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May 06 2013

Nugent Blames Military Suicides on Obama

Ted Nugent and Alex Jones — there’s a match made in whackjob heaven. Nugent went on Jones’ show the other day and made the outlandish and totally unsupported claim that the high suicide rate among veterans is due to Obama violating the constitution so much.

I’m gonna hit you with something even more ugly, and just heartbreaking, and anti-American than anything else. I bet you’ve covered this Alex. We have an epidemic, an unprecedented increase, in the heroes of the U.S. military committing suicides, and I’m gonna tell you why. I’m sure the leftist blogs are gonna attack me, misquote me.

But I’ll tell you why more and more warrior heroes of the military are killing themselves: because they are in absolute frustration and heartbreak that their boss, their commander in chief violates the Constitution that he has made an oath to, while their hero warrior blood brothers are being blown to smithereens and blown up while executing their oath to the same Constitution that the president, the vice president and the attorney general violate.

Yeah, those “hero warrior blood brothers” that you shit your pants to avoid serving with. So Ted, why did they start committing suicide in record numbers during the Bush administration? Oh of course, it couldn’t have anything to do with doing multiple tours of duty, facing death on a daily basis and being away from their families. It couldn’t be that. It must be Obama’s fault.

Oh, and there’s this thing called evidence. And we actually have it in this case because there’s an organization that studies this very question:

At the National Center for Veterans Studies, recent interviews with soldiers whose suicide attempts failed found that each individual has a complex set of reasons for wanting to end their life, with many listing more than 10 different stress factors in their personal lives. The suicide rate was highest among soldiers who were divorced or separated.

Other recent research points to a potential link between suicide and traumatic brain injuries caused by explosions on the battlefield. “Evidence has suggested that blast injuries, including but not limited to those causing damage to vision or hearing, can have a severe psychological impact… that can play a major contributing role in suicides,” 53 members of Congress wrote in a letter sent to Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel in March.

This will have no effect at all, of course, because these people live in an alternate reality where evidence doesn’t matter at all and the truth is whatever they declare it to be.

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  1. 1
    laurentweppe

    of course, because these people live in an alternate reality where evidence doesn’t matter at all and the truth is whatever they declare it to be.

    Also, they’re Fetichizing the army to hide the fact that they hold soldiers in contempt.

  2. 2
    Marcus Ranum

    Ted Nugent

    Wasn’t he dead, or in prison? I forget.

  3. 3
    Marcus Ranum

    Oh of course, it couldn’t have anything to do with doing multiple tours of duty, facing death on a daily basis and being away from their families. It couldn’t be that.

    Surely it wasn’t the guilt from killing complete strangers in an illegal war of aggression. It couldn’t be guilt or shame, that’s for sure. And – if it was – Nugent wouldn’t know, since he appears to recognize neither.

  4. 4
    slc1

    Speaking of foreign wars, the pressure on Obama to intervene in Syria is rising rapidly, due in part to yesterday’s air attack by Israel in the Damascus area, although even John McCain opposes boots on the ground.

    Incidentally, the notion that there is something awesome about Syrian air defenses, as stated by CJSofS Dempsey seems rather pessimistic as Israel seems to feel free to attack Syrian targets whenever they feel like it.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/reported-israeli-airstrikes-in-syria-could-accelerate-us-decision-making/2013/05/05/72c6eafc-b5c2-11e2-92f3-f291801936b8_story.html

  5. 5
    Doug Little

    I find this disturbing that Ted who is so in love with the American troops would completely disregard the situation that the troops are in in a day to day basis both during active combat and also when trying to assimilate back into society after their sacrifice is done. What kind of fucking asshole tries to gain a cheap political shot glossing over the very real and disturbing reasons why US Veterans commit suicide in large numbers rather than addressing said reasons and trying to use his celebrity (I just threw up in my mount a little) to make a fucking difference.

    I give you Ted Fucking Nugent a real stand up guy.

  6. 6
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    Ted Nugent is so full of shit. Must have backed up all the way from his pants to his head. He seems to be fecal vomiting now and has been for some time.

    @2. Marcus Ranum

    Ted Nugent?
    Wasn’t he dead, or in prison? I forget.

    Give it a year. Oh wait we already have.

    Rightwingnutter tells whacky lie – must be a day ending in -y!

  7. 7
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @slc :

    Speaking of foreign wars, the pressure on Obama to intervene in Syria is rising rapidly, due in part to yesterday’s air attack by Israel in the Damascus area, although even John McCain opposes boots on the ground.

    Off topic but okay, I’ll bite, what do you think the West should do in Syria? If you were Obama what would your policy there be?

  8. 8
    roggg

    The suicide rate was highest among soldiers who were divorced or separated.

    Ah….so it’s the breakdown of the traditional family caused by marriage equality, secular values, and the homosexual agenda. Which of course is championed by Obama, so still his fault. Check and (opposite sex) mate.

