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Jul 06 2013

Dumbass Quote of the Day

David Barton and Rick Green had Baptist minister Danny Holliday on the Wallbuilders radio show earlier this week. Holliday was active in the fight against marriage equality in Illinois. And he has one of the most warped interpretations of the First Amendment you’re ever going to see:

It’s not about the character or integrity of people who are gay, it’s not about them. The issue is God defined marriage and since our Constitution, our Declaration of Independence and the oath of office in the state of Illinois recognize almighty God, then we have no right to disregard what God says about the institution of marriage. They don’t have a right to step beyond the veil, that separation of church and state, because it is God who gives us religious freedom and not the state.

Wow. Holliday actually believes that separation of church and state requires a theocracy. But by his “reasoning,” worship of other gods would be illegal too because the Bible says God frowns upon that too. Not the brightest knife in the drawer, this one.

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  1. 1
    Chiroptera

    It’s not about the character or integrity of people who are gay…

    That is true. People are now beginning to realize that it’s about the character and integrity of the bigots.

  2. 2
    Matthew White

    Illinois’s oath of office makes no mention of God (just like the Presidential oath of office).

  3. 3
    Modusoperandi

    Holliday actually believes that separation of church and state requires a theocracy.”

    Obviously. It’s right there in the Supremacy Clause of the KJV.
     

    But by his ‘reasoning,’ worship of other gods would be illegal too because the Bible says God frowns upon that too.”

    Obviously. Look, it’s “Freedom of Religion”, not “Freedom from Religion”. And religions other than mine don’t count, because they aren’t religions. They’re pagan cults. So you’re stuck with State approved and State mandated religion. Happily for all involved, it happens to be mine. And if history is any guide, demographics never change, so I never have to worry about screwing myself.
    And also the First Amendment says that you can’t criticize me.

  4. 4
    dingojack

    ‘… not the sharpest knife in the draw…’
    Dingo

  5. 5
    patricksimons

    The ‘Wall Builders’ have successfully walled themselves off from reason, and bolted the door from the inside.

  6. 6
    eddarrell

    David Barton could screw up a drink of water. At his site this weekend, in honor of July 4, he takes one of John Adams’s most famous quotes (about celebrating Independence day on July 2), and cuts it up.

    http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2013/07/05/even-when-hes-almost-correct-david-barton-doctors-his-accounts-of-history-to-make-them-false-misquoting-john-adams/

    What in the hell goes on in that mind of his?

    Somebody catch him and take away his ice pick. He must be self-lobotomizing.

    No, that’s an insult to victims of lobotomy. I apologize.

  7. 7
    Chiroptera

    …then we have no right to disregard what God says about the institution of marriage.

    What does he say? That if our wife is too old to conceive a son, then it’s perfectly alright to bed one of her slaves?

  8. 8
    cptdoom

    Wonder if Barton realizes he just declared Mitt Romney’s marriage invalid. After all, the Christian God did not create Mormon “eternal marriage.”

  9. 9
    cptdoom

    Sorry, wrong guy – Holliday, not Barton

  10. 10
    John Pieret

    cptdoom @ 9:

    Sorry, wrong guy – Holliday, not Barton

    Don’t worry, every other wingnut is going to say it sooner or later.

    Chiroptera @ 7:

    What does he say? That if our wife is too old to conceive a son, then it’s perfectly alright to bed one of her slaves?

    Not just alright, but you (and your dick) will go down as “holy,” the father of the ‘people of the covenant’!

  11. 11
    theguy

    I guess by “separation of church and state” they mean that some things are within their “god’s” influence, such as marriage (which they assert was created by god, without any evidence).

    So if the government “redefines” (hate that term) marriage, then it’s infringing on god’s sphere of influence.

    The problem, of course, is that god, even if he exists, wouldn’t have the right to limit marriage. The legal definition of marriage is within the government’s sphere of influence, and the religious definition (with no legal impact) is within the church’s sphere of influence.

    Of course, Barton and co. don’t believe in separation of church and state. When they talk of “limited government” it really means that government is limited to doing exactly what they say, and nothing else. It has nothing to do with human rights.

    Besides, a god that damns people eternally for believing differently is a god who is opposed to religious freedom.

  12. 12
    Modusoperandi

    theguy “Besides, a god that damns people eternally for believing differently is a god who is opposed to religious freedom.”
    People not believing in Him really hurts His feelings. And then, defensively, He lashes out. So really, it’s the non-believer’s fault.

  13. 13
    exdrone

    it is God who gives us religious freedom

    So does this koan reveal that Holliday is a closet Buddhiist?

  14. 14
    Randomfactor

    Unfortunately, “separation of church and state” these days mostly is interpreted as “your laws can’t TOUCH us.”

  15. 15
    dan4

    @14…”your laws can’t TOUCH us.”

    Huh? Care to elaborate on this “interpretation?”

  16. 16
    bad Jim

    See, for example, the Catholic Church regarding laws against child molestation, or their resistance, as well as that of companies with evangelical Christian ownership, to the mandate that contraception be provided for free as preventive medical care.

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