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May 31 2013

Wiles: Damn Commies Are Ripping Our Hearts Out

Rick Wiles of TruNews is upset. Very upset. You see, the Boy Scouts letting gay teens join is not, to him, just a matter of disobeying God. Oh no. It’s the “Marxist-Communists” who have taken over the country “ripping the heart out of the American people.”

Wiles: This is what the God-hating socialists in this country is doing to the fabric of America; they’re ripping the heart out of the American people.

Stemberger: Yes. That’s exactly right and it breaks my hear. It literally breaks my heart.

Wiles: You know John, what is really sad about this is that the Marxist-Communists that are in control of this country right now – I mean, I don’t know how you feel, but we really are under a Communist revolution. And if anybody is around fifty to a hundred years from now and looks back, they’re going to go ‘wow, there was a Communist revolution taking place at the beginning of the 21st century.’ And whether we survive it or not, that remains to be determined.

But that sad thing is that the Marxist-Communists in America have won on this issue regardless of what happens. Because if parents keep their boys in the Boy Scouts, the Communists have still won because the boys will be eventually lead towards accepting homosexuality. They’re going to destroy the moral culture of hundreds of thousands of boys all over America.

But if parents pull their children out, the Marxist-Communists have won also because they’ve destroyed a fine organization that for more than a hundred years has stood for honor and integrity and God and country. So either way, the Marxist-Communists have won on this issue.

Stemberger: Yep. Yep. It’s very sad.

You can almost hear the crocodile tears falling sadly on the cover of his well-worn Scofield reference Bible. I love the sound of wingnuts crying in the morning.

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  1. 1
    daved

    I like the emphasis on “Marxist-Communists,” as opposed to the many other varieties of Communists. The fact that Obama is a Rockefeller Republican and the whole country has shifted to the right is completely lost on people like Wiles. They “lose” one tiny battle in their hundred-front war and hey, it’s the end of the world as we know it (and they don’t feel fine).

  2. 2
    composer99

    It literally breaks my heart.

    Based on Sternberger’s subsequent participation in this discussion, it appears this was not true.

  3. 3
    d.c.wilson

    FYI, Wiles: Being gay in the Soviet Union was hardly a picnic.

    Words like Marxist and communist used to have definitions. Now they’re just lumped into a huge jumble with other words that mean “Change is bad!” in wingnutese.

  4. 4
    cjcolucci

    I have no idea what Communists — Marxist style or otherwise — have to do with any of this, but thinking back on my own Boy Scout days, there were several fellow Scouts and some leaders whom we thought were gay. And we now know we were right about some of them. Not that it mattered much to us then, except as a topic of sniggering gossip. And they probably didn’t suffer too much more adolescent cruelty than many straight but odd Scouts did. Everyone seemed to manage then. Scouting is supposed to teach you to be resourceful, so they’ll probably manage now.

  5. 5
    MikeMa

    @daved, Nice Great Big Sea reference I think.

    It is odd that while the general tone of democrats in government have shifted more or less to the right, it doesn’t really explain why the loons have shifted so far right as to be off any reasonable chart. Reminds me of Dr Suess’ The Big Brag only not so entertaining.

  6. 6
    Brain Hertz

    And if anybody is around fifty to a hundred years from now and looks back, they’re going to go ‘wow, there was a Communist revolution taking place at the beginning of the 21st century.’ And whether we survive it or not, that remains to be determined.

    Spoiler: you’re probably not going to survive the next hundred years.

  7. 7
    Anthony K

    They are talking about the Scouting Movement, right? The one founded by Redcoat Lord Robert Baden-Powell who’s interred in Nyeri, Kenya, under a tombstone with the trail sign for “going/gone home”, right?

  8. 8
    Modusoperandi

    MikeMa, when the Democrats lose, they shift to the right, and when they win, they shift to the right. Republicans do the same thing, but for different reasons (Democrats can never compromise enough and Republicans can never be pure enough, and Dems can’t forget the past [particularly the Malaise Era to Mondale], while Republicans can’t remember it, for two).

  9. 9
    matty1

    Spoiler: you’re probably not going to survive the next hundred years.

    Well not with that literal cardiac damage anyway

  10. 10
    daved

    They are talking about the Scouting Movement, right? The one founded by Redcoat Lord Robert Baden-Powell who’s interred in Nyeri, Kenya, under a tombstone with the trail sign for “going/gone home”, right?

