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Dumbass Quotes of the Day

As previously noted, the U.S. House of Representatives approved an amendment to this year’s defense appropriations bill that bans the military from appointing humanist chaplains. Howard Friedman has some quotes from the debate on that amendment and some of the Republicans in favor of it were positively reveling in their dumbassery. Like Jim Bridenstine of Oklahoma:

Mr. BRIDENSTINE…. My constituents back in Oklahoma are shaking their heads. The secular left is so invested in ripping God from everything that I must stand here with my friend Dr. Fleming in order to prohibit Obama’s Department of Defense from establishing an oxymoron–atheist chaplains….

Your constituents should be shaking their heads wondering what the hell you’re babbling about. How does the appointment of humanist chaplains “rip God from everything”? No one is suggesting that we eliminate religious chaplains, only that some of them should be non-religious so that the needs of 20% of the military who are not religious can be met.

And from the sponsor of the amendment:

Mr. FLEMING. Mr. Chairman, first of all, with all due respect to my good friend from Colorado, there is no way that an atheist chaplain or atheist whatever can minister to the spiritual needs of a Christian or a Muslim, or a Jew, for that matter….

In the final analysis, I believe that an atheist chaplain would be the last person in the world that we would want for a dying soldier who needs that last moment of counseling in their life.

Funny how he completely rejects the idea that an atheist chaplain could counsel a religious person, yet also believes that a religious chaplain should be able to counsel a non-religious one. A perfect example of Christian privilege — their belief is the default and everyone should accept it at all times. No one else matters.

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  1. says

    Funny how he completely rejects the idea that an atheist chaplain could counsel a religious person, yet also believes that a religious chaplain should be able to counsel a non-religious one.

    Well, of course. Religious (Christian) chaplains are all universally good and understanding, while atheists and humanists are nasty evil people who don’t care about anyone but themselves. They hate religion so how could they possibly counsel someone who is religious. Besides, religion is the *only* source of hope and comfort in the world. An atheist chaplain couldn’t offer that, so what good could they possibly be?

    [/snark]

  2. says

    Argh… hit “Submit Comment” and thought of the most important point at the same time.

    The religious feel themselves and their fellows to be so weak that even the barest exposure to humanist ideas is a threat to their faith. Just as their puny demigod Jesus constantly needs someone to “stand up” for him, these brave congresscritters are taking a bold stand to protect those susceptible soldiers from exposure to evil ideas. It’s the same principle that says that you can’t talk about non-traditional families to young kids — if you do, they’ll catch teh Gay.

  3. Abby Normal says

    With all due respect to the bigot from Louisiana, there are already atheist chaplains who minister to the spiritual needs of a Christians, Muslims, and Jews. Though most of them probably didn’t start out as atheists. They still seem to do the job without anyone even noticing the difference.

  4. caseloweraz says

    Exactly, ArtK — and just as the existence of same-sex marriage is claimed to threaten traditional marriages.

  5. says

    LOOK ED BRATYON IF THIS SOCALLED “20″ PERCENT OF SOLDERS WHO NEED COUNSELING WANT COUNSELING THEY DONT NEED ATHIEST CHAPLAINS WHAT THEY NEED IS RELIGION THEN THEY WONT WANT THESE FAKE CHAPLAINS YOU KEEP PUSHING ON US REAL AMERICANS INSTEAD THEYLL LINE UP FOR THE REAL THING!

  6. iknklast says

    To tell the truth, when I was depressed and was referred to a counselor who turned out to be religious, it just made me more depressed to hear stupidity spouted at me and realize how little I could get from him. The best thing he did for me was realize that and refer me to a counselor that, while a believer, was a totally secular counselor, and never once talked about god(s). In fact, without his being really aware of it, his totally matter of fact and secular way of counseling helped me take that final step of letting go of the few remaining fragments of God that I was trying to hang onto, and that cleared the shards of God-glass out of my brain. It turned out that seemed to have been a large part of my problem, those remaining traces of guilt over things I did that weren’t bad, but were assumed bad by my fundamentalist upbringing.

    Perhaps that same sort of good could happen to some of these believing soldiers if they encountered a counselor who was spiritually neutral and allowed them to explore without the need to preach at them.

  7. exdrone says

    there is no way that an atheist chaplain or atheist whatever can minister to the spiritual needs of a Christian or a Muslim, or a Jew, for that matter

    So roll up your sleeves because we have a lot of work to do here. I hadn’t realized this had gotten so out of hand. First, we’ll prevent this threat from the humanists, then we’ll get rid of the Muslim and Jewish chaplains, then the papists, then the liberal Protestant ones. We’ll get this right, but one thing at a time.

  8. Sastra says

    Question: if a humanist chaplain were the only one available in a battle/war situation, would he or she perform (or need to perform) religious rituals for those who request it — last rites, group prayers, that sort of thing? Do Jewish chaplains do a Catholic mass when the Catholics ask?

    I’m asking because I don’t know.

  9. skinnercitycyclist says

    Sastra, no one but a RCC priest can celebrate Mass. Only they have the ooga-booga.

    And does anyone else detect a whiff of anti-semitism in the formulation:

    there is no way that an atheist chaplain or atheist whatever can minister to the spiritual needs of a Christian or a Muslim, or a Jew, for that matter….

    As though unreflectively we might think, “yeah, an atheist chaplain would be good enough for a Jew,” but on considering it further, hell, it would be inappropriate EVEN FOR JEWS…

    Weirdly (for a right-winger), he seems to be privileging Muslims over Jews.

  10. freehand says

    skinnercitycyclist, yes, I’m pretty sure I heard someone murmuring “even for Jews” when I read that.
    .
    inklast, I hear ya. If you think you’ve gone a week without doing anything wrong, well, that’s arrogance, and that’s a sin. But, if you beat your wife or girlfriend (or boyfriend), just apologize to Jesus and you’ll be alright. Of course you’ll do it again, that’s only natural, but if you just feel bad for Jesus, you’ll be OK again. A secular chaplain might just try to get you to change your behavior or something pagan like that.

  11. Thumper; Atheist mate says

    @Modusoperandi

    A Real Christian™ wouldn’t have used an exclamation mark.

  12. Thumper; Atheist mate says

    @skinnercitycyclist

    Yeah, I got that too. “Oh yeah, and those Jews too; if a God damn christ-Killer has any spiritual needs *Muttley mutter*…”

  13. John Phillips, FCD says

    Thumper; Atheist mate, well if a Real Christian did, there would have been at least three of them.

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