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Rios: Promiscuous Men Like Obama Behind Abortion

Sandy Rios of the American Family Association had Robert Jeffress on her radio show recently and opined that promiscuous white men — and promiscuous black men like Obama, she declared with no evidence whatsoever — are the ones pushing abortion. Right, that’s why pro-choice rallies are always so full of men and not women.

“It is generally, from my opinion, the promiscuous white men who are pushing abortion,” Rios said. “I would even say the promiscuous black ones like our president, oh forgive me I shouldn’t say that, but they’re the ones who want sexual license, they do not want responsibility; abortion has always helped men more than it helps women.”

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  1. cactuswren says

    This notion has been fairly prevalent in pro-lie circles since the 1990s, when I ran across it in Usenet discussions. The “You only want abortion legal so you can screw all the women you want to, and then duck your responsibilities as a father!” meme was always particularly entertaining when it was leveled at a gay male poster.

  2. says

    I think Sandy may have won a Guinness World Record for the highest ratio misogyny, misandry, sex-negativity and racism per word ever uttered in a single statement about an issue.

  3. thascius says

    Obama? Promiscuous? I would imagine if anyone had any (real) knowledge of an affair the right wing media would have been all over it in 2008 & 2012.

  4. says

    The “You only want abortion legal so you can screw all the women you want to, and then duck your responsibilities as a father!” meme was always particularly entertaining when it was leveled at a gay male poster.

    It’s similar with me, a borderline asexual virgin.

    I also feel obligated to point out the fixation on men as the ones bearing responsibility, as if bearing children is a trivial pastime for women. Of course, any woman that wants to have sex without pregnancy, even within a committed relationship, is a slut in wingnut eyes.

    Of course, the whole responsibility thing gets flipped when rape is involved. Suddenly, the man is just a mindless beast and it’s the woman’s responsible for tempting him, therefore they say she should bear the child.

  5. dugglebogey says

    Despite any evidence to the contrary, there are people that think ALL BLACK MEN and promiscuous. They’re called RACISTS.

  6. says

    I’ve seen this argument a lot. It’s an anti-feminist argument, both overtly and covertly, because it assumes that women who want control over their reproductive capacity (feminists are bad) have been duped into this pro-choice position by manipulative men (women are dumb, or women do not share the same interests as men, or both).

    It assumes that:
    – Women want children, while men do not
    – Having children is not only an appropriate but necessary way to keep a man, and therefore
    – Women who try to gain control over themselves are misguided. Only men have power, only men should have power, and therefore women should do what they can to have influence over them.

    I get the impression that the idea of a woman who wants control over herself, for its own sake (for her own independence) rather than over a man whether through children or otherwise, is mystifying, illogical, and probably depressing to a person who holds these assumptions. Or maybe they explain it by telling themselves we’re all lesbians. But if so, what need would we have for abortions?

    And feminists get accused of being man-haters, but what’s more anti-man than being told we should strive to manipulate them for power or else we’re doing it wrong?

  7. jasmyn says

    Exactly. That’s why Newt Gingrich is such a champion of the pro-choice movement.

  8. wildbill says

    Thank goodness conservatives have fine upstanding men like “diaper” Dave Vitter, Larry “wide stance” Craig, John Ensign, or Scott DesJarlais. None of these men would ever be promiscous or ever have anything to do with abortion.

  9. Loqi says

    I’m deeply troubled by this. You see, I’m pro choice, and if that implies I’m promiscuous, that means there are multiple people having sex with me without my knowledge.

  10. Reginald Selkirk says

    I am for abortion, and I am not promiscuous or black. I jsut think Sandy Rios’ mother should have had an abortion.

  11. says

    This is a huge meme among evangelicals. They assume the real movers and shakers behind abortion are the clinics trying to turn an easy buck and the male horndogs who don’t want to pay child support for nine kids.

    The Men’s Rights Movement has latched onto a similar idea: that the main function of abortion is letting women get out of paying for kids and they want an option for “male abortions” where a man can disavow himself of any responsibility for a pregnancy he caused.

  12. John Pieret says

    Loqi @ 11:

    I’m deeply troubled by this. You see, I’m pro choice, and if that implies I’m promiscuous, that means there are multiple people having sex with me without my knowledge.

    Let me know the address you’d like your internet delivered to.

  13. says

    I thought the right-wing lunasphere already determined that Obama was a gay coke fiend, too busy with gay sex for Benghazi, never mind sex with women.

  14. dogmeat says

    My wife would be very surprised to discover that I’m promiscuous, not quite as surprised as I was to learn this, and probably a lot more angry, but surprised nevertheless.

  15. dingojack says

    Shorter Rios:
    ‘Women are too dumb to make any kind of decision, that’s man’s work. Blaming women for abortions gets us bad press (it’s a VOTE LOSER), if we blame men we won’t look like totally misogynistic assholes!’

