WND Still on…Flag Burning? Really?

“Judges sometimes allow things I don’t like, so judges are evil and insane.” Such a compelling argument.

As an aside, I spoke to Sen. Obama on the constitutional issues of legalized flag burning. I had with me the law professor who taught Mr. Obama constitutional law at Harvard. We hoped to get Obama on our side, although he had spoken against the right of the people to protect their flag. There were no teleprompters present, and he had absolutely nothing to offer in defense of his position. In fact, the only thing I remember him saying was to request a picture and compliment us on our arguments. He then voted against the flag amendment. After this meeting, I wondered how this man could have become the celebrity he was.

I’m very curious to know who that con law prof was. Lawrence Tribe was Obama’s con law prof and he certainly is not in favor of flag burning being illegal. It’s possible that he took another con law course that was not taught by Tribe, but I don’t know of any law prof at Harvard who thinks flag burning should be illegal. As for Obama having nothing to say, that certainly wouldn’t surprise me. He was probably struggling to keep a straight face while thinking, “Is this guy serious?”

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20 comments on this post.
  1. Chiroptera:

    During Jefferson’s time, wasn’t the flag just something that told you where the post office was?

  2. dogmeat:

    Most commonly flags were used to determine the center of a military regiment and the nationality of a ship. “Strike your colors” (surrender), the tendency of flag bearers to die in large numbers during military engagements, etc. Capturing an enemy regiment’s colors was a great honor (dishonor).

  3. Trebuchet:

    Note also the gratuitous mention of teleprompters. Because Obama, being black, can’t think for himself, of course.

    Because I can’t help picking nits:

    Lastly, Madison denounced a June 22, 1807, incident in which the British ship Leonard fired upon the American Chesapeake and ordered it to haul down the flag.

    Not sure what the source of the error is, but the ship was Leopard, not “Leonard”. Known as “the horrible old Leopard” to Patrick O’Brian fans.

  4. theschwa:


    During Jefferson’s time, wasn’t the flag just something that told you where the post office was?

    No, back then, flags were manufactured in Heaven by the saints and hand-delivered to the founding fathers by angels as further evidence of our Christian Nation.

  5. garnetstar:

    To be “desecrated”, something has to be sacred in the first place. And, I’m sorry, but flags aren’t. Neither is the Constitution.

    It’s a figure of speech, perhaps, but these wingnuts’ problem is that they take it literally. There’s something very wrong and dangerous about seeing your flag and government and country as holy. It means that they are already perfect and can’t be changed to improve them, and that everything about them and what they do is moral and right.

  6. Modusoperandi:

    theschwa, and they had the Ten Commandments printed on the back, just like The Constitution.

  7. Mr Ed:

    1) America is great because we are free
    2)The flag is a symbol of that freedom
    3)We must limit freedom to protect the symbol

    Seems they are more interested in the symbol than what it stands for. More likely they are still arguing with anti-Vietnam hippies

  8. Emu Sam:

    Constitutional evidence: any phrase or other network of words which, together with other words and implications, add up to a penumbra.

  9. doublereed:

    The only people I’ve met who think that flag burning should be illegal are people who think that flag burning IS actually illegal, and figure that there was some sort of precedent to do so.

  10. shouldbeworking:

    Americans should be jailed for desecrating the flag. Just like in China.

    /snark mode off

  11. Neil Rickert:

    And then there are people who put black smears all over flags. What kind of descration is that?

    Yes, I am talking about the post office cancelling flag stamps. Yet somehow people never get upset over that.

  12. Artor:

    The funny thing is that the Flag Code specifically requires burning as the method of disposing of an old flag. It also specifically forbids using it as clothing, something often done by such wingnut luminaries as David Barton, Sarah Palin, etc.

  13. Geds:

    The legalized desecration of the symbol of the Constitution symbolizes the ongoing desecration of our Constitution.

    I’m sorry, but can we once, just once get a wingnut whose prose isn’t so stilted? I mean, seriously, that’s noticeably ugly phrasing in a column that’s full of ugly phrasing and wordplay that aspires to approach workmanlike.

