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Jun 11 2013

Wingnut Calls for Martyrdom to Stop Marriage Equality

David Lane, who is running Rand Paul’s outreach to evangelical voters for his potential presidential run, has a completely unhinged column at the Worldnutdaily calling on Christians to become martyrs in order to stop same-sex marriage — how, exactly? — because it will destroy America.

he last paragraph of Peter J. Leithart’s “Between Babel and the Beast” frames properly the battle facing America:

“Throughout Scripture, the only power that can overcome the seemingly invincible omnipotence of a Babel or a Beast is the power of martyrdom, the power of the witness to King Jesus to the point of loss and death. American Christianity has not done a good job of producing martyrs, and that is because we have done such an outstanding job of nurturing Americanists who regret that they have only one life to give for their country. Americanists cannot break Babelic or bestial power because they cannot distinguish heretical Americanism from Christian orthodoxy. Until we do, America will lurch along the path that leads from Babel to Beast. If America is to be put in its place – put right – Christians must risk martyrdom and force Babel to the crux where it has to decide either to acknowledge Jesus an imperator and the church as God’s imperium or to begin drinking holy blood.”

Are those really the only two options? Theocracy or having to kill Christians? Well, okay — if you really do seek to impose a theocracy on the country, I’d go to war over that.

Where are the champions of Christ to save the nation from the pagan onslaught imposing homosexual marriage, homosexual scouts, 60 million babies done to death by abortion and red ink as far as the eye can see on America? Who will wage war for the Soul of America and trust the living God to deliver the pagan gods into our hands and restore America to her Judeo-Christian heritage and re-establish a Christian culture?

Let’s make it crystal clear: Those who embrace homosexual marriage and homosexual Scouting – or homosexuality in general – know little and practice nothing of Christianity. Notwithstanding Sen. Rob Portman – or the 1,400 Boy Scout delegates who buckled – Christian love is regulated not by impulse, but by principle. “We hence conclude, that not only the reprobates ought to be reproved, severely, and with sharp earnestness, but also the elect themselves, even those whom we deem to be children of God.” [John Calvin]

Quoting John Calvin in defense of “Christian love”? Really?

As to the future of America – and the collapse of this once-Christian nation – Christians must not only be allowed to have opinions, but politically, Christians must be retrained to war for the Soul of America and quit believing the fabricated whopper of the “Separation of Church and State,” the lie repeated ad nauseum by the left and liberals to keep Christian America – the moral majority – from imposing moral government on pagan public schools, pagan higher learning and pagan media.

I’ve noted several times how the language of the Christian right has changed over the decades. In the 80s, the enemy was “secular humanists.” Now we’re “pagans.”

Let me be clear. The currency used by the present generation of Christian “inside the Beltway” D.C. leaders – press conferences, press releases and getting a shout-out on the evening news – is no longer viable; political action by spiritual political operatives and candidates is required. The old model used by the policy boys – seemingly sane and skillful a generation or two ago – has taken us over the cliff. Christian America is in ruins.

As demonstrated by the give-and-take with the pagan media elite and pagan National Education Association, it is impossible to hold a conversation with someone bent on delivering a monologue. Christian America must war to make our nation a better place for our kids and grandkids.

I’ve got news for you, David. The overwhelming majority of Americans, even of Christian Americans, don’t want a theocracy. Have you noticed how rapidly public opinion has shifted on same-sex marriage, even among Christians? You lost. It’s all over but the shouting, which will all be coming from people like you. So if you really want to wage war over this, be my guest. You’ll lose that battle too.

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    dingojack

    Perhaps they could emulate the Judean People’s Front crack suicide squad, as seen in the Life of Brian.
    Dingo

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    Doubting Thomas

    As long as their martyrdom / suicide doesn’t hurt anyone else, more power to them. I think this should be encouraged and applauded.

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    matty1

    The old model used by the policy boys – seemingly sane and skillful a generation or two ago – has taken us over the cliff

    So he objects to people even seeming sane.

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    raven

    American Christianity has not done a good job of producing martyrs…

    That whole rant is just gibberish. It speaks volumes about Rand Paul’s lack of judgement and intelligence.

    The USA has had a large xian majority throughout its history. No one is going after the xians, The xians are after everyone else!!!

    Not all xians of course, US xianity is divided and often some xians are going after other xians.

