Wingnut: Gay Rights Just Like Nazi Germany

Larry Tomczak, the senior pastor of Christ the King Church in Atlanta, has an amusingly idiotic column in Charisma magazine in which he goes full Godwin. He seems to think that Christians are terrified to speak out against equal rights for gay people — wouldn’t that be nice? — and that this is, somehow, just like Nazi Germany.

Many leaders in our churches and ministries today are backing up and unfortunately remaining silent in the midst of crisis. Succumbing to fear, intimidation and political correctness, they are remaining silent and saying, “Well, let’s just preach the gospel and trust that everything will work out.” The Great Commission and Cultural Commission (“take dominion”) are two wings, but unfortunately one has been forgotten…

A few days ago, my wife’s father, who is in his early 90s, spoke something to me that had tremendous impact on my life. He is a committed Christian, an elder and part of what is oftentimes called “the Greatest Generation” due to their courageous stand against the Nazis in World War II. Joe and Anne have been married 68 years!

He’s never done this before, but he said he had a prophetic word to share with me. The core of it: “Why are leaders in our churches and ministries afraid to speak up in a charitable way concerning what’s happening regarding homosexuality today?”

It would do us well to recall that in Nazi Germany, only a small percentage of the people were part of the Nazi party. Amid the atrocities, the overwhelming majority were apathetic and afraid to speak up. Consider the consequences.

Is history repeating itself?

No, but stupid arguments are.

18 comments on this post.
  1. Synfandel:

    “Why are leaders in our churches and ministries afraid to speak up in a charitable way concerning what’s happening regarding homosexuality today?”

    Mr. Tomczak’s father-in-law asked a very good question.

  2. Marcus Ranum:

    Because giving people rights is just like gassing them!

  3. Marcus Ranum:

    It would do us well to recall that in Nazi Germany, only a small percentage of the people were part of the Nazi party.

    It would do us well to recall that in Nazi Germany, only a small percentage of the people were part of the Nazi party, and the rest were overwhelmingly christian.

  4. doublereed:

    Everyone knows that the Nazis were in favor of gay rights.

  5. Chiroptera:

    Amid the atrocities, the overwhelming majority were apathetic and afraid to speak up.

    LOL.If I lived in Nazi Germany, I’d be afraid to speak up too.

  6. John Pieret:

    From the rest of the article:

    those of us who are authentic Christians

    You forgot the trademark preacher.

    give us a passionate quest to hear His voice and speak up for truth winsomely, persuasively and unashamedly, no matter what the cost

    You’ve been doing it so “winsomely” up to this point that, in an incredibly short period of time, you have convinced most of the rest of your fellow citizens that, if there is a Godwin to be had, it resides in your narrow and vicious beliefs.

  7. frankb:

    Why are leaders in our churches and ministries afraid to speak up in a charitable way

    Does the word “charitable” mean something different to them than it does to us.? Do they think telling us we are going to hell is charitable?
    I know, I know. The answer is yes.

  8. criticaldragon1177:

    Ed Brayton

    Yeah Gay Rights are just like Nazi Germany. Every time two dudes dudes fall for eachother they commit genocide, somehow. That’s just about the only way his statement makes sense.

  9. raven:

    It would do us well to recall that in Nazi Germany, only a small percentage of the people were part of the Nazi party.

    That might be true but is irrelevant.

    Hitler took power more or less legally and had the support of most Germans. And the support of the Catholic church in a deal worked out in 1933 or so, the Reichskonkordat, which oddly enough, is still legal and the law in modern Germany.

    And the Nazis had many millions of willing followers, virtually of which were xians, Lutherans and Catholics.

    If Larry Tomczak wants to know what a Nazi-oid christofascist looks like, all he has to do is look in a mirror.

  10. Larry:

    Charitable

    char·i·ta·ble
    /ˈCHaritəbəl/
    Adjective

    1. Of or relating to the hatred and denigration of those different than us
    2. (of an organization or activity) Officially recognized as devoted to the oppression, the denial of equal rights, and self-satisifed smugness in hating others not like us

    Synonyms
    Bigoted – hateful – smug

  11. raven:

    Is history repeating itself?

    Yes, or at least we can hope so.

    As pointed out earlier today, there are thousands of gods, almost all of them sleeping in the graveyard of the gods.

    There are only a few more to go and one of them is Larry Tomczak’s fundie Sky Monster.

    The Southern Oogedy Boogedies (Baptists) just reported their numbers, Down for six years in a row.

  12. d.c.wilson:

    What exactly is the charitable way to tell someone you think they’re second class citizens?

  13. raven:

    wikipedia Sovereign Grace Ministries:

    In late 2012, charges were brought against Sovereign Grace Ministries for allegedly concealing sex abuse.

    The plaintiffs claim church leaders did not report accusations of misconduct to the police and offered legal advice to suspected pedophiles.[32] Most of the claims were recently dismissed due to the Maryland law that lawsuits must be filed by plaintiffs within three years of turning eighteen.[33] Part of the lawsuit claimed that SGM pastors counseled victims not to go to the authorities about incidents of sexual abuse.

    Larry Tomczak was one of the founders of Sovereign Grace Ministries. Which has been accused of child sexual abuse and coverups. We’ve seen this old movie before.

    He was forced out in some sort of power struggle. SGM seems to be quite the snake pit.

    Its not clear from a cursory reading of wikipedia just what his role in all this was. But just to be safe rather than sorry, I wouldn’t get near a creep like this.

  14. marcus:

    Look it’s simple Gay=Nazi.
    Because as Modusoperandi so succinctly explained:
    Shut up!

  15. Hercules Grytpype-Thynne:

    It seems to me that you’re either apathetic or afraid to speak up, not both. Unless what you’re afraid to speak up about is how little you care.

  16. aaronbaker:

    Apparently, Nazi Germany was a pluralist democracy. Who knew?

  17. Modusoperandi:

    Look, Ed Brayton, first The Gays are blaming groups, both internal and external, for the loss in the Great War, then they’re running through the streets, beating naysayers and firebombing their businesses, next they’re running the country. You can’t deny the pattern!
     
    marcus “Look it’s simple Gay=Nazi. Because as Modusoperandi so succinctly explained:
    Shut up!”

    I have to admit, the math does hold up.

  18. Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden:

    First the gays insisted on getting their blackmail/protection money back from the NY Cops. But I wasn’t a tenner, so I did not speak out. Then they came for their diagnosis. And I did not speak out, because I was not a copy of the DSM. Next they came for their health care, and I did not speak out because I was not a vaccine. Then they came for their apartments and jobs, and I did not speak out because I was not an apartment or a job. Finally, they came for their wedding formalwear. And no one spoke for me, a tuxedo, because no one was left to speak.

    -Pastors Black & Lee

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