    Or something like that.

    Dingo

  16. says

    Dr X“I thought the right-wing lunasphere already determined that Obama was a gay coke fiend, too busy with gay sex for Benghazi, never mind sex with women.”
    This is bigger than any one narrative. OBAMA IS EVERYTHING THAT’S WRONG, even when those wrong things are incompatible. He’s that powerful (also, weak).

  17. Akira MacKenzie says

    Pro-choice, Caucasian, and I only wish I was having sex with any at all. Sadly, being fat, old and ugly is the best kind of birth control out there.

  18. dingojack says

    Akira – “Sadly, being fat, old and ugly is the best kind of birth control out there.
    So I’m gathering you’re relegated to simply using ordinary prophylactics then… ;)
    Dingo

  19. Akira MacKenzie says

    dingojack

    Sure, but I think that the one pack I ever bought are way past their expiration dates. Can anyone here read cuneiform?

    Not that I would ever need them. All a woman has to do is see me and a pregnancy is instantly prevented. Of course, she’d be running out of room, clawing her eyes out from her sockets as she goes and screaming “I CAN STILL SEE HIM!!! THOSE WEREN’T SKIN TAGS, THEY WERE EXTRA HEADS?!?!”

  20. dingojack says

    Comes of having Cthulhu for a dad I guess. :)
    BTW how was Father’s Day? Get him a nice card and some pipe cleaners?
    Dingo

  21. Nick Gotts says

    Obama? Promiscuous? I would imagine if anyone had any (real) knowledge of an affair the right wing media would have been all over it in 2008 & 2012.

    Come now; Obama doesn’t actually have to have sex with anyone other than his wife in order to be promiscuous, any more than he has to have ever had sex with another man in order to be gay.

  22. Michael Heath says

    Modusoperandi writes:

    This is bigger than any one narrative. OBAMA IS EVERYTHING THAT’S WRONG, even when those wrong things are incompatible. He’s that powerful (also, weak).

    This reminds me of the incoherent Christian narrative regarding their supposed God’s supposed omnipotence and supposed looming judgment. Where this supposed god’s also supposedly far too frail to confront sin, which somehow justifies his supposedly condemning the unsaved for all eternity.

    If Christians were honest and stopped treating their belief system’s distinguishing assertions as fact, e.g., my pedantic use of “supposed” above, even many of them would begin to realize how absurd their narrative is when exposed to:
    1) honesty and,
    2) facts.
    A person hardly requires any reason to determine the credibility of Christian dogmatic claims, just those two elements.

  23. says

    I used to be promiscuous (as were all of the women with whom I promiscued) . I was pro-choice. I remain pro-choice in my ae-gettin’laid dotage.

    While I’m on the rant. “Pro-choice” is an accurate descriptor, it implies only that women should be able to make and responsible for their decisions regarding pregnancy*. “Pro-life”, otoh, implies that women should ALWAYS defer to competent authority (men, specifically tyrannical KKKristianist asshole men) without really giving a fuck about the babeez themselves. Witness the attempts by the “Pro-lifers” in Congress to defund any program that actually HELPS mothers and children.

    “This reminds me of the incoherent Christian narrative regarding their supposed God’s supposed omnipotence and supposed looming judgment.”

    And why, given its position as the Sodomgommorah of iron-wheeled chariot manufacturing is Detroit not simply a smoking crater?

    * There are outliers, of course.

  24. Pierce R. Butler says

    “It is generally, from my opinion, the promiscuous white men who are pushing abortion,” Rios said.

    They must’ve sent out a new memo – the old one maintained that pro-choice men want to cover up evidence of their relationships with 14-year-old girls.

    Maybe the obvious comebacks about priests finally got through to them…

  25. abb3w says

    @1, cactuswren:

    This notion has been fairly prevalent in pro-lie circles since the 1990s, when I ran across it in Usenet discussions.

    There is some correlation; data in the General Social Survey indicates those who have had sex more partners in the last year tend to be more supporting for legality of “any reason” abortion. However, that trend remains true regardless of race or sex, correlation is not causation, and there are plenty of outliers from the trend.

    Contrariwise, there’s an interesting subset of people who in the last year had no partners (either men or women) for sex, but had sex at least once per month — and tending to be very opposed to abortion. Which would suggest abortion opponents are disproportionately likely to be liars too stupid to keep their story consistent, or not worried about the sheep getting pregnant.

  26. shay says

    Y’all are terrible at circular logic. Only promiscuous men are pro-choice. The President is pro-choice.

    Ergo, the President is promiscuous.

  27. Gigi Suvari says

    “Sandy Rios of the American Family Association had Robert Jeffress on her radio show…” Rios and Jeffress? All you need is Santrorum to round it off and you’d have a triple-header of lunacy.

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