    Baden-Powell supposedly also had a fondness for seeing boys swimming nude, or so I have read.

  11. 11
    matty1

    I always wondered about a man who would call his book ‘scouting for boys’

  12. 12
    Akira MacKenzie

    Back when I was a conservative, I understood them” connection” between Marxism and social libertarianism thus: in order for the “Communists” to win, they need to destroy America economically and culturally. The welfare state and high taxes was the scheme to accomplish the former while turning America into a den of corruption would occur thanks to legal abortion and birth control, pornography, sex ed. in pubIc schools, and, of course, gay rights. Once America was impoverished and its people had turned away from God and faith to peruse their hedonistic pleasures, it would be easy for the commies to sweep in and take over.

    I doubt the cant has change much since the early-mid 90s.

  13. 13
    apatrick0516

    I really wish these idiots would learn what communism actually is.

  14. 14
    eric

    Akira, you are trying to make sense of the insensible. BSA is a private club. Marxist-communists could actually be in charge of the county, and Wiles would still be wrong, because (to repeat) this is a private club.

    Their logic is no better than “my neighborhood book club decided to read Moby Dick instead of Farwell to Arms. Damn you, Big Tobacco!”

  15. 15
    Eoin

    I, too, am astonished at the elastic usage of well-defined political terms that these loons employ. Words such as ‘Marxist’ or ‘Communist’ actually have a very specific meaning which delineates specific political ideologies.

    Have these ignorant fools no knowledge of the very language they use to try and make their (and I use the term charitably) arguments? If they are so ignorant as to the very terminology they use, then why should anyone think their arguments are likely to be intelligible or coherent?

  16. 16
    Gvlgeologist, FCD

    Eoin: You don’t understand. Words like “Marxist”, “Communist”, “Liberal”, “Feminist”, “Gay” aren’t really words to a wingnut conservative. They are dogwhistles. They don’t have any more meaning than “Ruff” or “Grrr” does to a dog, other than to get an emotional reaction.

  17. 17
    Eoin

    @Gvlgeologist,FCD: “Eoin: You don’t understand. Words like “Marxist”, “Communist”, “Liberal”, “Feminist”, “Gay” aren’t really words to a wingnut conservative. They are dogwhistles. They don’t have any more meaning than “Ruff” or “Grrr” does to a dog, other than to get an emotional reaction.”

    Many thanks for kindly clarifying that for me, but, surely, the minimum underpinning for serious political discourse is to recognize that words have meaning – the mind shudders back from the thought that an entire generation of right-wing talking heads have reduced political terms to the kinder-garden equivalent of ‘you’re a nasty poo-head’

    Perhaps, I am biased and American political discourse is really awash with thoughtful, erudite, exquisitely nuanced debate and we, in Europe, only hear the coverage concerning the divisive (albeit highly entertaining) clown-car-crash loons.

    To give an example, for around eight months, in my shameful naivety, I GENUINELY thought Ann Coulter was a supremely talented comedienne who performed scintillating, if somewhat cruel, parodies of right-wing talking-heads.

  18. 18
    apatrick0516

    “Have these ignorant fools no knowledge of the very language they use to try and make their (and I use the term charitably) arguments? If they are so ignorant as to the very terminology they use, then why should anyone think their arguments are likely to be intelligible or coherent?”

    I have no idea, but their smear campaign works. Go to almost any neo conservative blog or message board.

    I see more people who scream that Obama or the liberals are communists, but when asked to even define what communism is, they can’t do it. And since they can’t do that, they obviously have a problem with the second challenge which is “What has Obama done that makes him a communist?” It’s always funny when people ignore you or delete your comments when you ask them something like that.

  19. 19
    Gvlgeologist, FCD

    I was certainly being sarcastic when I said, “You don’t understand” (if that wasn’t immediately obvious and your “Many thanks for kindly clarifying that for me” isn’t sarcastic back at me, of course).

    You’ve hit the nail on the head with this:

    the minimum underpinning for serious political discourse is to recognize that words have meaning – the mind shudders back from the thought that an entire generation of right-wing talking heads have reduced political terms to the kinder-garden equivalent of ‘you’re a nasty poo-head’

    because, I’m afraid, that you have perfectly characterised many of the RW talking heads. Many of them, (R. Limbaugh, A. Coulter, for examples), I’m convinced, REALLY don’t care about actual, thoughtful, discourse, but instead pander to the worst instincts in the far Right.

