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Jun 05 2013

Fischer: End of DOMA is End of America

Bryan Fischer is worried, folks. If the Supreme Court strikes down the Defense of Marriage Act, he says, it will unleash a laundry list of bad things — polygamy, incest, pedophilia, bestiality, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria. Here’s the video:

I especially like his argument that the Supreme Court should “give full faith and credit” to those states that forbid same-sex marriages. What about the states that allow it? If you believe that the federal government should give full faith and credit to state marriage laws, why is that only true of the laws that you agree with? Remember, only section 3 of DOMA is being challenged. Section 3 is the part that says the federal government will not recognize the legality and validity of any same-sex marriage, even if it is performed in a state that allows it. Section 2 is the one that says the states do not have to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states. Section 2 is not being challenged and would remain in place even if the Supreme Court overturns section 3.

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  1. 1
    Trebuchet

    The wingnuts are actually hoping and praying (preying) that DOMA does get overturned, as it will give them even more opportunity to spread their hate and solicit donations from the faithful.

  2. 2
    Kevin

    I agree with #1. This is a right-winger’s fund-raising wet dream.

  3. 3
    baal

    I think fine points of law are lost on Fischer ;p. If the SCOTUS were decent and cared about law, they’d quash 2 at the same time as 3. I assume the legal strategy was to go for the bigger nastier bit first (easier case) and then do follow up later on the other stuff.

  4. 4
    Modusoperandi

    “I especially like his argument that the Supreme Court should “give full faith and credit” to those states that forbid same-sex marriages. What about the states that allow it? If you believe that the federal government should give full faith and credit to state marriage laws, why is that only true of the laws that you agree with?”

    It only works one way for a reason. If it worked both ways any pair of gentlemen traveling from one of the Patriotic states to one of the gayhomo states would automatically and manditorialy be gay married. Then, under force of law, they would have to immediately check in to a hotel and have lots and lots of homogay mansex. That’s how law works.

  5. 5
    steve84

    Section 2 is really redundant. Even without it, states are free to ignore any law that conflicts with their public policy. Only court judgments are fully portable. But the Supreme Court has carved out an exemption for laws back in the 1930s. It’s ridiculous in a modern nation and a remnant of the 18th century “every state is really an independent country” tribalism, but it’s the mess the US is stuck with.

  6. 6
    Bronze Dog

    If the Supreme Court strikes down the Defense of Marriage Act, he says, it will unleash a laundry list of bad things — polygamy, incest, pedophilia, bestiality, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria.

    Let’s take a look at those bad things:

    1. Polygamy: In the Bible, practiced without any sort of condemnation. Same thing for concubines. In the case of those who are open to polygamy, sometimes I think the wingnuts are actually complaining about the anti-traditional push to have all members of a polygamous marriage be equal partners in the relationship, just like they complain about modern hetero monogamy being moved in that direction.

    2. Incest: Non-sequitur. Incest is generally frowned upon for the genetic troubles caused by inbreeding.

    3. Pedophilia/Child rape: Just look at the scandals in churches. It’s not just the Catholics. Anecdotally speaking, when a clergyman gets caught, I see it’s wingnut fundies who leap to defend the rapist and blame the victim for tempting him. They only pay lip service to hating child rapists, in other words. I see the pro-LGBT/pro-marriage equality crowd as the ones who really get outraged by child rape and are the only ones who can articulate why it’s wrong: Sexual ethics require every participant to have informed consent, and children generally aren’t considered competent for informed consent.

    4. Bestiality: If anything, I get the impression that wingnuts want to model their sham form of marriage after bestiality by making women into dumb beasts because they’re too immature to handle intelligent women and treat them as human beings. That’s what makes it a sham.

