Norm MacDonald is an Idiot


I’ve always been a big fan of Norm MacDonald. In the comedy business, he’s a legend, the ultimate comic’s comic. So I’m kind of sad to find out that he’s a blithering idiot, as evidenced by this interview with Larry King in which he says that he doesn’t believe in DNA and has no “faith” in science because scientists have always been wrong. He said this on television, of course, which only exists because scientists figured out how to send signals through the air.

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  1. Anthony K says

    I feel bad for writing #1. Much like Ed, I’d been a fan of Norm MacDonald, and it’s indeed sad that he’s an idiot.

  2. freebird says

    Does he have a history of saying stuff like this? I wouldn’t put it past him to troll an interviewer to get them to ask him the dumbest questions and giving equally dumb answers?

  3. cptdoom says

    Well, he lost me at the “it’s not fashionable” to say you’re a “Christian” right now. Allow me to begin the river of tears for Mr. McDonald’s troubles and toils. It must be so hard to admit that you belong to one of the many religions that make up the most popular religious identities in the history of humanity.

  4. says

    It’s interesting that he acknowledges that his faith is a choice. That’s precisely what Sartre argues in “Bad Faith” – self-delusion isn’t a matter of false beliefs, but of an original decision not to be persuaded by evidence, and this choice is aware of itself as self deception or bad faith. Immoral.

  5. says

    I thought there was something wrong with him when he started doing those insurance commercials. They are simply not funny, though they try hard to be. He used to be better than that.

  6. cottonnero says

    It’s not fashionable to be a child molester, either, but you don’t hear that rhetorical point being used all that often.

  7. says

    A little off topic but is there something physically wrong with Norm? He obviously has put on some weight as he has aged but along with that and his strained voice, he doesn’t seem well.

    I think I’ll go watch Dirty Work now and remember the Norm MacDonald I liked.

  8. says

    A little off topic but is there something physically wrong with Norm? He obviously has put on some weight as he has aged but along with that and his strained voice, he doesn’t seem well.

    I thought the same thing. His voice sounds totally different, and he seems sort of…listless.

  9. says

    Salty: did he say that in the clip (I didn’t feel up to watching it)? If so he is iggerunt of history too.
    I don’t think that there is any evidence that anyone who thought about the shape of the earth (from the Ancient Greeks through the Venerable Bede to whoever you care to mention) considered it anything but round.

    You are right that the only people who posited a flat earth did it for doctrinal or Booblical reasons. And they probably knew that it wasn’t really, but only symbolically flat…with corners!

  10. says

    Well, I don’t believe in DNA*. It still exists, though. Stupid DNA.
     
    * Primarily to make sure that the universe isn’t a product of my mind. I had to, because I imagining a mixture of tomato juice and clams and vodka, and I can’t stress this enough, that thing began to exist, which scared me so bad I had to prove that I wasn’t a god, if only to avoid having to print up new business cards.

  11. rmsc says

    I’m almost positive I remember his buddy Artie Lange claiming Norm was an atheist some years back. I hate seeing this. Norm is my favorite comic ever.

  12. says

    This talk about Mr. MacDonald came up on another blog as well. One persistent person kept responding to everyone, over and over, to a blog written by Mr. MacDonald himself where the comedian explained he was struggling with bipolar disorder.

    That’s an unfortunate condition, and Mr. MacDonald has my sympathies, but bipolar does not typically attack your faculty of reason, as far as I know.

  13. dingojack says

    E-I-E-I-O.
    Dingo
    ————
    sorry I don’t have anything more constructive to add. But when your argument is as weak as this, ridicule is the only response that is responsible.

  14. naturalcynic says

    McDonald used to play dumb for comic effect. I guess that practice makes perfect.

  15. says

    DNA is a rather novel thing to not believe in, isn’t it?

    I mean, of the various forms of idiotic denialism out there, I’ve not come across this one before. Flat earthers, sure. Creationists are a dime a dozen. But DNA denial?

    It’s also odd because comics and actors are typically not what you’d call original in the forms of lunacy they tend to embrace, whether new age or evangelical Christian (and the two can be remarkably similar).

    So I guess I’m saying….are we sure it’s not a put-on?

  16. raven says

    One persistent person kept responding to everyone, over and over, to a blog written by Mr. MacDonald himself where the comedian explained he was struggling with bipolar disorder.

    Bipolar is treated and treatable with a variety of medications, themselves products of that science he doesn’t believe in. As is all of modern medicine.

    His delusions and conversion to xianity seem to be a reflection of mental illness rather than anything to take seriously.

  17. lofgren says

    Evidence number 10403850 that Ed has a terrible sense of humor.

    Honestly, I don’t know how anybody could watch Norm McDonald’s humor and be surprised by the fact that he’s a blithering idiot. I don’t think he could have made it any more clear. Here, let me sum up his entire act so you don’t have to go check it out on YouTube: “HAHA Women, gay people, and nerds suck because they’re not good at sports! HAHAHA!” Then he snickers at his own cleverness and smirks with the self-assured confidence that only the truly dickish are born with.