    The only good thing about this, is that they are going so far into lala land that I think they are beginning to self-destruct.

  20. 20
    apatrick0516

    Eoin, your mistake there is thinking they want “serious political discourse.” They just want to be heard and rile up their brainless followers against imaginary enemies.

  21. 21
    Eoin

    Again, many thanks for those kind responses (and I did not think for a moment, Gvlgeologist, that you were being sarcastic) but as a European (and goodness, yes I know Europe has political faults and problems of her own) we do not witness anything like the kind of vitriol and viciousness that seems commonplace in American political discussion.

    No doubt many here will correct me if I am wrong but I have personally felt that a large amount of the hysterical animus and hatred directed towards the U.S. President has been what I think of as a ‘proxy’ insofar that it is no longer socially acceptable to advocate open racism in polite company in the U.S. so that opposition to President Obama must, by necessity, be recast as fear of ‘other’ – hence the innumerable outlandish conspiracy theories regarding his citizenship, endless dissections of ‘natural-born citizen’ and incontinent references to his supposed Muslim faith. Goodness knows the man and his administration are far from perfect – is it not sufficient to critique his policies and his governance without recourse to such bizarre, delusional fantasies?

    We (happily) do not witness anything like this phenomenon in Europe and long may it remain so. At the risk of being overly-critical much of American political media and political culture comes across here as somewhat lurid and dysfunctional. This, of course, has to be balanced against the obvious fact that the U.S. has been sufficiently evolved to elect an ethnic minority as her leader to begin with – something which, in Europe, we have little to crow about, in this regard.

  22. 22
    slc1

    Re Eoin @ #17

    According to a former boyfriend of Coulter, she doesn’t believe 90% of the crap that comes out of her mouth or her word processor. This is nothing but pandering to the sheeple. Like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, she made a good living out of such activities.

  23. 23
    D. C. Sessions

    surely, the minimum underpinning for serious political discourse is to recognize that words have meaning

    Yes, and that’s why they avoid using words in any coherent sense: to avoid any kind of serious political discourse. It’s all about tribal identification and othering. Example:

    “Marxist” = bad
    “Communist” = bad
    “Islamic” = bad

    Like Hebrew and Apache, you emphasize by repetition. My Apache nickname is “big big old guy” to emphasize that I’m not just big but honking huge. Unlike those languages, emphasis requires that you not repeat, so you can’t call Obama (who is triple bad) “Marxist Marxist Marxist.” You have to say “Marxist-Communist-Islamist.” Of course, most wingnuts don’t think he’s just triple-bad, so they have to dig around for more “bad” adjectives such as “atheist” and “fascist” and “gay.”

    In the example above, accepting gay Scouts is beyond ordinary “bad” so they have to grunt “Marxist-Communist” to express themselves. I’m sure that should the BSA accept gay Scoutmasters, they will have to add at least one more modifier, such as “Marxist Islamofascist!”

    This may seem rather crude and primitive, but it’s a vast improvement over earlier forms of Wingnutese, which mostly consisted of grunts, pointing, and flinging feces. “MarxistCommunistIslamoFascist” may be lacking in elegance, but it’s way better than four handfulls of poo.

  24. 24
    Ace of Sevens

    Any good Marxist would be an atheist and therefore not welcome in the Boy Scouts, right?

  25. 25
    D. C. Sessions

    Goodness knows the man and his administration are far from perfect – is it not sufficient to critique his policies and his governance without recourse to such bizarre, delusional fantasies?

    No, because in fact he simply hasn’t done much of anything that they can focus their hatred on. Thanks to opposition in Congress, he hasn’t had the chance (never mind that he’s probably the second or third most conservative President we’ve ever had.) Most of the seriously objectionable stuff he’s done has been the stuff that they heartily approve of, after all.

