WELL AT LEAST HE HAS A REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

  6. 6
    mithrandir

    colnago89@3: As I’m sure you’re aware, there is indeed a school of birther thought that holds that “natural born citizen” requires both of one’s parents to be US citizens. For the most part, that class of birthers is consistent enough to assert that Chester Arthur (whose father was British when he was born) was an illegitimate President, and I would be sincerely surprised of any of them accepted Ted Cruz as a natural born citizen.

  7. 7
    jnorris

    Could the senator also be Cuban by his father’s nationality?

  8. 8
    umlud

    That means he could assert the right to vote in Canada or even run for Parliament. On a lunch break from the U.S. Senate, he could head to the nearby embassy — the one flying a bright red maple leaf flag — pull out his Calgary, Alberta, birth certificate and obtain a passport.

    They’re saying this like it’s a bad thing. My point is, “So?!?”

  9. 9
    Randomfactor

    He SAYS he’s not black.

  10. 10
    Synfandel

    He just might want that Canadian passport. It would let him visit his relatives in Cuba.

  11. 11
    Synfandel

    That means he could assert the right to vote in Canada or even run for Parliament.

    He would also need to have a residence in Canada. Assuming he had that, his best fit would be in the Conservative Party, of course, but I highly doubt that any constituency association would nominate him as a candidate. He’s too far off the right-wing deep end to be electable in Canada.

  12. 12
    Ibis3, Let's burn some bridges

    As I’m sure you’re aware, there is indeed a school of birther thought that holds that “natural born citizen” requires both of one’s parents to be US citizens.

    Also, don’t they think that natural born citizens must be born on US soil (with exceptions for overseas US military bases and the like)–thus all the nonsense about Obama being born in Kenya and the birth announcement that ended up in the Hawaiian paper having been sent by telegram? As far as I know, Calgary isn’t part of Texas even yet, despite the wet dreams of Stephen Harper.

  13. 13
    Zeno

    Cruz is just a jerk that it delights me to think how he will suffer endlessly from the self-inflicted wound of making common cause with birthers and other wackos.

  14. 14
    Synfandel

    Natural born US citizen just means US citizen whose mom didn’t have a C-section.

  15. 15
    axelblaster

    Cruz is Cross in Spanish. By their logic, Jesus would vote for him.

  16. 16
    John Pieret

    Ibis3:

    Also, don’t they think that natural born citizens must be born on US soil (with exceptions for overseas US military bases and the like)

    Some of the loopier birthers (I know, that’s hard to measure) asserted that John McCain wasn’t a natural born citizen eligible to run for president because he was born in the Canal Zone to American citizens.

    And wouldn’t you oh-so-polite Canadians please take Cruz off our hands? Please? Pretty please? With sugar on top?

  17. 17
    Synfandel

    And wouldn’t you oh-so-polite Canadians please take Cruz off our hands? Please? Pretty please? With sugar on top?

    Well, if we did, at least he would qualify for publicly-insured mental healthcare.

  18. 18
    Alverant

    I thought a natural born US citizen was someone born inside US borders (including territories and the like). So Obama is one and Cruz is not

  19. 19
    shripathikamath

    Birthers are fine. They were only upset with the color of Obama’s skin. Ted Cruz does not have the melanin problem.

    But in case one was wondering:

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/zingularity/2013/08/20/ted-cruz-has-a-problem/#comment-45379

  20. 20
    Callinectes

    Is it legal to be democratically elected as leader of two countries at the same time? Inquiring mind wants to know.

  21. 21
    democommie

    His daddy ain’t JUST Cuban. He apparently bribed an official in the Batista administration to get an exit visa (although as was pointed out, elsewhere, it’s unclear why he would have to bribe someone to leave Cuba BEFORE Castro took power). Hello, Miami–Dade!

  22. 22
    democommie

    Do you know the difference between Ted Cruz, Ted Nugent, Rand and Ron Paul, Louis Gohmert, Glennie Blek, Rushbo, Michael Savage and the rest of the laundry list of republiturds and regular turds?

    Regular turds do not have U.S. flag lapel pins, the sharp edges of which will irritate your bowel and make your hemorrhoids bleed. True fact.

