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Jun 28 2013

Fischer: Unconstitutional to Allow Marriage Equality

Bryan Fischer is nothing if not entirely consistent in his ability to be hypocritical and absurd. In anticipation of the Supreme Court’s rulings in the two marriage equality cases, he says governors should refuse to comply with a ruling in favor of equality because it would be unconstitutional. Why? Because it would end self-government.

Anything short of upholding DOMA, anything short of upholding Prop 8 in California will be a setback for the rule of law, it will be a setback for a constitutional form of government; in fact you can just eliminate the first three words of the Constitution: “We the people.” That will be utterly meaningless if the Supreme Court does not uphold Prop 8 and does not uphold DOMA, period. Anything short of that and the American people have been robbed of the capacity and the right and the authority to be a self-governing people…

If the states were to do it, the thirty states that have marriage amendments say, ‘fine, the Supreme Court has issued its ruling, we’re going to ignore it, they have exceeded their authority, we have no obligation. In fact, if we recognize their ruling, we give credence to it, then we are violating the Constitution because the Constitution gives them no authority to do that to us so we have compounded their unconstitutional act with an unconstitutional act of our own.

So naturally, Fischer must have been infuriated that the Supreme Court overturned the Voting Rights Act, which was adopted nearly unanimously in both houses of Congress, right? That means that “the American people have been robbed of the capacity and the right and the authority to be a self-governing people,” right? Of course not. You see, when the Supreme Court overturns a law that he agrees with, like DOMA or Prop 8, that’s an outrageous action that destroys self-government. When he disagrees with the law, however, like health care reform, that totally doesn’t destroy self-government. For special, magic, lucky, convenient reasons that he’d rather not spell out because he’d look like even more of an idiot than he does already.

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  1. 1
    Michael Heath

    The depths in defective thinking coming out of the conservative Christian movement continues to amaze me. You’d think I’d become jaded to the point they’d cease to surprise me. Yet their ability to avoid cognitive dissonance and avoid/deny reality points to a level of delusion I presumed would be impossible unless such a person is unable to care for themselves.

  2. 2
    democommie

    I think that being forced to listen to Brian Fischer would prolly violate the Eighth Amendments prohibitions against “Cruel and unusual” punishment.

  3. 3
    Chiroptera

    The funny thing is, Windsor only applies to the federal government and Hollingsworth only affects California. The other states can ignore these all they want!

  4. 4
    slc1

    Re Michael Heath @ #1

    This assumes that Fisher and his ilk actually believe this crap. I doubt that they do, they’re just rabble rousing their followers to send them more money. It’s a scam and their credulous followers fall for it, just like the credulous followers of astrology fall for that scam.

  5. 5
    anubisprime

    They have perfected the bottomless scraping barrel, each scrape seems logically, ethically, morally, utterly impossible, but they manage it with awesome ease…they perform the impossible time and time again then they saunter back and scrape deeper…this is ad infinitum, it is a mystery of modern dumbfuckery…they must have a ‘Time And Relative Dimension In Space’ barrel, it is the only explanation!…they have not, nor apparently never will, actually hit the rock bottom of that barrel.

  6. 6
    matty1

    Actually they long ago broke through the bottom of the barrel, tunnelled through the earth and are currently barrelling (ha) along into interstellar space.

  7. 7
    marcus

    “…because he’d look like even more of an idiot than he does already.
    I’m not sure this is even possible!

  8. 8
    John Pieret

    I’m not sure this is even possible!

    But it won’t stop him from trying.

  9. 9
    CaitieCat, getaway driver

    But it won’t stop him from trying.

    Yeah, he’s the Little Talib That Could.

  10. 10
    Scr... Archivist

    anubisprime @5,

    …they must have a ‘Time And Relative Dimension In Space’ barrel, it is the only explanation!

    Kennedy wrote in the Lawrence case ten years ago, “The instant case involves liberty of the person both in its spatial and more transcendent dimensions.”

