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Aug 04 2013

Jewish Bigots Throw a Fit

Stop me if you’ve heard this one before: A group of ultra-Orthodox Jewish misogynists threw a temper tantrum when a woman refused to move to the back of the bus as instructed, smashing windows out of several buses and blocking them from continuing on their route.

Ultra-Orthodox protesters attacked and damaged three buses in the city of Beit Shemesh near Jerusalem on Wednesday, after a female traveling on one of the buses refused a Haredi passenger’s order to move to the back and sit separately from the men.

Following her refusal, demonstrators blocked the path of the bus and smashed its windshield, then targeted two other buses nearby. Police were summoned to the site.

An eyewitness passenger said that the No. 417 bus from Ramat Beit Shemesh to Jerusalem was packed when he got on the bus, due to the summer vacation. When the driver pulled up to one of the Beit Shemesh stops, he said, four men in ultra-Orthodox garb blocked the bus and began striking at its windshield with a hammer. The other passengers were frightened, the witness said, adding that there were babies on board at the time.

Oh look, it’s the Jewish version of the Taliban.

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  1. 1
    Chiroptera

    Yabbiut, there’s another country where things are worse so we should ignore this one.

  2. 2
    exdrone

    But you can see their point. She was obviously violating the religious restrictions clearly stated in Leviticus for riding on buses and subways.

  3. 3
    Ace of Sevens

    The Jewish Taliban is better dressed, though.

  4. 4
    matty1

    I don’t know there’s something about that whole kalashnikov chic the originals have going for them.

  5. 5
    Gregory in Seattle

    “After the police arrived, the woman was arrested for causing the damage.”

  6. 6
    Pierce R. Butler

    Why did they say “back of the bus” (with all the unfortunate connotations of that phrase) when they meant “under the bus”?

  7. 7
    Gretchen

    Everyone who believes that God wants women to sit at the back of the bus is invited to live together, in a land where others think just as they do, in peace and freedom and harmony– and no women.

  8. 8
    Modusoperandi

    Man, the lengths boys will go through to avoid cooties. I don’t see why they go through all this, when all that’s needed is a little exposure to build up immunity. Eventually, and I know this is going to sound absurd, being around girls is kind of nice. After enough exposure, these boys might even be able to look them in the eyes. I know!

  9. 9
    leni

    See, this could not possibly be an indicator of patriarchy. Everything looks like misogyny to you people. Probably they were trying to save her from the police and risking they’re own safety to do so.

    I bet one even threw his jacket over the broken glass as she departed the bus.

  10. 10
    Matt G

    Is it customary for ultra-orthodox Jews to carry hammers?

  11. 11
    colnago80

    Before pointing fingers at Israel, it should be noted that there is similar behavior in certain ultra-orthodox neighborhoods of New York City. Mayor Bloomberg and his police chief have been rather tardy in arresting the miscreants and throwing them in jail.

    My solution to this problem is very simple. Hire some female bodybuilders to board the buses and when these clowns start acting up, beat the shit out of them. The shame of being beaten up by girls will be worse then the actual physical damage suffered.

  12. 12
    Gretchen

    slchonda said:

    Before pointing fingers at Israel, it should be noted that there is similar behavior in certain ultra-orthodox neighborhoods of New York City.

    Before writing comments accusing Ed of pointing fingers at Israel, it should be noted that Ed points his finger at misogynistic bullshit wherever it occurs. Talking about it occurring in a different country is not an attack on that country in general, nor is it a presumption that the same thing or worse does not happen in one’s own country.

    FFS.

  13. 13
    raven

    Before pointing fingers at Israel,…

    EB isn’t pointing fingers at Israel.

    He is pointing fingers at weird Ultra-Orthodox misogynists.

    Before pointing fingers at Ed Brayton, maybe you could, I don’t know, learn to read or something.