    Still, they have to justify the “Worst President EVER!” rants somehow. “Socialist in Chief” and so forth. They get a lot of bile up over the deficit, for instance — you know, the exploding Federal spending (never mind that it’s down more in four-plus years than any President since Eisenhower. Not that that’s a good thing, mind — it’s a big part of the reason we’re still in a depression.) When one of them goes off on blaming him for the Federal debt, try asking what specifically he’s done to cause it. Blank stares, or perhaps a cite of the 2009 stimulus act (800 billion, a drop in the bucket for the past five years.) But it’s all his fault, and not just his fault but malicious to boot.

    So the rhetorical problem arises from the fact that they have to not only loathe him for who he is (black in the White House, and a Democrat) but have to make up pretexts that aren’t so transparently petty. So we get “dog whistles”
    like last year’s “destroying the work requirement for welfare” ads that totally misrepresent the record, or the “scandals” currently going around that have about the substance of a santorum meringue.

  26. 26
    Eoin

    @slc1: “According to a former boyfriend of Coulter, she doesn’t believe 90% of the crap that comes out of her mouth or her word processor. This is nothing but pandering to the sheeple. Like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, she made a good living out of such activities.”

    Which leaves us with the depressing conundrum as to which is worse – a lunatic who actually believes, in all sincerity, their own nonsensical bilge or an opportunist who seeks to capitalize on the ignorance and fears of others in order to garner influence or turn a profit.

    @D.C. Sessions: “In the example above, accepting gay Scouts is beyond ordinary “bad” so they have to grunt “Marxist-Communist” to express themselves. I’m sure that should the BSA accept gay Scoutmasters, they will have to add at least one more modifier, such as “Marxist Islamofascist!””

    At this rate they will end up with compound words that would require the lungs of an Olympian athlete; i.e. homo-islamo-communo-marxo-pinko-femino-atheio-elitists!!!

    Cute kitty avatar is cute, btw.

  27. 27
    D. C. Sessions

    Cute kitty avatar is cute, btw.

    He is awesomely studly for a eunuch. Also large [1] and bad-tempered. But my, oh, my! is he an impressive athlete. And bad temper or no, he’s sometimes awfully sweet.

    [1] About eight kilos. Standing on his hind legs, his nose is about 90 cm off the floor.

  28. 28
    Modusoperandi

    Eoin “Which leaves us with the depressing conundrum as to which is worse – a lunatic who actually believes, in all sincerity, their own nonsensical bilge or an opportunist who seeks to capitalize on the ignorance and fears of others in order to garner influence or turn a profit.”
    Theoretically you can always trust the lunatic (I generally refer to them as True Believers) to do the same thing* (if not the right thing), while the opportunist (or Cynical Manipulator) can be trusted only to do what’s most profitable.
    Practically there’s no difference.
     
    * Marking and remarking Tribal boundaries, mostly. This is why they can be against things they’re for, if someone outside the Tribe (say, Obama) turns for it (See: Stimulus, Cap & Trade, rationality, facts, etc), or for things they’re against if their own leaders are for it (saving Medicare by both making it more expensive, 40% more if memory serves, and passing that extra cost on to the elderly).

  29. 29
    Eoin

    May I say, Modusoperandi, that I am most envious of your remarkable turn of phrase and your (apparently) effortlessly elegant ability to sum up issues in such a cogent and succinct manner. Thank you for your kind response.

  30. 30
    Modusoperandi

    To be fair, Eoin, all I have is time here in solitary.

  31. 31
    Nibi

    D. C. Sessions

    About eight kilos. Standing on his hind legs, his nose is about 90 cm off the floor.

    Hey, buddy, keep your pinko socialist Le Système international d’unités out of this blog.

  32. 32
    John Phillips, FCD

    Nibi, LOL.

  33. 33
    birgerjohansson

    D. C. Sessions

    To save your cat from near-certain future diabetes, I strongly recommend that you s ta rt f eeding him some low-calorie cat fodder that has been recommended by a vet.

    The Republicans are of course, beyond saving from their dysfunction.

  34. 34
    D. C. Sessions

    To save your cat from near-certain future diabetes, I strongly recommend that you s ta rt f eeding him some low-calorie cat fodder that has been recommended by a vet.

    I don’t think we’re communicating very well. He is, if anything, rather too lean. No perceptible body fat, has no difficulty doing a standing leap from the floor to well over two meters on a wall — then another leap from hanging by his claws for another meter and a half.

    Look carefully at the icon and you’ll see floor tiles in the background. They’re 45 cm on a side.

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