Bradlee Dean’s Latest Bit of Stupid

Bradlee Dean really is a special kind of stupid. In his latest Worldnutdaily column, he puts his utter cluelessness on stark display. He seems baffled by the concept of public opinion polling and can’t seem to figure out why a polling company would ask people about two recent Supreme Court decisions. He also can’t seem to understand that public opinion changes over time.

I was absolutely humored by the blatancy of the propagandists who promulgate lies through the state-run media outlet USA Today this week. Their front-page headline was “Same-sex marriage at record approval.” How did that happen? The sub-headline was an odd distraction: “Polls find more discord with court’s decision on race.” What does race have to do with same-sex marriage?

Gee Bradley, I don’t know. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the Supreme Court handed down very controversial decisions on consecutive days, one having to do with race and voting rights and two of them having to do with marriage equality. Is it really so odd that a pollster would ask people how they feel about those decisions in a single poll? This isn’t “propaganda,” it’s really quite normal and reasonable. Only in your festering mind would it be seen as the least bit odd.

They continuously push lies to establish oppression in hopes that the American people will fall victim to their lies. They attempt to produce hopelessness for those who stand on the side of America’s God-given constitutional republic.

We took the time to go straight to the source and ask the author of the USA Today article, Susan Page, how many people took the poll. “There were 1,003 adults polled by landline and cell phone.” We responded, “As a thinking citizen, how [does] polling 1,003 adults in this country become a staple of what the majority of America thinks?”

Page replied, “Well, that’s a fair point. But we rely on polling (and sample sizes of 1,000 or so) to track the temperature of citizens.”

She then claimed that those who take the polls are “randomly selected, then weighted for demographic size.” The article does not specify who took the poll, the demographic chosen, or where these polls were taken. Yet the title of this article is completely misleading the public by stating that America supports same-sex marriage by a “record majority,” which is completely deceptive!

Uh, what? This is how polling is done. It’s been that way for a long, long time. Do you suppose Dean throws this kind of tantrum over polls that show his beliefs in the majority? Of course not. Yet his arguments apply to any poll ever taken.

Firstly, knowing that America is a nation established under the umbrella of Christianity with 32 states that have voted to ban homosexual marriage, the results of this poll is highly suspicious.

Secondly, the good people of California voted – not once, but twice – to ban homosexual marriage.

Yeah. See, that was in 2008. In five years, public opinion has shifted quite dramatically on this issue. Last year, the pro-marriage equality side went 4 for 4 in public referendums in the states. And poll after poll after poll shows exactly the same trend. I know you don’t want that to be true, but it doesn’t magically make that reality disappear to soothe your fears.

There was also an overwhelming turnout at a rally in support of traditional, God-ordained marriage during the Supreme Court hearings on DOMA and Prop. 8 in March that, of course, the state-run media chose not to cover.

No, actually. It got lots of coverage. And it was hardly an “overwhelming turnout.” It was, in fact, far smaller than the organizers predicted and wanted. You gotta love wingnuts; if reality doesn’t fit their narrative, they just invent a totally new reality.

28 comments on this post.
  1. Trebuchet:

    …the results of this poll is highly suspicious.

    And Bradlee Dean are a moron.

  2. RickR:

    I wonder what NOM will think of this?

    http://www.joemygod.blogspot.com/2013/07/orson-scott-card-pleads-for-tolerance.html

  3. dingojack:

    Hey Bradley – perhaps you could perform a public service, by correcting their erroneous figures on a website. Maybe you could call it ‘unskewedpolls.com
    @@
    Dingo

  4. matty1:

    The article does not specify who took the poll, the demographic chosen, or where these polls were taken.

    Umm, it does specify who took the poll.

    The poll by Princeton Survey Research Associates questioned 1,003 adults from Thursday through Sunday. It has a margin of error of +/-3.6 percentage points

    What’s more if Bradlee had followed this subtle clue and tracked down the pollsters own website he would have found a brief news piece that specified the interviews were “national sample of 1,003 adults age 18 or older, including 503 cell phone interviews.”

    So of the three questions.

    Who carried out the poll – the answer is in the article
    Where was it carried out – nationally across the United States, this is clear from the pollsters own site and USA Today probably assumed it was too obvious to spell out.
    What was the demographic chosen- I’ll give half a point on this they don’t specify how they ensured the sample was demographically representative but given references in the article like “The only major demographic groups in which a majority oppose same-sex marriage are Republicans (68%) and seniors 65 and older (51%).” we can rule out the implication that they only asked ssm supporters.

  5. Hercules Grytpype-Thynne:

    He also seems baffled by his native language. “I was absolutely humored”?

  6. Modusoperandi:

    Think the DOMA decision is bad? You should see what MSNBC and Rachel Maddow did to Bradlee Dean. Help in his lawsuit against them. Stand for America and get your free gift. (fm the link, emphasis mine)

    Did you know that you can Stand For America by paying off Bradley Dean’s legal bills?

  7. Hercules Grytpype-Thynne:

    @Dingo

    You may thinking of the wrong Dean. The unskewedpolls guy was Dean Chambers.

  8. gshelley:

    He thinks that a poll showing increased support for SSM marriage must be wrong because of the levels it was at five years ago?

  9. Trebuchet:

    Oh crap. #1 is my worst blockquote fail ever.

  10. Modusoperandi:

    Hercules Grytpype-Thynne “He also seems baffled by his native language. ‘I was absolutely humored’?”
    When I was younger I crossed the road without checking, and a car came a long and absolutely humored me.
     
    Trebuchet “Oh crap. #1 is my worst blockquote fail ever.”

    #1 are my worst blockquote fail eve.r

  11. oranje:

    “I was absolutely humored…”

    It’s like he writes what he wants to say, and then changes every word with a thesaurus.