  23. 23
    adobo

    @22

    It took me a while but I finally got there! LOL

  24. 24
    colnago80

    Re democommie @ #22

    Actually, Cruz differs from the other in the list in that he is a smart guy and the rest are morons.

  25. 25
    jonnewman

    If you are an instant U.S. citizen if you have an American mother why was Winston Churchill granted honorary U.S citizenship?

  26. 26
    mithrandir

    Alverant@18: The phrase “natural born citizen” occurs in the Constitution but is not defined in that document, any amendment thereof, or even statute. Intuitively, it’s generally understood that means “citizen by birth”. Thus, someone born on American soil and subject to the jurisdiction thereof (e.g. not a foreign diplomat) is a natural born citizen, as is someone born not on American soil but nevertheless to one or more parents who are American citizens.

    (On the latter point, it’s been asserted that a US citizen’s child is only a citizen by birth if certain circumstances apply, e.g. they were resident in the United States for some period of time or something; in the case of Obama, it’s further asserted that his mother did not meet those requirements at the time of his birth. However, regardless of whether that is true being born on American soil is nevertheless sufficient condition for birth citizenship, which is why most garden-variety birtherism focuses on trying to discredit his Hawaiian birth certificate.)

  27. 27
    sezme

    He may not be black on the outside, but inside is a wholly different matter.

  28. 28
    vmanis1

    Renouncing Canadian citizenship is actually less than it seems. Sure, you have to get our intelligence service to sign off that you’re not a terrorist, but it isn’t exactly permanent. Case in point, Conrad Black, convicted white collar criminal. He was born in Canada, but renounced his Canadian citizenship in order to become a British peer (Lord Black of Crossharbour), before being convicted in U.S. court, and serving time, for obstructing justice. After being released from American pokey, he wanted to return to Canada. One would think that, as a non-citizen convicted of a crime for which the sentence was greater than 2 years, that we would say `go away, you un-Canadian person’. In fact, he rather quickly obtained a 1-year residence permit, and is currently living in Toronto again.

    That said, the United States is most welcome to Sen. Cruz.

  29. 29
    thecalmone

    I’ve never understood why the US retains this requirement. Aren’t you cheating yourselves of potentially competent leaders by denying them the opportunity to run for president? Until recently, Australia’s prime minister, Julia Gillard (until she was replaced by Kevin Rudd) was a woman born in Wales. This was never an issue at all in terms of her popularity or perceptions of her competence as a leader.

  30. 30
    democommie

    “This Should Make the Birthers Go Nuts”

    For that journey they will not need luggage.

  31. 31
    democommie

    @24:

    You, Sir, are correct; Cruz is a devious fucker and, fwiw, Alan Dershowitz is a pretty scmott guy, hisownself, but I’m not sure that his notion of intellect and mine will line up. Cruz is a shit stirrer, an asshole and a grafter, so he should go far in the GOP.

  32. 32
    F [i'm not here, i'm gone]

    He could obtain a passport! My god, the end of the world as we know it is at hand!

  33. 33
    lofgren

    Aren’t you cheating yourselves of potentially competent leaders by denying them the opportunity to run for president?

    The number of potentially competent leaders who want to be president, are capable of winning an election, and are better options than any natives is probably pretty slim. At this point it’s not really necessary to keep it on the books, but the difficulty of amending the constitution vs. the number of new really worthwhile candidates makes it unlikely to be a worthwhile cause for anybody to take up.

  34. 34
    dingojack

    “A shit-stirrer’?
    You mean someone who is willing to upset the status quo? Here that’s considered a mildly complementary epithet for a politician
    Ah yes, – two countries separated by the same language.
    :) Dingo

  35. 35
    Pen

    I wonder what the tea party would like to do about the fact that the child of one American parent, even a child who never lives in the US is not only an American citizen but remains eligible for US taxes throughout their lives?

  36. 36
    democommie

    “Ah yes, – two countries separated by the same language.”

    Dear dingojack:

    For your perusal:

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/shit-stirrer.

    Sorry, I can’t do a cut’n’paste from that page.

    Stirring-shit is always about creating mischief. Sometimes the mischief maker is a decent human being, often it’s someone like Teabag Cruz.

  37. 37
    matty1

    It would be more fun if he’d go the other way. Try and collect as many nationalities as possible and run for office in all of them. Disappointingly it seems Cuba doesn’t allow dual citizenship cause that would be the obvious third choice but keep trying.