    Maybe this means that both liberty and demagoguery are dimensionally transcendental.

  11. 11
    Modusoperandi

    slc1 ” It’s a scam and their credulous followers fall for it, just like the credulous followers of astrology fall for that scam.”
    You’re right. Most astrologers fail to take in to account how important Mercury is. My astrologer, one of the good ones, said that I only dug deep enough to find out the truth because I’m a Taurus.

  12. 12
    gshelley

    Hypothetically, if governors did ignore the DOMA ruling, how would that look?

  13. 13
    thebookofdave

    That means that “the American people have been robbed of the capacity and the right and the authority to be a self-governing people,” right?

    Depends on your definition of “We the people.”

  14. 14
    Chiroptera

    Well, the Constitution is full of things that “we the people” cannot do through our elected officials; in fact, that was kind of the point of drafting it. How’s that for a mind-blower, Fischer?

  15. 15
    Michael Heath

    Me earlier:

    The depths in defective thinking coming out of the conservative Christian movement continues to amaze me. You’d think I’d become jaded to the point they’d cease to surprise me. Yet their ability to avoid cognitive dissonance and avoid/deny reality points to a level of delusion I presumed would be impossible unless such a person is unable to care for themselves.

    slc1 responds:

    This assumes that Fisher and his ilk actually believe this crap. I doubt that they do, they’re just rabble rousing their followers to send them more money. It’s a scam and their credulous followers fall for it, just like the credulous followers of astrology fall for that scam.

    No, my point does not assume what you claim, it’s not even relevant. What’s relevant here is that Mr. Fischer has an audience that believes it, where they’re large enough to significantly influence elections and public policy.

    I’m motivated to respond here because once again you misrepresent what I write.

  16. 16
    slc1

    Re Michael Heath @ #15

    Yawn.

  17. 17
    vmanis1

    Asking Bryan Fischer to opine on the U.S. Constitution is like asking Hannibal Lecter to opine on the merits of vegetarianism.

  18. 18
    Chiroptera

    vmanis1, #17:

    With the difference that Hannibal Lecter probably knows enough about vegetarianism to give an informative talk about it.

  19. 19
    magistramarla

    So, I’ve been watching the conservative commentators of the local rag, The San Antonio Express News, having hissy fits the past couple of days. On one thread, they were claiming that the changes in DOMA wouldn’t affect the military folks here at all, since gov. goodhair was going to ignore it all. They were really pissed off about Chuck Hagel vowing to fast-track the benefits for military couples.

    Here’s what has been on my mind: Since the AF base is federal property, we always get to thumb our noses at the state law forbidding the sale of hard liquor on Sunday – in fact the class VI store is open 24/7 and we can buy booze anytime that we like, whether Texas likes it or not.

    Along those same lines, if a gay couple is married in California (Yay for them!) and then has the misfortune of being stationed in Texas, the spouse’s ID will still be good on federal property (the commissary, the base hospital, base housing, etc.) For that matter, as a military family, they would remain California residents, and they would still be able to file California state income taxes as well as their federal income taxes and would even be able to retain their CA license plates on their cars.

    If the military spouse died while stationed here, I’m sure that the surviving spouse would be able to claim all of the federal benefits to which he/she would be entitled – it wouldn’t be any of the state of Texas’ business.
    I’m sure that even off-base businesses wouldn’t be looking that closely at the IDs. If a spouse bought lunch at Rudy’s, I’m sure he/she would still get the military discount. I’m sure that the cashier isn’t going to look closely at that valid ID and say “EWWW, you’re a guy and you’re the dependent of another guy?”

    Even if that spouse is sent to an off-base medical facility, I don’t think that the facility is going to turn down the business. All they are going to be looking at is the valid military insurance card and the dollar signs.
    So are the states really going to have that much say over the federal benefits that gay couples will now be able to enjoy?

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