  14. 14
    Modusoperandi

    Matt G “Is it customary for ultra-orthodox Jews to carry hammers?”
    Well, there was this one famous Jewish carpenter…
     
    Gretchen “Before writing comments accusing Ed of pointing fingers at Israel, it should be noted that Ed points his finger at misogynistic bullshit wherever it occurs.”
    Before writing comments about pointing fingers (or pointing fingers about pointing fingers), remember to put on your protective eyewear. If eyewear not available, try mittens. Seven out of ten eye-related accidents can be prevented by the correct safety gear.*
     
    * This message brought to you by OSHA. OSHa, “We’re the guys who try to stop you from falling off ladders, stupid”.

  15. 15
    democommie

    “Well, there was this one famous Jewish carpenter…”

    Really? You’ve seen his union card and his guild certification? I didn’t THINK so!

  16. 16
    laurentweppe

    The Jewish Taliban is better dressed

    But his garb is much less practical

    ***

    Is it customary for ultra-orthodox Jews to carry hammers?

    Is it customary for far-right bullies to carry concealed weapons? Of course it is! Opportunities to lynch people they don’t like don’t happen everyday and are treasures to be sized the fleeting instant they present themselves, so carrying the necessary equipment is a must-do

  17. 17
    Marcus Ranum

    My solution to this problem is very simple. Hire some female bodybuilders to board the buses and when these clowns start acting up, beat the shit out of them.

    Same old fascistic simple-minded “solutions” huh? Why not send them a cease and desist saying “cristallnacht” is a trademark?

  18. 18
    Jasper of Maine

    Why is America supporting this nation again?

  19. 19
    Jasper of Maine
    Before pointing fingers at Israel,…

    EB isn’t pointing fingers at Israel.

    He is pointing fingers at weird Ultra-Orthodox misogynists.

    Before pointing fingers at Ed Brayton, maybe you could, I don’t know, learn to read or something.

    Whoop

  20. 20
    Artor

    Two words; ninja schoolgirls. There needs to be a squad of innocuous, innocent-looking girls that maliciously rides public transport that also served the ultra-orthodox. When the haredrim get their bully on, WHAMMO! Flying kicks and old men being thrown by their beards. I’d love to be a witness.

  21. 21
    laurentweppe

    Why is America supporting this nation again?

    Official reason: It’s a tiny democracy populated by the descendants and cousins of holocaust and pogrom survivors and threatened by tyranical neighbours

    Real reason: It’s a tiny ethnocracy populated by the descendants and cousins of holocaust and pogrom survivors where the white-skinned upper-class openly treats the brown-slinned underclass like shit and this gives huge hard-ons to the american right-wing

  22. 22
    jefferylanam

    Did Haaretz change the text of this article? It now says:

    According to passengers on the bus, one of the female passengers asked a woman who was sitting at the front of the bus to move to the rear. While the seated woman did not object, the driver – who heard the conversation – summoned police, who detained the woman who had made the request and her husband, and the bus continued on its way.

    The word “refused” is no longer in the text, only in the headline.

  23. 23
    Wes

    Matt G

    Is it customary for ultra-orthodox Jews to carry hammers?

    I’d be willing to bet that this was a planned attack. Like they grabbed their hammers and went out looking for women to defy them as an excuse to pitch a riot. These sexist assholes were probably just looking for an excuse to “send a message” or some shit like that.

  24. 24
    Tsu Dho Nimh

    According to passengers on the bus, one of the female passengers asked a woman who was sitting at the front of the bus to move to the rear. While the seated woman did not object, the driver – who heard the conversation – summoned police, who detained the woman who had made the request and her husband, and the bus continued on its way.

    This has apparently changed since the first story. Was it asking or telling?

  25. 25
    colnago80

    Re marcus Ranum @ #17

    It’s spelled Kristallnacht.

  26. 26
    colnago80

    Re weppe @ #21

    Shorter weppe: Frankenberger was right.

  27. 27
    doublereed

    Why is America supporting this nation again?

    Uhm. Because the majority of Israelites aren’t like this at all? That’s like painting all Americans by the crazy right-wing we have. Not to mention a lot of crazies over in Israel immigrated from Brooklyn.

  28. 28
    doublereed

    Why is America supporting this nation again?

    Uhm. Because the majority of Israelites aren’t like this at all? It’s not like the police is supporting these thugs. That’s like painting all Americans by the crazy right-wing we have. Not to mention a lot of crazies over in Israel immigrated from Brooklyn.