    Also he should get some kind of bonus points if pulls this off and then declares war on himself.

  38. 38
    Pierce R. Butler

    democommie @ # 36: … I can’t do a cut’n’paste from that page.

    With the browser add-on NoScript, you can copy from reference.com and (even more usefully) snopes.com – but will have various troubles with other sites, particularly with embedded videos. Best of all, you fly partially under the radar of Google.Corp.

  39. 39
    Synfandel

    jonnewman wrote:

    If you are an instant U.S. citizen if you have an American mother why was Winston Churchill granted honorary U.S citizenship?

    That’s not the only relic in the US constitution that has long outlasted its relevance.

    The purpose of the natural-born-citizen clause was to prevent a European nobleman from getting elected and turning the office into a de facto hereditary title, reintroducing the Old World class structure. The danger has long passed. Now it just (a) denies the people the opportunity to elect someone like former governor Schwarzenegger as president should they so choose and (b) provides a platform for birther wingnuts.

    Similarly, the the purpose of the right to bear arms in the second amendment was to defend against what was perceived to be a very real danger of imminent invasion by Britain to reacquire the lost colonies. Again, the danger has long passed, but the tragic and horrifying consequences of the amendment linger on.

  40. 40
    dogmeat

    You mean someone who is willing to upset the status quo? Here that’s considered a mildly complementary epithet for a politician

    Dingo,

    Also consider the idea that Cruz is a reactionary shit-stirrer, he wants to upset the status quo in a negative way; roll things back so that the rights and liberties of others can be denied, just like in the “good old days.”

    I’d argue that there is a rather significant difference from the liberal/radical to the conservative/reactionary end of the spectrum. On the liberal end, if the ends are to expand rights, protect liberties, etc., then it would very much be a positive thing, on the conservative end, if the ends are to reverse earlier recognition of rights and liberties, then it is very much a negative thing.

  41. 41
    exdrone

    Synfandel @11:

    “That means he could assert the right to vote in Canada or even run for Parliament. ”
    He would also need to have a residence in Canada. Assuming he had that, his best fit would be in the Conservative Party, of course, but I highly doubt that any constituency association would nominate him as a candidate. He’s too far off the right-wing deep end to be electable in Canada.

    Not so fast, Synfandel. These days, he would have a good chance of getting elected in Texas North Alberta.

  42. 42
    colnago80

    Re Synfandel @ #11

    I don’t know, isn’t Stephen Harper pretty conservative?

  43. 43
    Synfandel

    Re colnago80 @ 42

    By Canadian standards, yes, Stephen Harper and his party are pretty conservative, but it’s a matter of perspective. Ted Cruz and his fellow lunatic fringe Republicans make Mr. Harper look like a social democrat.

    The centre of the political bell curve in Canada is pretty far to the left of that of the US. In addition, the bell curve is comparatively narrow in the US, with not a lot of light between Democrats and Republicans.

    On balance, Stephen Harper’s Conservative Party is positioned a little to the left of the Democratic Party. Yes, left. And to the right of the Conservative Party in Canada (at least at the federal level) are only fringe parties like the Family Coalition Party and the Christian Heritage Party. Those fringe parties share more or less the same bandwidth on the political spectrum as the Republicans in the US.

    From a mainstream Canadian perspective, the Democrats look conservative and the Republicans look bat-crap crazy.

  44. 44
    chilidog99

    Jonewman@25 asked: “If you are an instant U.S. citizen if you have an American mother why was Winston Churchill granted honorary U.S citizenship?”

    Because at that time, under US law, if an American woman married a non-citizen, she would lose her US citizenship in favor of her husband’s. conversely, if an American man, married a non-citizen, she would gain US citizenship.

    This was changed with a series of acts starting in the 1920′s.

    We were misogynistic assholes back then.

  45. 45
    John Phillips, FCD

    Synfandel #43, your last sentence is pretty close to how I regard the US parties from this side of the pond.

  46. 46
    colnago80

    Re Synfandel @ #43

    Yeah, I notice that Harper hasn’t tried to terminate the Canadian health care system or overturn the same sex marriage act.

  47. 47
    democommie

    “We were misogynistic assholes back then.”

    Too many still are.

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