  12. dingojack:

    Nope, – Bradley sorely needs* to follow the stellar success of Dean the Magnificent at predicting the will of the people!.
    Dingo
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    * or perhaps he’d be ‘humored’ to do so. Or was he thinking of ‘hummus,’ or maybe ‘humus’… ?

  13. Zeno:

    People are often innumerate, but few are so statistically ignorant and paranoid as the right-wing. Here’s a classic bit of idiocy from Phyllis Schlafly, who wrote this all the way back in 1964 about Mervin Field’s California Poll:

    The unscientific nature of the polls was revealed by Marvin [sic] D. Field, formerly with the Gallup poll and now head of one of the polls which picked Rockefeller to beat Goldwater in the California primary, who admitted to the press that he polled only 256 out of the 3,002,038 registered Republicans in California. He thus based his prediction on .000085 of Republican voters.

    This is from my blog post “A primer on polling.”

  14. billydee:

    To whom does “As a thinking citizen” refer? Bradlee has never done any thinking in his life.

  15. d.c.wilson:

    RickR:

    So Orson Scott Card now wants tolerance because it may impact the ticket sales of Ender’s Game? Shocking.

    Hercules Grytpype Thyme:

    Dean looks like someone who would be baffled by the instructions on a stop sign.

  16. Trebuchet:

    @Modus, #10: You’ve made my day!

  17. kermit.:

    So, Bradlee [sic] Dean can read and do ‘rithmetic, but can’t understand what he reads, nor does he grasp the most fundamental and elementary concepts of polling and representative sampling. i cannot imagine the fear and confusion such a mind must feel in a complicated and changing world. If the world were static, he would have a hard enough time creating an internal map that kinda sorta works. But with the world transmogrifying before our eyes, and the various ways of changing interacting, he must be totally lost. Yeesh. I’d feel sorry for him if he weren’t so hateful and otherwise disagreeable.

  18. Randomfactor:

    “I was absolutely humored…”

    Black bile, presumably.

  19. whheydt:

    Re: RickR @ #2:

    Interesting. I didn’t know that OSC was on the board of NOM.

    While I’ve read a lot of SF, I haven’t read OSC, not having any interest in warmed over, reworked Mormon mythology. Given OSCs prior comments about gays, I’ve never even been tempted to read his works, anyway.

    As for a movie based on Enders Game, it isn’t a boycott if one wasn’t planning to see it in the first place.

  20. cottonnero:

    Expanding on the innumeracy of conservative nutburgers (and Schlaflys (Schlaflies?) in particular), Andrew “Conservapedia” Schlafly has some sort of problem with imaginary numbers and the complex plane. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conservapedia:Conservapedian_mathematics#A_digression_on_complex_numbers

    And Maggie Koerth-Baker, who grew up in a fundamentalist environment, wrote an article about the problem some fundies have with set theory: http://boingboing.net/2012/08/07/what-do-christian-fundamentali.html

  21. Bronze Dog:

    That’s an interesting tidbit about their attitude towards complex numbers, cottonnero. Can’t exactly say that I’m surprised, though. I suppose it’s the modern day equivalent to the irrational square root of 2 and the dodecahedron.

  22. JustaTech:

    What’s up with the description of USA Today as “state-run media”? Last I checked (on Wikipedia), USA Today is a corporation, not a branch of the federal government. Just ’cause it has “USA” in the name doesn’t make it part of the government.

    I guess he figures saying “state-run” makes it bad because Iran has “state-run” media. Or something.

  23. John Hinkle:

    Firstly, knowing that America is a nation established under the umbrella of Christianity with 32 states that have voted to ban homosexual marriage…

    Skipping over the umbrella nonsense, I’d bet most of those 32 states banned homosexual marriage via their state legislatures. Republican state legislatures. Republican state legislatures with gerrymandered districts. Sure, that’s your representative will-o-the people right there.

    I think Dean is channeling Vizini: “Ever heard of Plato? Socrates? Morons.”

  24. d.c.wilson:

    JustaTech@22:

    “State run” is wingnutese for “Doesn’t print anti-Obama conspiracy theories on every page.”

  25. Abby Normal:

    I was absolutely humored…

    …like petulant a child.

  26. Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant):

    I know you don’t want that to be true, but it doesn’t magically make that reality disappear to soothe your fears

    When all you have is a willingness to reject reality and substitute your own…

  27. imthegenieicandoanything:

    NO, actually, I don’t “gotta love ‘em” at all. I’ve got to remind myself that the satisfaction I imagine I would have in grabbing them, two at a time, by their greasy, evil chicken necks and strangling them is a stupid, counterproductive fantasy unworthy of me as a simple human being.

    If they were not harming others and destroying the planet, out of sheer stupidity and spite, I’d feel they were, by living an entire human lifetime locked in their ugly, filthy, dark, twisted mental prisons, being punished enough for being unable to recognize its fuckin’ door is always open.

  28. jameshanley:

    “As a thinking citizen, how [does] polling 1,003 adults in this country become a staple of what the majority of America thinks?”

    I know I’m not adding anything new to the discussion, but as a guy who teaches this stuff, the stupid just makes my brain hurt. I’m not surprised, but I am infuriated, that none of these ignorant dolts actually learned anything from the Nate Silver affair. Even Dean Chambers, who initially admitted he was wrong and Silver was right waited only a few days before going back to the same old nonsense.

    On second thought, they’re not ignorant. Ignorance is excusable, just a lack of knowledge. But rejection of the knowledge, a willful refusal to acquire the knowledge, out of fear of what it will show you, that’s not excusable. It’s just yellow-bellied cowardice.

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