  29. 29
    MattP (must mock his crappy brain)

    Considering that the article now says the bus driver is the one who called the police and had the woman (and her husband) who “requested” the other woman move to the back of the bus detained, I would expect is was less a request and more a very loud demand.

    I really hate when people modify articles and do not document their revisions.

  30. 30
    Modusoperandi

    slchonda “It’s spelled Kristallnacht.”
    Isn’t that the expensive champagne all the rap starts drink?

  31. 31
    Michael Heath

    Gretchen writes:

    Everyone who believes that God wants women to sit at the back of the bus is invited to live together, in a land where others think just as they do, in peace and freedom and harmony– and no women.

    How I wish that were true. But the regrettable counter is that theologically conservative Christianity and Judaism enjoy approx. equal participation by women. In spite of the fact they’re not treated equally along with being disproportionately, and dishonestly, blamed for both:
    a) there being sin in the world and
    b) males also possessing a sinful nature.
    Those false premises are used as justification for their mistreatment. And yet females remain members of such religions.

  32. 32
    Matt G

    Michael@31 – Why do women attend sexist churches? Why do gays and lesbians attend homophobic churches? It must be something like Stockholm Syndrome.

  33. 33
    colnago80

    Re Matt G @ #32

    A good question to put to Andrew Sullivan.

  34. 34
    andrew3112

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  35. 35
    jthompson

    I love the line ” The driver tried to flee the scene but he couldn’t because they were blocking the bus’ path.”

    No wonder everyone was terrified. Apparently they were so strong they could hold a bus back.

    The first time they get a driver that isn’t shy about dragging them a few blocks, they’ll think twice about trying to block a bus again. Normally I’d hesitate to suggest running people over, but when one is smashing windows with hammers, I’d be worried he’d start smashing passengers with hammers next.

  36. 36
    unbound

    Why is America supporting this nation again?

    Because it is our best foothold in the region filled with oil. And, the enemy of our enemy is our friend (US politicians can’t think much deeper than this).

    Because the majority of Israelites aren’t like this at all?

    Well, for clarity, the majority of Israelites are that extreme. However, the majority of Israelites could care less about the humans in the region that aren’t Jewish. Not exactly endearing people all things considered.

  37. 37
    unbound

    *aren’t that extreme

    Sorry about the typo

  38. 38
    thomasmorris

    @ 26 – Shorter slchonda: “I changed my username, but I’m still a mindless fuckwit! Damn it!”

  39. 39
    steve84

    America supports Israel so it can be destroyed in the apocalypse. If the infidel Muslims control the holy land, Jesus won’t return.

  40. 40
    Trebuchet

    Note: “Slchonda” is the old SLC1, in case you hadn’t noticed from the posting style and knee-jerk Israel defensiveness.

    And a spammer in the same thread! Double plus ungood!

  41. 41
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @21. laurentweppe :

    “Why is America supporting this nation again?”

    Official reason: It’s a tiny democracy populated by the descendants and cousins of holocaust and pogrom survivors and threatened by tyranical neighbours

    “Real” (airquotes added for clarity -ed.] reason: It’s a tiny ethnocracy populated by the descendants and cousins of holocaust and pogrom survivors where the white-skinned upper-class openly treats the brown-slinned (sic -ed.) underclass like shit and this gives huge hard-ons to the american right-wing.

    Never heard of the Shepardhim or Falasha Jews eh, laurentweppe?

    Not all Israelis are white-skinned. Nor are the non-white skinned treated as “shit” in the worlds one and only Jewish nation – Medīnat Yisrā’el.

    Please correct your ignorance and then apologise for your error and reconsider spewing such shallow, bigoted conspiracy theory type thinking here in future.

  42. 42
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    See :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falasha

    for the Falasha (“Ethiopian”) Jews / Israelis.

  43. 43
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    See :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falasha

    for the Falasha. Plus :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephardim#Sephardim.2C_Maghrebim_and_Mizrahim

    for the Sephardhim.

