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Jun 19 2013

Another NSA Data Mining Hypocrite

Guess who said in 2006, “If I know every single phone call you made, I’m able to determine every single person you talked to. I can get a pattern about your life that is very, very intrusive.” If you guessed Joe Biden, come on down. And he didn’t stop there:

And the real question here is, what do they do with this information that they collect?…There’s a whole deal when you talk about this kind of stuff where under the law, they’re supposed to demonstrate that they’re getting rid of and not keeping any extraneous information that they pick up on wiretaps and/or pick up in sweeps like this…If it’s true that 200 million Americans’ phone calls were monitored, in terms of not listening to what they said, but to whom they spoke and who spoke to them, I don’t know. The Congress should investigate this.”

And it gets worse:

“I don’t think it passes the test, but it clearly doesn’t pass the test of two existing statutes that say you can’t do these kinds of things, forgetting the fourth amendment,” Biden said on CBS’s May 12, 2006 “The Early Show.”…

“And, Harry [Smith], the bottom line here is: Here you have the president of the United States making a judgment that’s not reviewable by the courts and not reviewable by the Congress, and we’re supposed to say OK, and they tell us — it’s a little bit like what would happen if the banks turned over all your checking records, without your name, but gave the checking account number and every single purchase you made and pattern of your behavior — and then you were told, ‘Don’t worry, they — that’s not invasion of your privacy.’”…

“We have — no one’s arguing whether or not you have the right to go out and tap and go and do everything you need to do to track down al Qaida. That’s not the question here. Years ago, Harry, I was one of those guys that co-sponsored the bill called FISA, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Everyone I’ve spoken to, who’s been briefed on this matter, says that everything that they want to do to deal with al Qaida is able to be done under FISA and maybe with a small amendment to FISA. But this idea that no court will review, no Congress will know and we’re going to trust the president and the vice president of the United States, that they’re doing the right thing, don’t count me in on that.”

My, how times change. Funny how the limits of executive power seem so different when you’re the one wielding that power.

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  1. 1
    theschwa

    It is different now, You cannot trust a white, Christian, US citizen with this type of power.

  2. 2
    slc1

    New boss, same as the old boss. Or as Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr once said, the more things change the more they remain the same (when I first heard it, it was attributed to Voltaire).

  3. 3
    Modusoperandi

    I don’t think it passes the test, but it clearly doesn’t pass the test of two existing statutes that say you can’t do these kinds of things, forgetting the fourth amendment…

    Well, the statutes weren’t [couldn't, on a account of all the unaccountable state secrets privilege] be tested in court, and the 4th was forgotten. So everything’s fine.

  4. 4
    Paul Loebe

    Snowden is a hero. He was brave enough to willingly give up his entire life to expose unconstitutional acts by our government and now he’s being demonized over it. Somehow the crazy Ron Paul and I agree on this issue.

  5. 5
    slc1

    Time for a timely conspiracy theory from Don Williams, attributing Biden’s change of heart to Haim Saban.

  6. 6
    Chiroptera

    My Google skills are pretty poor, so I’m having trouble finding quotes from Biden about NSA surveillance in 2013. Did he actually say something to support it? Or is his hypocrisy that he is not explicitly denouncing it?

  7. 7
    trucreep

    There’s a great video of this interview mixed together with the recent comments by the President on this – and it’s just Biden debunking claim after claim that’s made. Pretty powerful

  8. 8
    Gregory in Seattle

    No violation, great or small, is evil when WE are the ones doing it. It is evil only when THEY are doing it.

    And here, children, is a good summation of partisan politics in the United States.

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