    The examples are legion – judges who believe that the Constitution is what they say it is. I can think of only a few societal disasters that are not the result of judicial insanity; think of the assault on prayer, religion, the Decalogue, pornography, Obamacare, coddling of criminals, etc. ad infinitum.

    Speaking of stilted prose…

    So he says the examples of Constitutional desecration are legion, then he offers exactly one example. He follows this up with a laundry list of talking points that are “disasters,” but if you read it from “the assault on…” he’s claiming that there’s an assault on prayer, religion, the Ten Commandments (which are, somehow, three separate things), and also porn and Obamacare. I assume that means he’s actually taking a principled stance and saying that pornography is a form of protected speech, Obamacare is the law of the land, and that continued attacks against either are useless or, worse, unconstitutional. But then he takes an asshole turn by going after people who are assaulting “the coddling of criminals,” by which I suppose he means that he wants to repeal the Constitutional protections against cruel and unusual punishment.

    Ah, well, I suppose everyone has their blind spots.

    Meanwhile, I’m pretty sure that tossing “etc. ad infinitum” in at the end there is redundant. Also, too, it’s repetitive.

  14. dingojack:

    Neil Rickert – Well it’s really quite simple.
    It’s OK for the Post Office to put on black lines when cancelling a stamp of the HOLY FLAGG, ’cause putting a holy flag on a stamp is ILLEGAL cause the holy flag DOESN’T HavE GOLD BRAiD, and besides licking the back washes off the DECALOGUE hand-written on THE BaCK of the HOLY FlaG STAMP BY JESUS HIMSELF!!!

  15. oranje:

    So he’s against the assault on pornography and the assault on Obamacare? Good to know.

  16. dingojack:

    Completely OT:-

    The banner ad that the intertubes thought I would be really really interested in was for the 10th Annual Conference on Railway Technology* .
    Holy shit! The MOST BORING conference outside a conference on the Dewey Decimal System or Library of Congress subject headings.
    Well of course Mr Intertubes, I’m JUST JONESING to go! SIGN ME UP & SIGN ME UP NOW!!!

    *(25-29th Nov. at the Sydney Convention and Conference Center, in case you wanting to attend)

  17. jamessweet:

    The actual comments from Jefferson and Madison are illuminating, and it gives me pause… I wonder if part of the reason for the development of this fanatical cult of flag-worship is that the practical reasons for a flag are basically irrelevant in most people’s day-to-day lives these days. Once upon a time, what flag a given ship was flying was very much on the mind of many a common folk — whether it was the right flag or a phoney, whether that flag made the ship likely to be attacked, etc. Nowadays, for most people the flag IS just a symbol, and not a practical tool, so perhaps that is why the symbolic importance has been so magnified?

    Once again, learning a little bit of fucking history might make people a lot less likely to go unhinged. But alas…

  18. Dr X:

    In reviewing the general’s selection of wingnut whines, I see that he’s an exemplar of the morality of sacredness. Where I part company with Haidt is not on the recognition of the disgust/sacredness domain of morality, but on whether its moral derivaties deserve genuine respect. IMO, the weaker liberal sensitivity to disgust and sacredness isn’t a shortcoming of the liberal moral palette. I think it’s an evolved advantage associated with a more scientifcally advanced, less brutally-tribal culture. It’s no accident that a man whose career has revolved around advancement within a warrior subculture would be more likely to have these more primitive sensibilities.

  19. MikeMa:

    Of all the things to continue to be obsessed about, flag burning? Seriously? Yep. The Worldnutdaily apparently still thinks it matters…

    They could be obsessing about birth certificates.

  20. d.c.wilson:

    Wait, according to Ted Cruz, Harvard Law School is filled with avowed Marxists who want to overthrow the US government (as opposed to the rightwing nut jobs who want to overthrow the US government). How did he find one one who was against burning Jesus’s the American flag?

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