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    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    Yet France has had its first same sex weddings, the happy couples get their long time loving commitments recognised and the world (again) fails to end.

    Go figure.

    Love is love, bigoted idiots will be bigoted idiots about it.

    In a decade or so, I safely predict we’ll wonder what the fuss was about and those who opposed equal marriage for same sex partners now will look like opponents of inter-racial marriages do today – if, that is, they don’t already. Which to most of us they pretty much do.

    Lets get in the 21st century already shall we, eh?

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    Taz

    And…it’s gone.
    Too crazy even for WND?

  8. 8
    doktorzoom

    Column has been removed by WND — could it be that even they are capable of shame?

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    raven

    US xianity or subsets of it have produced a huge number of martyrs. They’ve all been someone from other groups.

    The US was conquered by European xians who slaughtered the Native American and moved the remnants to reservations in out of the way places.

    The Southern Baptists and other churches with Southern in their name were formed to defend slavery and that conflict with other xians with Northern in their church names lead to the civil war.

    They then supported segration and opposed integration. There is a monument in Washington DC to one of the martyrs they produced, Martin Luther King.

    These days they support xian terrorism and bomb family planning clinics and assassinate MDs here and there.

    The xians are the new Romans, they aren’t victims, they make others into victims.

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    Henrietta Swan

    I continue to be mystified by politicians, who self identify as small government Republicans and/or libertarian, who embrace these theocrats. Without any acknowledgment of this contradiction.

    Rand Paul’s supporters (as well as his father’s) keep telling me that they admire their candidate’s ideological purity and consistency, and devotion to lack of governmental intrusion. But to me, it looks like that could not be farther from the truth.

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    dingojack

    The old model used by the policy boys – seemingly sane and skillful a generation or two ago – has taken us over the cliff.”.

    TRANSLATION: Before, the plutocrat/wingnut alliance made Raygun a shoo-in, now it’s just leading us to political oblivion. bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahh!

    Dingo

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    Trebuchet

    Perhaps WND realized it’s a near-explicit call for Christians to murder gays and supporters of gay marriage. I, at least, can’t read it any other way.

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    dingojack

    Raven – yes, yes. But apart from roads, bridges, clean water, education, entertainment, art, law and economic growth, what have the Romans ever done for us?
    Dingo
    ——–
    Perhaps you might want to adjust your analogy slightly. ;)

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    D. C. Sessions

    That call for “martyrdom” is pretty much a verbatim translation of the usual call for Muslim suicide bombers.

    In other words, aside from the language used, he calling for a jihad to purify America very much like the imams calling for jihad to purify Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc.

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    steve oberski

    Over at Reasonable Doubts (another fine blog on FTB), in her new book “The Myth of Christian Persecution” Candida Moss argues that the martyrdom stories from the first centuries of the Christian church have been exaggerated, and in many cases completely fabricated.

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    raven

    Where are the champions of Christ to save the nation from the pagan onslaught imposing homosexual marriage, homosexual scouts, 60 million babies done to death by abortion and red ink as far as the eye can see on America?

    Well this is still gibberish no matter how many times I read it.

    1. That pagan onslaught is mostly other xians. The US is still 72% xian and all of our politicians are xians and a few Jews.

    2. No one imposing gay marriage on anyone. If you want to marry an opposite sex person, no one will stop you.

    3. What do gay scouts have to do with anything?

    4. That red ink was mostly produced by right wing xians, Saint Reagan and mostly George Bush of the GOP/Tea Party.

    If DAvid Lane was serious about producing xian martyrs to help the USA, he would shoot Rand Paul and then look in a mirror, and shoot himself.

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    John Pieret

    Rand, even if the WingNutDaily deep-sixes this rant, don’t think we won’t be quoting it when you try to present yourself as a libertarian not beholding to the theocratic right. You are just Santorum with the veneer of sanity.

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    Jasper of Maine

    Apparently, in this case, “majority rules” isn’t valid… it must be nice to selectively apply whatever concepts happen to be convenient at the time to support one’s opinions.

    First, it was “majority rules” because most of the country didn’t favor it.
    Now, that the majority favor it, “majority rules” no longer applies.

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    andrewkiener

    Combine this with Ron Paul’s letting Gary North write his school curriculum, and we see that the grand family of “libertarianism” is finally openly embracing its anti-American theocrat side. These people are not the “loyal opposition”; they truly want to screw over everyone who doesn’t think like them.

