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  1. says

    Whenever I hear someone talking about Christians needing to have more children to outpace Islam, atheism, or whatever, I headdesk from sensing an enthymeme that religion is genetic and inherent, rather than a learned thing.

  2. Chiroptera says

    Bronze Dog, #1:

    If nothing else, it does seem to be an admission one’s religion is mostly a result of one’s up-bringing rather than a raional conclusion based on obvious evidence or a revelation from the Holy Ghost equally distributed to all.

  3. raven says

    Whenever I hear someone talking about Christians needing to have more children to outpace Islam, atheism, or whatever, I headdesk from sensing an enthymeme that religion is genetic and inherent, rather than a learned thing.

    One group trying to outbreed another group has a history of not working.

    After a few generations, people get tired of it and decide they have better things to do with their lives, time, and money.

    The Mormons tried it and it really hasn’t worked. Same with the Catholic church.

    While the Mormons have large families, they also have a lot of defectors. The LDS church itself estimates that half the members are inactive, apathetic, or just gone. Others say it is higher. There is a huge hole in the bucket they are trying to fill.

  4. says

    “While the Mormons have large families, they also have a lot of defectors.”

    Actually, they don’t even have large families anymore. It’s been several years since I looked at this, but the fertility rate for Mormons was something like 2.3 as opposed to 1.9 for everyone else. Maybe an extra half a kid per couple.

    The Mormon church has apparently seen fit to relax its rules because big families are quite a burden. At least if you don’t score a reality TV series.

  5. lldayo says

    Weird, I was under the impression that the Duggars were out-pacing the Muslims 2-1 by themselves!

  6. iknklast says

    And when the world is so full of people that there are no more land left to grow food to feed them, we’ll just go to hand to hand – two men enter, one man leaves. Wonderful image…

  7. matty1 says

    You know when I first read this I thought the Duggars was some obscure sect like a more political version of the Amish. More seriously I have a cunning plan to get the Muslim birth rate down to level with the Christian one.

    1. Improve the economy in majority Muslim countries. This may require foreign aid.

    2. Advocate in those countries for women’s right to choose how they live including not choosing things like marriage and children. This will also require greater political and social equality so women have other options and western nations will need to practice what they preach.

    3. Make contraception widely available and campaign against any stigma or taboo against using it. This is the really easy one to be honest, the others require a huge amount of work with no guarantee of success but free condoms could be done tomorrow in a lot of places and by the end of the month pretty much everywhere.

    Oddly I don’t think wingnuts would support this plan.

  8. D. C. Sessions says

    The LDS church itself estimates that half the members are inactive, apathetic, or just gone. Others say it is higher.

    They’re more than making up for it with new converts in the graveyard wards.

  9. says

    You don’t know how bad this will be. If this keeps up, the Muslins will abandon self-exploding and will weaponize Muslin babies! You don’t know true terror until you see a baby crawling toward you with a bomb in its diaper!

  10. eric says

    @2 got it right. Saying you need more babies or Christianity will die out is basically admitting your idea can’t survive the marketplace of ideas unassisted.

    @11: I do know that true terror, for some definitions of “bomb.”

  11. iangould says

    The same people who believe Christins are being outbred tend to believe vastly inflated claims about conversions to Christianity – I’ve seen figures like “a million people a day are finding Jesus”.

    If you beleive the latter claim you should shouldn’t care about the former claim.

  12. whheydt says

    Re: matty1 @ #8:

    Actually… The start of the list should go:

    1. install reliable electricity for lights in the evening. Access to educational TV broadcasts is a plus.

    2. Perinatal and pediatric child care to reduce maternal and infant mortality.

  13. grumpyoldfart says

    Referring to the nonsense at the 37 second mark of the video:

    Quick way to calculate 1% of 2,000,000,000 — cross off the last two zeroes. (Internet not required).

  14. matty1 says

    @14 I kind of hid a lot under improving the economy but yes those are good priorities, though I’d rank clean drinking water ahead of electric lights.

  15. abb3w says

    So, they’re trying a high-r strategy in what looks to be a high-K environment? Interesting….

    Given that parental religiosity and generational cohort are known to be some of the biggest factors in adult religious outcome, how larger family size impacts the distribution of child religiosity is hard to study. My best guess, however, is the effect would be relatively small.

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