    Israel ain’t all just Ashkenazim Jews you (clearly don’t) know.

  44. 44
    John Phillips, FCD

    SteveO, actually, the non white Jews, such as the Ethiopians, are often treated as second class citizens by many Israelis.

  45. 45
    John Phillips, FCD

    SteveO=StevoR

  46. 46
    democommie

    @45:

    ESPECIALLY the Ethiopians and other “blackish” jews.

  47. 47
    Synfandel

    laurentweppe

    Why is America supporting this nation again?

    Official reason: It’s a tiny democracy populated by the descendants and cousins of holocaust and pogrom survivors and threatened by tyranical neighbours

    Real reason: It’s a tiny ethnocracy populated by the descendants and cousins of holocaust and pogrom survivors where the white-skinned upper-class openly treats the brown-slinned underclass like shit and this gives huge hard-ons to the american right-wing

    Real real reason: It’s a conveniently located platform for exercising US power in the region and it even does the dirty for for the US.

  48. 48
    nrdo

    It’s rather unfortunate that it’s hard to have a thread like this without the ignorant anti-semites and pro Israel hot heads going at it. Israel is perhaps the clearest current example of how religion in all the groups [Jewish, Christian, Muslim and even Mizrahi (non-white) Jews] makes life miserable for just about everyone.

  49. 49
    beezlebubby

    nrdo, I’m not seeing anti-semitism, I’m seeing anti-Israeli policy sentiment. One can despise the conduct of the state without holding personal malice for the people living in it. But yeah, religion really does ruin everything, doesn’t it?

  50. 50
    democommie

    nrdo:

    Bibi is listed as a secular jew by wiki. I don’t see the state of Israel being run by worshippers of any gods but Mammon and Mars.

    I’m an Irish/brit mutt who is not ashamed to be one, but I despise the IRA and hate them for their actions against the people of Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK.

    Anti-semetism and lingering Nazi sympathizing have nothing to do with the observations and arguments of most, if not all, of the commenters who are regulars here.

  51. 51
    Raging Bee

    Real real reason: It’s a conveniently located platform for exercising US power in the region and it even does the dirty for for the US.

    Really? Since when did the US have a base there? And what “dirty work” does Israel do for us that we can’t do ourselves? And what kind of “platform” loudly demands idiotic and unprovoked acts of war from its owner?

    There’s lots of valid and timely criticism of Israel to me made — but pretending they’re a colony or operating arm of US foreign policy is neither valid or timely — it’s just plain lazy and stupid.

  52. 52
    Raging Bee

    And why did the Likudnik chickenhawk formerly known as slc1 suddenly change his handle twice (so far) in one day?

  53. 53
    colnago80

    Re Raging Bee @ #52

    Actually, I changed to slchonda9 to reflect a new email address. I am, indeed, now known as colnago80, reflecting my 1980 model Colnago professional racing bike, now obsolete.

    Re Raging Bee @ #51

    Doesn’t Bee know that Israel is, unofficially, the 51st state?

  54. 54
    nrdo

    Unfortunately, a lot of valid criticism of Israel is mixed in with statements that really conflate the people with the government. I know people who are “right” in many of their critiques who are prejudiced themselves, especially those who applaud the idea of dismantling the state, which would entail significant bloodshed.

    The fact is, Israel is a country of 75% Jews, 20% Muslims and 4% Christians, all of whom vote, and all of whom suffer due to the inordinate and undeserved “respect” that organizations like the various Rabbinate(s), the Muslim Waqf, and even the Christian Churches have managed to build into the status quo system. There is hope though, since outrageous acts like the one Ed describes have definitely, albeit gradually, been showing the secular majorities that indulging religious sentiment never gives good results.

  55. 55
    laurentweppe

    The fact is, Israel is a country of 75% Jews, 20% Muslims and 4% Christians, all of whom vote

    Wrong
    Israel is a country with 49% Jews (including a whole bunch of Atheists who are viewed as Jews by the state by virtue of a grandmother clause), 43% Muslims and 8% “Others” (including Christians and also Atheists not covered by the aforementionned grandmother clause), with more than one third of its inhabitants being curently denied citizenship and kept prisoners in Bantustans by a state dominated by a coalition of parties in favor of commiting an ethnic cleansing.

