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Aug 07 2013

Racists: Immigration Reform = Civil War

The president of the racist, neo-Confederate League of the South says that if Congress passes immigration reform it will make the United States into another Yugoslavia and lead to another round of secessions and possibly another civil war.

Michael Hill: You talk about a transformation in 1965? That would be a slow and gradual transformation compared to what will happen if they pass this amnesty act in 2013 or 2014. The changes there will be immediate and drastic.

Rodney Martin: Absolutely.

Hill: The South will either leave the union, or there will be another civil, a true civil war.

Martin: You know, you mention civil war, I think if they do, if they ramrod this amnesty bill through, then I think where I talked about the United States being a Soviet Union, I think overnight, we become Yugoslavia, and it becomes not a pretty picture.

Hill: It’s going to be extremely ugly.

Martin: I’m not sure that this power elite in Washington really understand how people feel about when they look out their front doors and see that their government, obviously its not our government anymore, they don’t represent us. They’re looking to replace us. They’re looking to ethnically cleanse us from our own lands.

Hill: This is genocide.

Martin: That’s exactly what it is.

Hill: This is genocide; this is anti-white genocide.

You keep using that word; I do not think it means what you think it means. Genocide means the deliberate killing off of huge numbers of people. It doesn’t mean having to see more brown people at the grocery store.

This conversation took place on the American Nationalist Network, the radio arm of the American Nationalist Association. On the website introducing the network, they make quite clear where they stand:

Fundamental Truths

“He who would live must fight. He who does not wish to fight in this world, where permanent struggle is the law of life, has not the right to exist.”

“Should the Jew, with the aid of his Marxist creed, triumph over the people of this world, his Crown will be the funeral wreath of mankind, and this planet will once again follow its orbit through ether, without any human life on its surface, as it did millions of years ago.

And so I believe to-day that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. In standing guard against the Jew I am defending the handiwork of the Lord.”

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

“There will come a day when all the lies will collapse under their own weight, and the truth will triumph again.”

- Joseph Goebbels

But gosh, I can’t imagine where anyone would get the idea that these people are racist fascists.

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  1. 1
    John Pieret

    But gosh, I can’t imagine where anyone would get the idea that these people are racist fascists.

    Well, here, at last, is a case where it is impossible to commit a Godwin.

  2. 2
    colnago80

    These assholes seem to unaware of the fact that Frankenberger lost WW 2 in part because of his own incompetence.

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    Taz

    Should the Jew Obama, with the aid of his Marxist creed, triumph over the people of this world, his Crown will be the funeral wreath of mankind, and this planet will once again follow its orbit through ether, without any human life on its surface, as it did millions thousands of years ago.

    - Any of dozens of right-wing commentators.

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    steve oberski

    Using Goebbels as your standard for discerning lies from the truth is like taking your lead from the Catholic church (or most any xtian, muslim or jewish sect) on the ethical treatment of children, women and homosexuals.

  5. 5
    dcsohl

    A little late, I see Taz caught what I did… that at least these aren’t YECs. Though they do still inspire a “yech” response.

  6. 6
    Randomfactor

    As long as they allow safe passage out to anyone who wants to leave first, I’m increasingly of the opinion that the US would be eight lengths ahead within a year of the southern states re-seceding. It might even balance the federal budget for us. Maybe we should keep a couple of southern military bases, like we did Guantanamo, just in case.

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    John Hinkle

    …if they ramrod this amnesty bill through, then I think where I talked about the United States being a Soviet Union…

    Elected representatives who pass a bill with which I disagree = ramrodding.

  8. 8
    tfkreference

    The Goebbels quote is accurate, though the image of collapse it brings to my mind is the building over the bunker where his boss’s corpse lay in April 1945.

  9. 9
    skinnercitycyclist

    @colnago80:

    I think you are referring to Hitler as “Frankenberger” here. I have never seen that name in connection with that person except on these blogs. I do not know if you are the one I saw use the name before, but referring to Hitler as “Frankenberger” or “Schickelgruber” (much more common) is about as hilarious as teasackers referring to the president as “Barry Soetoro.” In other words, not hilarious in the slightest and historically untrue. This whole “Frankenberger/Schickelgruber thing is just a way of making fun of Hitler with a (to untutored American ears) comical-sounding German name.

    If you think I am wrong or being unfair here, by all means school me.

  10. 10
    Ace of Sevens

    Kind of like how the Italians got ethnically cleansed from Boston’s North End by gentrification, or is that different?

  11. 11
    Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

    Genocide means the deliberate killing off of huge numbers of people.

    No. Article 2 of the 1948 UN convention on genocide defines it as

    any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

    Thus, for example, the mass sterilization of an identifiable ethnic or religious group would also count as genocide.