    5. Dogs and cats living together: What’s wrong with interracial? Why bow down before pre-scientific ideas of what constitutes race? Frankly, I think it’d be healthy if there was more cultural acceptance of interracial marriage. There’s a reason behind the phrase, “mongrel vitality.” Purebred pets have genetic health problems. (See also: Incest, above.) [Godwin] Say, didn’t we fight a war somewhere around the middle of last century with some guy who thought he should produce purebred humans and decided to cull the ones that didn’t have the aesthetic features he liked? [/Godwin]

    6. Mass hysteria!: Hey, women are people too. Don’t dismiss their complaints about real inequity as stemming from hysteria. Oh, and when a man is mature enough to listen to his wife’s problems and try to help, including apologizing for his mistakes and correct his behavior, that makes him more manly, not less.

    Yeah, I know. Ghostbusters joke. Not that the fundies wouldn’t shriek about those things.

  7. 7
    Gregory in Seattle

    He may be right. I mean, look at what happened in Argentina, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, South Africa and Sweden. Civilization just… well, went on as normal.

    Funny how that worked out.

  8. 8
    slc1

    I read an article a couple of weeks ago claiming that Vietnam might become the first nation in Eastern Asia to recognize same sex marriage. What would be Fisher’s reaction to that? The horror, the horror.

  9. 9
    steve84

    Vietnam is a long shot. It was more like “Some people may talk about it in a general way”, but it’s far from even a concrete proposal.

  10. 10
    imthegenieicandoanything

    Another reason to hope the embarrassment that is the current SCOTUS gets one right: hopefully all truly Xian bigot scumbags will move to a pure nation like… (Russia? I guess – white and kind of “Christian.” Kenya and Nigeria have the hate just right, but they’re hot and dark-skinned and there are too many Muslims and…).

    “Pull a Lot” shall we call it.

    Of course, they have no morals, or any other even possibly positive human quality, and will stay here abusing the Constitutional right to free speech and milking the dumbest and most ignorant of the religious rubes.

    I take comfort only in knowing that I wouldn’t wish BF’s life, empty and filled with false achievement, pride,… everything, actually, on the worst person ever born.

  11. 11
    otrame

    There’s a reason behind the phrase, “mongrel vitality.”

    There sure is. I can tell you that my grandchildren, all four of whom are racially mixed (my sons married black and hispanic women) are the most beautiful children in the world.

    I mean somebody had to have the most beautiful grandchildren, just happened to be me.

  12. 12
    mikeym

    There’s a reason behind the phrase, “mongrel vitality.”

    I prefer the term, “hybrid vigor.”

  13. 13
    dingojack

    Btonze Dog – uh cats and dogs are different species. ‘Races’* are subspecies and can quite easily hybridise**. Not nearly the same thing. (just sayin’).

    otrame – claims about the beauty of one’s children or grandchildren should, in my experience, be taken with a grain of salt. Usually when someone says ‘my [grand]children are the most beautiful in the world’ they tend to have faces like freshly spanked arses, in my experience. :)
    Having said that, many of the world’s top models are of ‘mixed racial backgrounds’…

    Dingo
    ——–
    * in inverted commas here because such differences are usually completely subjective and superficial. So much so that one could say they are largely imaginary.
    ** see the wiki article on Australian Magpie as an example of non-human subspecies.

  14. 14
    =8)-DX

    This is insane. I mean bullrushing at warp speed? How would you fit a fusion reactor on a bull? Not to mention it’d take hundreds of bulls just to carry the warp drive, stripped to the bare essentials…

  15. 15
    =8)-DX

    Usually when someone says ‘my [grand]children are the most beautiful in the world’ they tend to have faces like freshly spanked arses, in my experience. :)

    Hey, what’s not to love about freshly spanked* arses?

    ——–
    *consensual

  16. 16
    Red-Green in Blue

    Ed:

    I had this nagging feeling that something was missing from Fischer’s list of undesirable consequences of repealing DOMA: something so horrible that perhaps even you, librul athiest that you are, felt unable to publish its unspeakable horror on the Interwebs. After reading your subsequent post, I realised what it is, and I think that God-Fearing American Citizens™ deserve to know the truth:

    If the Supreme Court strikes down the Defense of Marriage Act, he says, it will unleash a laundry list of bad things — polygamy, incest, pedophilia, bestiality, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria and shared-bike schemes

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