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    Mr Ed

    We sure this isn’t a well worded call for suicide bombers? The only thing it lacked was a promise of reward to those who took up his call.

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    Who Knows?

    You are just Santorum with the veneer of sanity

    I’ve never thought there was anything sane about either of the Paul’s.

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    raven

    What happened to the “US is a xian nation claim?”

    According to David Lane, the US is run by Pagans and xians are a tiny minority on their way to the Coliseum to meet some hungry lions.

    The reality is that the USA is still 72% xian and the number of pagan elected officials is about zero.

    I suppose to David Lane, most of those are Fake xians and de facto pagans. Or something.

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    dingojack

    John Pieret – I think you might be confusing the word ‘sanity’ with ‘sanctimony’.
    Dingo

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    Modusoperandi

    Henrietta Swan “I continue to be mystified by politicians, who self identify as small government Republicans and/or libertarian, who embrace these theocrats. Without any acknowledgment of this contradiction.”
    Small Government is just large enough to fit my religion. That’s simply common sense.

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    dcmweed

    They started calling us “pagans” instead “secular humanists” because there are just too many vowels in secular humanist and it is one of those complicated liberal phrases.

  26. 26
    Dave Maier

    it is impossible to hold a conversation with someone bent on delivering a monologue.

    Ain’t that the truth.

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    doublereed

    Gosh darn pagans takin’ all our christian jerbs

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    John Pieret

    Who Knows @ 21

    I’ve never thought there was anything sane about either of the Paul’s.

    Admittedly, I was giving him the benefit of the doubt as to how he wants to portray himself and saying that he has blown it now.

    dingo @ 23

    I think you might be confusing the word ‘sanity’ with ‘sanctimony’

    Actually, I’m accusing Rand Paul of that.

    Whatever, I think Paul has now given up any pretense to not being a captive of the crazy religious right, if he ever every pretended to that.

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    howardhershey

    As I often do, I tried to go to the original article (a practice that is especially amusing when the article is a science article cited by some creationist). Apparently there are some things that don’t rise even to the WND’s level of sanity, as the article has been removed by them.

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    John Pieret

    howardhershey @ 29

    But then again, you’re just part of the Hershey Collective. ;-)

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    bahrfeldt

    “Christians must risk martyrdom and force Babel to the crux where it has to decide either to acknowledge Jesus an imperator and the church as God’s imperium or to begin drinking holy blood.”

    Imperator? Like Caligula and Nero? (I’d throw in Elagabalus, but that would be a wasted reference). And what “church” equates their God’s power with the “imperium” authority of Roman local military commanders like Q. Cornuficius, Q. Labienus, Cn. Ahenobarbus and L. Murcus. Along with their call for dead Christians (including Catholics? Mormons? Unitarians?) these sound like Satan inspired blasphemy.

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    dingojack

    bahrfeldt – don’t forget the rest of the Q Continuum.
    ;) Dingo
    ——–
    ‘Oh the road, everyone’s been the road!

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    raven

    Christians must risk martyrdom and force Babel to the crux where it has to decide either to acknowledge Jesus an imperator and the church as God’s imperium or to begin drinking holy blood.”

    and

    Christians must be retrained to war for the Soul of America and quit believing the fabricated whopper of the “Separation of Church and State,”

    David Lane is a xian Dominionist who has no use for democracy or the US constituion. He is also advocating violence and murders of some sort. What does it mean for “Babel to drink holy blood.” Translating from fundie xian gibberish to English, it seems to mean we will either become a xian theocracy or David Lane and his band of terrorists will kill a whole lot of people.

    And this is who Rand Paul chose as a campaign staffer?

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    thisisaturingtest

    …Christians must be retrained to war for the Soul of America and quit believing the fabricated whopper of the “Separation of Church and State,” the lie repeated ad nauseum by the left and liberals to keep Christian America – the moral majority – from imposing moral government on pagan public schools, pagan higher learning and pagan media.

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen, in one sentence, someone so crazily rant against the idea of church-state separation and simultaneously make such a convincing case for it. Someone who is so dead set against an imposition that isn’t even real (“pagan onslaught imposing homosexual marriage, homosexual scouts,” etc.) shouldn’t be so up-front about the one they really want.

