Barton: Beck Isn’t Really Mormon

David Barton has taken some heat from some fundies for his work with Glenn Beck because Beck is a Mormon, but he told Steve Deace recently that Beck isn’t really a Mormon. He’s really a Christian, you see, but he calls himself a Mormon — and does whole shows defending the truth of Mormonism, by the way — because he’s so loyal to them.

They see the label Mormon and they say “ah, I know what that is.” No you don’t. To say a Mormon can’t go to Heaven is like saying every Baptist is going to Heaven. What you have to look at is individuals. And individuals often don’t believe what the rest of the of the group does.

Now, in the case of Glenn – and I’m not going to speak for Glenn, I’ll just speak for what I know about him – Glenn became a Christian back when he was in Alcoholics Anonymous, but when he was up in New England and laying on the floor, curled up, trying to get withdrawal from drugs and alcohol, no Christians reach out to him; it was the Mormon Church that took him under its arm and said ‘hey, let us help you.’ And they just loved on him and they just held him and he’s got a loyalty to them because they’re the people who reached out for him when he really needed help.

So people get stuck over what the label is and my position has been very simple; if I walk up to a tree and it says I’m a banana tree but I keep seeing apples, what do I go by? The label or what I see of the fruit?

And so people again keep getting caught up over labels, but hey, back off the labels, judge the fruit. And there’s going to be things we disagree with and I think you analysis was good is that it’s in development. You know, you look at where he was three years ago and where he is now; a world of difference.

Between Ray Comfort and David Barton, I’m seeing a disconcerting obsession with fruit.

16 comments on this post.
  1. d.c.wilson:

    So, Barton is branching out from lying about dead people being fundamentalist Christians to lying about living people.

  2. bahrfeldt:

    Predatory chameleons, all of them.

  3. Abby Normal:

    He’s got a point. If someone calls himself a historian, but we keep seeing him produce falsehoods, shouldn’t we think of him as a liar, a fraud, a con-man?

  4. Larry:

    no Christians reach out to him; it was the Mormon Church that took him under its arm

    …rim shot!

  5. raven:

    It’s just the wildly popular xian game.

    Who is a True Xian and who is a Fake Xian?

    In times past, the losers ended up as Dead Xians. They’ve fought many a war over this point.

    According to the Southern Baptists, the Mormons are Fake Xians. Mormon’s claim to be the one and only True Xians. They send missionaries to each other’s strongholds to convert each other.

    What unifies them is clear though. They bond through hating the same groups. Hate conquers theology and rules the cults.

  6. julial:

    Liar, Lunatic or Laughable.

    Wait, those aren’t mutually exclusive.

  7. Kengi:

    I thought it was a talking snake in an apple tree, not a talking apple tree. Is this the Bible or Lord of the Rings we are talking about?

  8. Synfandel:

    And they just loved on him…

    Twisted.

  9. Budbear:

    …but hey, back off the labels, judge the fruit.

    I never knew bullshit was a fruit. Go figure.

  10. Pierce R. Butler:

    But did you eat any of those apples, Barton?

  11. Doug Little:

    Glenn became a Christian back when he was in Alcoholics Anonymous, but when he was up in New England and laying on the floor, curled up, trying to get withdrawal from drugs and alcohol,

    Wait, What!?

    I thought back in the 90′s he was raping and killing women.

  12. dugglebogey:

    It’s like the “No True Scotsman” fallacy, only in reverse!

    Well played..

  13. Hercules Grytpype-Thynne:

    I never knew bullshit was a fruit. Go figure.

    Maybe he was referring to horseshit, aka “road apples”

  14. zbeeblebrox:

    “Between Ray Comfort and David Barton, I’m seeing a disconcerting obsession with fruit.”
    Particularly bananas.

  15. suttkus:

    Well, Mormons go around posthumously converting people. Barton is just preposthumously converting Beck so he can be post posthumously reconverted.

  16. Woof:

    Starting popcorn…

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