Graham’s Irrelevant Statement


One of the amusing arguments coming from the anti-gay bigots is the one to the effect that the government has no right to change what God has ordained. Franklin Graham released a statement following the Supreme Court’s marriage rulings making exactly that argument:

While I sharply disagree with the Supreme Court’s decision on these two marriage cases, when it comes to issues involving God’s laws, it doesn’t ultimately matter what I or anyone else thinks about a court’s ruling. It was God who created and defined marriage, and any person or institution that attempts to redefine it is ultimately challenging Him.

We who call ourselves followers of Christ must strive to love others with the same love He has shown us—even when we have fundamentally different beliefs about such matters as the definition of marriage. I believe that all people are entitled to respect and are within the reach of God’s love, but I do not believe any of us is entitled to rearrange God’s divine order for the universe and its inhabitants—all of which He created and sent His Son to die for.

But you see, God doesn’t get a vote on this (or anything else, for that matter). And if he’s so upset about it, why doesn’t he do something about it? I mean, millions and millions of people were praying that the Supreme Court would not rule the way they did, but their imaginary friend didn’t do a damn thing. They might as well have tossed salt over their shoulder, sprinkled chicken blood around the Supreme Court building or called on an invisible leprechaun to attack them. Nothing happened. Because none of these supernatural things actually exist.

Comments

  1. Reginald Selkirk says

    Salt exists. I’ve seen it. So does chicken blood. I don’t know where you’re going with this.

  2. Chiroptera says

    Title: Graham’s Irrelevant Statement

    Well, to be honest, if you think that public policy ought to be based on reasoned argument based on observable facts, then pretty much all of what the contemporary conservatives say is irrelevant.

  3. matty1 says

    it doesn’t ultimately matter what I or anyone else thinks about a court’s ruling

    I believe that all people are entitled to respect

    How very true.

    Quote mining is fun

  4. eric says

    any person or institution that attempts to redefine it is ultimately challenging Him.

    “Therefore what God has joined together, let no man put asunder.” Evangelical protestant hypocrisy on the issue of “redefining marriage” is nothing if not consistent. Its worth noting that Graham publicly supported twice-divorced Gingrich for president.

  5. John Pieret says

    when it comes to issues involving God’s laws, it doesn’t ultimately matter what I or anyone else thinks about a court’s ruling. It was God who created and defined marriage, and any person or institution that attempts to redefine it is ultimately challenging Him.

    Yeah! We should give up medicine too and just cast out demons like Jesus did.

  6. katie says

    I presume the Graham family won’t be enjoying cheeseburgers or grilled shrimp tomorrow then? No?

  7. tbp1 says

    And of course, at no point in history have Christians actually agreed with each other about exactly what “God’s laws” even are (and even if they point at the same scriptures, they interpret them in completely different ways). Countless wars have been fought, and countless lives lost, over theological disputes. Christians have been saying other Christians aren’t really Christians for as long as there have been Christians. If they’d get their own house in order first, I might take them a little more seriously. Maybe.

  8. Michael Heath says

    Ed writes:

    I mean, millions and millions of people were praying that the Supreme Court would not rule the way they did, but their imaginary friend didn’t do a damn thing.

    Weird type of friendship. Blindly, slavishly, and childishly submit or suffer an eternity of unimaginable torment.

    I saw a bumper sticker earlier today that read, Jesus paid for yours sins. Who did he supposedly pay and what if he hadn’t; what then?

    Incoherency is an attribute of Christianity, extending even beyond the truly ridiculous conservative Christians.

  9. kermit. says

    I’m sure that Graham thinks leprechauns do exist. He would say that they were demons. All of the false gods and many of the magical creatures are or were real, but they are demons in disguise. What better way to trick a decent fellow in Mumbai or Beijing away from Jesus than by pretending to be a god leading them on the path of righteousness? This is what I had been taught.
    .
    Of course as a kid I wondered why the Southern Baptists around me thought they should be immune from this kind of trickery. I also wondered what kind of god would punish people for all eternity for being tricked by a magical entity who could create illusions.
    .
    As it turns out, luckily for us all, an imaginary one.

  10. jaybee says

    tbp1 said: “Christians have been saying other Christians aren’t really Christians for as long as there have been Christians”

    My anecdote is going to lose some punch as I don’t recall who said it, but a few days ago some public person was asked if perchance they were Catholic. That person replied, no, they were Christian. It wasn’t even intended as a dig; he was just so couched in his intellectual hidey-hole the were unaware that they just claimed that Christianity didn’t exist, apparently, until Martin Luther fixed things.

  11. says

    eric “Evangelical protestant hypocrisy on the issue of ‘redefining marriage’ is nothing if not consistent. Its worth noting that Graham publicly supported twice-divorced Gingrich for president.”
    To be fair, Gingrich had to get divorced twice, on account of all that adultery.

  12. peterh says

    “What god has defined and ordained” is as malleable as a politician’s marching tune. For example, the more-or-less-super-hero who had to marry his intended’s sister and be a servant to her father for seven years before he could marry his “true love” who by that point was his sister-in-law? And one of the pillars of Jewish history had how many hundreds of wives and how many hundreds of concubines? Comical, these definitions and ordainings.

  13. says

    What I love about the “America is incurring God’s wrath” blather is that it completely ignores all of the unsmited countries that have recognized same sex marriage for several years now.

    Is Yahweh waiting until he can smite each country alphabetically?

  14. busterggi says

    “Graham’s Irrelevant Statement ”

    So? Now if Graham ever makes a relevant statement THAT will be a story.

  15. had3 says

    Doesn’t god’s law unambiguously state that people shall not worship other gods before him? Yet the framers of the constitution and every SCOTUS ruling says that people do have the option. Why aren’t the fundies protesting those insults to god’s law? I know that consistency is too much to ask, but jtfc, just once…

  16. slc1 says

    Re eric @ #4

    Don’t you know that the Raping Children Church declared both of Gingriches’ previous 2 marriages annulled so, according to them,he has never been married.

  17. samgardner says

    You know, though these statements are “amusing” from one perspective, with the number and the irrationality of them I’m beginning to find myself less and less amused. And more and more disgusted. I don’t really find his statement amusing, I find it revolting and vile.

  18. tbp1 says

    @1& Yes, somehow they always find a way to exempt themselves and their allies. Like Santorum authorizing an abortion for his wife but calling it something else, even though everyone knew exactly what the result would be: a dead fetus and a living wife. It was absolutely the right choice, but one he proposes to deny to everyone else.

  19. Robert Harvey says

    And it’s really clear to determine what god has ordained, which is why there is exactly one religion.

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