Gallagher: SCOTUS Declares War on Half of Americans »« Apparently, I’m AAA

Dumbass Quote of the Day

JT flags an essay by Joyce Meyer, a televangelist con woman getting very rich by fleecing her congregation, about how she managed to eradicate reason from her life with the help of Almighty Gawd-ah. Just read this staggering introduction to the essay:

Many Christians live in the shallow area of their soul—they live by what they want, think and feel. That’s where I was for a good part of my early years as a Christian. But thankfully, God didn’t leave me there. He began calling me to come out into the deep—to begin following the leading of His Spirit instead of the dictates of my flesh.

God dealt strongly with my emotions and my will. Then He moved to the area of my mind, where I had some major strongholds of wrong thinking that needed to be changed—reasoning being one of the worst. I was a person who was heavily into reasoning, always trying to figure out the “why” behind something and planning excessively for what was ahead. But one day God required me to give it up. He showed me that reasoning is the opposite of trust and that I couldn’t do both at the same time. He then led me to some specific scriptures that opened my eyes to the condition of my mind and showed me what I needed to do to bring about change.

It’s kind of refreshing to hear her admit that reasoning and faith can’t be done at the same time, though.

Comments

  1. coragyps says

    Echoes of Martin Luther’s “Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has…”

  2. markr1957 says

    A certain Mr. Benjamin Franklin had an opinion on this subject – in the form of “The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason”

  3. raven says

    Joyce Meyers:

    reasoning being one of the worst. I was a person who was heavily into reasoning,

    She is just copying Martin Luther, antisemitic, misogynistic, reason hating, kook. It’s not the least bit an original thought.

    Martin Luther:

    Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but — more frequently than not — struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.

    Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and … know nothing but the word of God.

    There is on earth among all dangers no more dangerous thing than a richly endowed and adroit reason…

    Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed.

    Martin Luther, quoted by Walter Kaufmann, The Faith of a Heretic, (Garden City, NY, Doubleday, 1963), p. 75

    1. Reason brought us from the stone age to the space age.

    2. Mostly religion just got in the way. It still gets in the way whenever it can. One of the main hates of the fundies is science and scientists. They aren’t too keen on education either. Because kids might…learn something.

    Choosing between reason and mindless malevolent superstition is easy. For most of us anyway.

  4. raven says

    Can you reason your way out of reasoning?

    Well, she is claiming she just did that.

    Although, I doubt it was that hard. It doesn’t look like that was ever much of a concern of hers.

  5. eric says

    Agree with @3: this is just a typical ‘once was lost, now am found’ story. Pretty much every evangelical is required to come up with one, even if they’ve been a believer all their life, and these stories are not trustworthy.

  6. Chiroptera says

    Me, I’m guessing that at one point she realized that a core tenet of her cherished beliefs couldn’t be justified through reason and dumped the reasoning rather than the tenet.

  7. John Hinkle says

    He showed me that reasoning is the opposite of trust…

    It’s at this point that a moderately intelligent person would say to himself, “Self, is God really showing me that, or am I just fucked in the head?”

  8. peterh says

    @# 12:
    “Reasoning – or rationalization?”

    How about grasping at evangelically correct straws?

  9. jaybee says

    My favorite hypothetical to pose to someone advocating for faith above reason is this:

    One day a stranger approaches you on the street and you begin talking. After a few moments of conversation they say: I am God returned to earth. You must abandon your home, your family, you money, and follow me. Not tomorrow, not next week, but now. If you don’t, you will lose the kingdom of heaven.

    Do you have faith and follow this person, or do you use reason to figure out if following him is the right course of action? Nobody has claimed they would simply follow the stranger, but if they did, I have my next line of reasoning ready: “I am God returned to earth. You must abandon … etc”

  10. Michael Heath says

    jaybee,

    The answer is obvious. God performs miracles that proves he’s God. They you know you must submit your will to him. Of course that’s also why all these stories happened thousands of years ago, because they never fucking happened.

  11. says

    “about how she managed to eradicate reason from her life with the help of Almighty Gawd-ah.”

    I’ll go out on a limb here. I’m guessing that in the instant case, divine intervention was not required.

  12. kermit. says

    These “I was a liberal/rational person/self-indulgent sinner but now I’m saved” stories show that the person relating them nearly always misunderstands (and therefore misunderstood) what reasoning, science, liberal political values, or even joy are all about. In this case, for instance, I wonder about the “excessive planning” she mentions. Why is planning ahead more rational than not? Many authoritarians evangelicals plan ahead in great detail, and many rational people live days or even years reacting rather spontaneously to events or impulses. As for figuring out the why, sometimes the most rigid and ill-informed people need explanations for things, but they aren’t necessarily correct. US Tea Baggers typically have explanations for everything. What they don’t have is an ability to accept ambiguity when the evidence is insufficient, nor the ability to give up cherished beliefs as necessary (AKA learning as an adult).
    .
    This doesn’t necessarily mean they are lying; many evangelicals think that the days they spent in college getting drunk and sleeping late on Sunday mornings actually did mean that they were atheists. (Shrug) Some of them are just pig ignorant, but that’s different from lying. We’ve certainly seen that most of them do not understand science.

  13. Akira MacKenzie says

    kermit @ 20

    This doesn’t necessarily mean they are lying; many evangelicals think that the days they spent in college getting drunk and sleeping late on Sunday mornings actually did mean that they were atheists.

    Throw in playing 70s-era AD&D to that list and swap out “atheists” for “Satanists” and you’ve described my fundie uncle.

Leave a Reply