  18. says

    Here, let me sum up his entire act so you don’t have to go check it out on YouTube: “HAHA Women, gay people, and nerds suck because they’re not good at sports! HAHAHA!”

    No, that’s Adam Carolla.

  19. Jordan Genso says

    @22 lofgren

    I’ve not really been much of a Norm fan, but his roast of Bob Saget has stood out in my mind as being better than other roasts I’ve seen.

  20. jws1 says

    Jordan: Thanks for reminding me why Louis C.K., Nick DePaolo and Doug Stanhope are so entertaining – their jokes aren’t tired and old, genuine (as opposed to obligatory) laughter follows, and they aren’t compelled to explain the punchlines. I remember when this first aired and how bad he bombed (Gary Busey was funnier in the roast he was in). A thought just crossed my mind, though: Is he taking a shot the concept of the roast, and so making terribly unfunny ad hominem remarks?

  21. Jordan Genso says

    A thought just crossed my mind, though: Is he taking a shot the concept of the roast, and so making terribly unfunny ad hominem remarks?

    Yeah. His couple minutes on stage aren’t as funny unless viewed against the larger roast. All the other comics tried to come up with the most shocking jokes that pushed the boundaries between appropriate and not, and Norm instead decided that horrible jokes that didn’t even come close to crossing the line would be the most shocking of all.

    If you didn’t ‘get’ it, his routine was a complete bomb. But if you did ‘get’ it, it was hilarious. What’s interesting is that it appeared to me that the audience didn’t really ‘get’ it, but the comedians on stage did. There’s great humor in an intentional bomb, if done right.

  22. Who Knows? says

    I always thought the idea that the earth was the center of the universe, and why the sun revolved around it, was based on Biblical teaching. Not science.

    So, wouldn’t Norm have to rephrase his statement that “science has always been wrong” to “religion has always been wrong?”

  23. Winters says

    This isn’t the first time he’s said something along these lines.

    Here’s a clip of him talking about how Bill Maher isn’t qualified to answer “the question that’s plagued mankind since the dawn of time” because he’s a nightclub comic.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSsxK6LvzN4

    I’ve gone to see him a couple of times, the first time he was awful. He posed for pictures beforehand and grabbed my friend’s wife’s ass while we were waiting for the shot. She slapped him on the arm and he just kind of wandered away mumbling incoherently. During his set, he lost his train of thought several times and just kind of did his mumbling/awkward/non-sequitur routine that drew a handful of laughs. He seemed fucked up, but I don’t think he’s big into drugs, so who knows…

    I gave him another shot a couple of years ago and he was better, but not by much. He seemed to be sober at least, and slightly more coherent, but still was pretty unfunny.

  24. jaybee says

    Oh, no — Victoria Jackson must have gotten to Norm.

    Let’s hope he doesn’t take up gymnastics too.

  25. Childermass says

    The same story we have all seen a hundred times before: talent, smarts, or competence in one thing does not mean someone is not imply anything outside of the one thing.

    That he clearly has not read up on DNA, etc. does not help things.

  26. says

    Strewth @17:

    That’s an unfortunate condition, and Mr. MacDonald has my sympathies, but bipolar does not typically attack your faculty of reason, as far as I know.

    It can and I’ve seen it many times.

  27. says

    …bipolar does not typically attack your faculty of reason, as far as I know.

    Maybe not, but I can easily see the depression taking a big bite out of your motivation to use your faculties.

  28. says

    @Raging Bee:

    “Maybe not, but I can easily see the depression taking a big bite out of your motivation to use your faculties.”

    It can, and thought disorders accompanying mania aren’t unusual.

  29. says

    This talk about Mr. MacDonald came up on another blog as well. One persistent person kept responding to everyone, over and over, to a blog written by Mr. MacDonald himself where the comedian explained he was struggling with bipolar disorder.

    That’s an unfortunate condition, and Mr. MacDonald has my sympathies, but bipolar does not typically attack your faculty of reason, as far as I know.

    There is no such condition, disease, or disorder.* There’s no evidence for it. It doesn’t exist. (David Kupfer, chair of the DSM-5 task force, admitting last month that psychiatric diagnoses lack scientific validity.) The drugs he’s probably taking, on the other hand, can cause serious health problems.

    *I shouldn’t have to add this to every post about biopsychiatry, but apparently I do: This is not to deny his or anyone’s psychological distress or experiences.

  30. says

    There is no such condition, disease, or disorder.* There’s no evidence for it. It doesn’t exist.

    Utter bullshit. The problems with DSM validity don’t mean that none of the most long observed, powerful, debilitating conditions don’t exist. Bipolar is certainly overdiagnosed, but one only needs to deal with a few individuals who shift between depressive and manic states to be disabused of the notion that these conditions don’t exist. Likewise, obsessive compulsive disorder, severe depression, panic disorder, phobias, primary psychoses. There’s a long discussion to be had by people who know what they’re talking about regarding the problems of diagnosis and underlying nature of serious psychiatric symptoms, but it does not begin with” there is no evidence for it” (bipolar). That’s just a profoundly ignorant statement.

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