    This is what will cause bloodshed in the future: sooner or later, every colonial regime -even one whose colonial “empire” is post-stamp-sized ends up exhausting its available ressources trying to protect its ruling class and their assets. One day, the Palestinians will be the strongest ones: because the israeli intellectuals are leaving the ship, because the palestinian diaspora is growing richer while the jewish one will eventually repudiate the state supposed to serve as its safe-haven, because the thugs who compose the vanguard of the current system will keep demanding more privileges and power until their corruption and incompetence sink the country with them…

    Unless it does not go through a massive transformation, and give to its currently oppressed underclass more than dreams of revenge, the bloodshed will become inevitable: the people who are advocating such transformation are most certainly not applauding any idea of “dismantling” it: if that was their goal, they’d just sit back and never try to challenge or criticize the current self-destructive status-quo.

  56. 56
    colnago80

    Re weppe @ #55

    The frog is is fuckken liar. The percentage of Muslims he quotes includes the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, which have not been annexed by Israel. nrdos figures are absolutely correct and accurate and reflect the latest census taken by the Israeli Government.

    Further, the frog neglects the fact that the current government is the most secular in Israel’s history as all the religious parties have been excluded, at the insistence of the coalition partners led by Lapid and Bennett.

    Given the rise of antisemitism in France, the frog had better hope that the State of Israel is still around when he goes looking for a bolthole; we sure don’t want him in the USA.

  57. 57
    colnago80

    Re weppe @ #56

    I’m sure that this fellow is one of weppe’s heroes

    http://www.jpost.com/International/Palestinian-lead-in-Canada-Shoot-Israeli-Jews-if-they-dont-leave-Jerusalem-322145

  58. 58
    Raging Bee

    Just a little protip for slcolnago801: when you make a plausible-sounding point, as you did WRT Israeli demographic stats above, throwing in racist epithets and accusations of genocidal intent make you sound less plausible. A LOT less plausible. If nrdo could bourt out such stats without the bigoted rhetoric, why can’t you echo the same stats without the bigotry?

  59. 59
    colnago80

    Re Raging Bee @ #58

    Hey, at least I didn’t characterize weppe as a JINO.

  60. 60
    nrdo

    Wow, it’s amazing how even a few stats can send people into a blind rage in this issue. The stats I noted don’t include the West Bank Palestinians because even they are not certain what they want their final status to be. Most have not articulated a desire for citizenship. Being secular Zionist, I’m not, in principle, opposed to either a one-state or a two-state outcome but the one-state solution would require a very strong, widely respected and secular constitution to avoid bloodshed.

    Also, I would politely suggest to laurentweppe et al. that you re-examine your conception of Israel as a “colonial regime”. Although there are legitimate analogies between the more bellicose Israeli settlers’ misdeeds and those of colonialism, if you look at the differences (the absence of a mother-country, the extent of Political integration of Muslims in Israel, even the genetic relatedness of Israelis and Palestinians) I think you will realize that the analogy is flawed.

  61. 61
    caseloweraz

    “Oh look, it’s the Jewish version of the Taliban.”

    There are some similarities:

    “The confrontations between ultra-Orthodox and non-Haredi residents of Beit Shemesh on issues of modesty and exclusion of women [have] made the headlines in the past few years, ever since Haredi extremists began spitting at and harassing religious girls, whom they claimed were not dressed modestly enough while making their way to school.” (Grammar corrected.)

    But we should be careful about pushing the analogy too far. Orthodox Jews haven’t killed anybody so far.

    That was my first thought. Then I remembered how Yitzhak Rabin was shot down by a right-winger. I assumed the assassin acted because of Rabin’s opposition to Israeli settlements on the West Bank. But if Wikipedia can be trusted on this event (its article on Rabin is somewhat garbled), the assassin, Yigal Amir, was a radical Orthodox Jew who objected to the Oslo Accords.

    So, yes, it appears this small minority of Israelis is willing to act like the Taliban.

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