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    raven

    David Lane:

    Christian America is in ruins.

    Well, it isn’t. Yet. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn’t.

    But US xianity is losing 2-3 million members a year. Thanks to David Lane and the rest of the oogedy boogedy death cult kooks.

    The fundies have nothing to offer but a new Dark Age and so far, it hasn’t been too popular.

    …from imposing moral government on pagan public schools, pagan higher learning and pagan media.

    By pagan he means secular and non-fundie xian. The public schools, most higher education, and the media always have been and will be secular until he and his fellow kooks overthrow the US government.

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    Modusoperandi

    raven “What does it mean for ‘Babel to drink holy blood.’ Translating from fundie xian gibberish to English, it seems to mean we will either become a xian theocracy or David Lane and his band of terrorists will kill a whole lot of people.”
    You’ve got it backwards. [True] Christians aren’t Babel. Try “Christian theocracy, or the Christians will be killed”.

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    raven

    Try “Christian theocracy, or the Christians will be killed”.

    Maybe.

    I tried putting David Lane’s gibberish through the Google translator and it came up with “language not found” and suggested asking a psychiatist instead.

    I’ll try substituting the USA for Babel.

    Christians must risk martyrdom and force Babel (i.e. The USA) to the crux where it has to decide either to acknowledge Jesus an imperator and the church as God’s imperium or to begin drinking holy blood.”

    I guess it means that we will either become a xian theocracy or a whole bunch of xians will kill themselves.

    Works for me but it isn’t going to happen. Rather than kill themselves en masse, they will do what they have been doing. Going to work, spending time with friends and family, watching TV, and occasionally ranting and raving to scare all the normal people.

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    tommykey

    The mindset of these people is like Berlin in April of 1945. The war is already lost, but the diehards are still trying to take out the Soviet tanks with their panzerfausts.

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    Michael Heath

    I don’t see the pagan slur resonating within conservative Christianity. And while it’s true we don’t hear ‘secular humanist’ as a slur much anymore as we did in the 70s and 80s, I do expect conservative Christianity energy will be increasingly directed at atheists and their allies as their bigotry towards gays becomes more marginalized. I predicted that 10+ years ago and was flatly wrong, they went after Muslims instead. What they’ll call us when its our time to be the prime target of their hatred I’m not sure, but pagan sure won’t fit.

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    sundoga

    Did anyone save a copy of the text? It sounds like this one needs disseminating to show just how bad Lane is. Plus, I’d like to read it.

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    raven

    Did anyone save a copy of the text? It sounds like this one needs disseminating to show just how bad Lane is. Plus, I’d like to read it.

    I did a Google search on David Lane genocidal maniac.

    IIRC, rightwingwatch might have a copy. I’m sure there are many copies archived here and there on the net if you look.

    It’s comedy gold. You can’t try to make up something this crazy. You have to actually be crazy.

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    jpf

    The use of “pagan” by people like this is really interesting.

    The word “pagan” came from the Latin paganus, which meant a person living outside of the cities, a rural person. Since such people weren’t well-off or educated, they were looked down upon by those in the city who were, and the word became a pejorative not unlike our “hick” or “yokel”. The link to religion came after the rise to power of Christianity, when those backwards, uneducated rural people were stereotypically still practicing the old religions and not embracing the new Christianity of the urbane and educated elites.

    So a pagan is a rural person who isn’t part of the educated elite and who defiantly clings to their traditional religion in the face of social change. Exactly who today does that best describe?

    That’s right, David Lane and his ilk are pagans.

  43. 43
    greg1466

    I’m with Doubting Thomas (#3). Seems to me that Mr. Lane is encouraging theocrats to make an en masse run at the Darwin Awards.

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    Ichthyic

    American Christianity has not done a good job of producing martyrs, and that is because…

    …that persecution is a complex in your mind, not real. You won. you’re the majority. YOU ARE THE ONES PERSECUTING EVERYONE ELSE.

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    Dale Douglas

    I’m sorry if I’m late to the party, but when did I become a pagan? I thought I was a secular humanist?
    Isn’t using “pagan” to describe a huge swath of people wildly inaccurate, in that, you know, most of us aren’t druids? I’m sure the religious right see an insult in calling people “pagans,” but I don’t get it: why do they think they’re insulting me?

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