    Not that this has anything to do with U.S. immigration policy; I just wanted to push back against the idea that genocide necessarily involves killing. It doesn’t.

  12. 12
    colnago80

    Re skinnercitycyclist @ #9

    Adolf’s paternal grandmother was Maria Schickelgruber, which was the name his father Alois was christened with. Alois’ birth certificate does not name a father. As a matter of fact, the identity of his biological father is unknown. It might have been the man Johann Heidler who, after marrying Maria changed the family name to Hitler. However, it is totally unclear whether Heidler was Alois biological father or even whether he and Maria even knew each other at the time of Alois conception. they sure as hell weren’t married at the time. Another hypothesis that has been put forward is that Alois biological father was one Leopold Frankenberger, the 19 year old son of the Frankenberger family. Since ole Adolf had the records in his home town destroyed after the Anschluss, he, himself was unsure as to his ancestry. The problem is that there seems to be no record of a Frankenberger family living in Braunau or Graz although,since Adolf had the records destroyed, who knows. Of course, some historians have speculated that Leopold was Jewish, which would have made Adolf subject to the Nuremberg laws, but it is quite possible that the Frankenberger family, if it existed, were converts to Catholicism and that it was a mixed marriage.

    Thus, calling him Schickelgruber or Frankenberger is probably no less accurate then calling him Heidler or Hitler and points to the fact that his father was a bastard.

  13. 13
    freemage

    Okay, so, we’re all clear on the plan, right?

    1: Get this small fringe group to actually follow through on their absurd notion of the south ‘rising again’.

    2: Smack them around a bit til they get scared, then offer a compromise.

    3: Give them some combination of Old South states and Texas and Oklahoma–maybe just those last two. All identified sympathizers in other states are to be ‘invited’ to join the New Confederates, while persons willing to renounce the confederates will be allowed to move here–there can be a housing swap, or something.

    4: Destroy all roads in and out of the new nation–let them fester in their own filth and hatred and ignorance, and let Darwinism take its natural course. As a bonus, we’ll be shedding the states with the largest amount of per-capita drain on the federal coffers (and if those schmucks think they’re getting access to the Social Security reserves, well…), thereby helping balance the budget.

  14. 14
    Pierce R. Butler

    skinnercitycyclist @ # 9 – Several of us have tried to educate “colnago80″ (who until recently commented here as “slc” or “slc1″ – I guess the Salt Lake City government finally found a way to get him to spare their acronym) about the case for calling Hitler Hitler.

    It all bounces off.

    Wait ’til the conversation turns to Iran, if you want to see some reason-proof ranting.

  15. 15
    colnago80

    Re Pierce R. Butler @ #14

    There is nothing wrong with Iran that a couple of Tsar bomb wouldn’t cure

    http://goo.gl/mMxvLz

  16. 16
    Rip Steakface

    slc, what the fuck is wrong with you?

  17. 17
    bmiller

    Gosh. I am embarrassed to share a love for the same sport as the Dr. Strangelove above at 6:22. What’s wrong, Colnago…are youa fraid tha Ay-rabs and Persians are going to steal your ESSENCE?

  18. 18
    busterggi

    I always wonder why the right-wings nuts who proclaim their patriotism the loudest always have Confederate flags on their vehicles & flying outside their homes.

  19. 19
    laurentweppe

    The South will either leave the union, or there will be another civil, a true civil war.

    Are they really hitching to get their ass kicked a second time that much?

  20. 20
    dingojack

    Further to Hercules Grytpype-Thynne see this PDF. Note killing isn’t strictly necessary, merely denying a person’s right to their ‘cultural heritage’ or identity will do.
    Dingo

  21. 21
    colnago80

    Re bimiller @ #17

    Real men ride on tubulars.

  22. 22
    dingojack

    SLC – you ride these?
    ;) Dingo

  23. 23
    colnago80

    Re Dingojack @ #22

    No, I ride these.

    http://www.tufo.com/s33-special/

  24. 24
    dingojack

    SXL – Yes but wouldn’t Tubular Bells be cool to ride? :)
    (I’m assuming there’s a bicycle to go with the tyres)…
    Dingo

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    dmcclean

    Hill: The South will either leave the union, or there will be another civil, a true civil war.

    Does anyone else get the impression that he stopped himself and clarified “a true civil war” because he didn’t want to hear complaints from fellow lunatics that the civil war wasn’t a civil war at all and was a “war of northern aggression”?

  27. 27
    democommie

    ” the civil war wasn’t a civil war at all and was a “war of northern aggression”?”

    Are you, perchance, referring to the oft-misidentified “War of Southern Treachery”?

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