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    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    PS. I don’t have any answer myself. Don’t know enough about the Syrian situation – not sure anyone really does. Seems a really awful mess with a brutal dictator murdering people versus a loose group of rebels of unclear allegiances and many of them are Islamist extremists some linked with Al Quaida. Others Hezbollah oeof teh nastiest and most notorious and powerful ME terrorist Jihadist groups.

    I will say one thing though – It is good that Israel has stopped Bashar Al-Assad and /or Hezbollah & co from having nuclear weapons by taking out that reactor a few years ago. Thanks Israel, the world owes you on that one.

  10. 10
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    Typo fix for my comment #9 for clarity :

    Other Syrian factions include Hezbollah one of the nastiest, most notorious and powerful ME terrorist Jihadist groups.

    Actually make that one of the Worlds worst terrorist groups along with Al Quaida, Hamas & the Taliban.

  11. 11
    slc1

    Re StevoR @ #7

    I’m glad that I’m not Obama as all the options are bad, mainly because of the presence of Islamic extremists in the opposition to Assad fils. Possibly, we should be considering imposing a no fly zone at least in Northern Syria, provided that the Government of Turkey can be persuaded to allow use of Turkish air bases. As I currently understand the situation, the rebels can more then hold their own on the ground but are stymied by the Syrian air force. Grounding the Syrian air force would at least even up the odds.

  12. 12
    slc1

    Re StevoR @ #9 & 10

    It should be pointed out that Hizbollah is supporting the Syrian government and even has boots on the ground fighting along side of the Syrian army. This is destabilizing the Government of Lebanon, which is currently hosting better then a hundred thousand refugees from Syria. This is in addition to the support provided by Iran to the Syrian government in the form of arms supplies and, it is alleged, boots on the ground.

  13. 13
    caseloweraz

    Nugent: “I’m gonna hit you with something even more ugly, and just heartbreaking, and anti-American than anything else.”

    Ted Nugent opened his mouth again? Then that would apply.

  14. 14
    Raging Bee

    The fact that Alex Jones can’t find anyone better than a stupid has-been bigoted rocker for his show says a lot about his relevance. And the fact that Nugent is trying to use the suffering of vets and their families just to bash Obama says a lot about Nugent’s character. Why the fuck is anyone taking Ted Nugent seriously anymore?

  15. 15
    Artor

    “I’m sure the leftist blogs are gonna attack me, misquote me.”
    Yeah Ted, because we have to twist your words around to make you look like an ignorant, paranoid shitstain. Oh sorry, that’s right- you do that quite well yourself. All we need to do is report what you say verbatim. Wait a minute, aren’t you supposed to be dead or in prison? Please correct that oversight ASAP!

  16. 16
    Raging Bee

    Possibly, we should be considering imposing a no fly zone at least in Northern Syria…

    Okay, I’m considering it…let’s see, a no-fly zone would mean we’re involved enough in Syrian affairs to get some people’s hopes up, and to give people a good excuse to blame the US for whatever goes wrong in Syria, without actually giving us enough power to really influence the outcome.

    Oh, and I’m also considering how well that no-fly zone worked for us in Iraq.

    So no, it’s a shitty idea — the kind of shitty idea that politicians are likely to embrace because it pretends to offer the best of both worlds (intervention without yet another ground invasion), while actually delivering the WORST (getting our hands dirty without actually being able to control the outcone).

  17. 17
    Modusoperandi

    TYPICAL LIBERALS, NEVER MISSING AN OPORTUNITY TO POLITICIZE TRAGEDIES!

  18. 18
    johnfromberkeley

    swooped in to make the same “dead or in prison” joke, but Marcus beat me to it.

  19. 19
    fifthdentist

    A little ditty Goldfinger wrote about the Nuge.

  20. 20
    fifthdentist

    Also, Nugent looks like the Ernest Goes to Camp dude’s evil twin brother.

  21. 21
    slc1

    Re Raging Bee @ #16

    As usual, Bee doesn’t know what he is talking about. The situation in Iraq in the late 1990s and early 2000s was entirely different then the current situation in Syria. In Iraq, there was not effective rebel force fighting against the Hussein government. In Syria, there is an effective rebel force fighting against the Assad fils government. The rebel force in Syria is capable of holding its own and then some if the Syrian air force is grounded. I admit that the no fly zone option is a bad alternative but all the others, including do nothing, are even worse. Grounding the Syrian air force at least gives the opposition a fighting chance.

  22. 22
    slc1

    Re Raging Bee @ #18

    By the way, the no fly zone imposed in Iraq was quite effective in preventing Saddam from massacring the Kurds in Northern Iraq.

  23. 23
    Doug Little

    I’m thinking about making this tee shirt.

    dead or in jail

  24. 24
    tubi

    blown to smithereens and blown up

    I never realized it was that bad over there.

  25. 25
    Raging Bee

    The rebel force in Syria is capable of holding its own and then some if the Syrian air force is grounded.

    I remember hearing the same thing said about the Shiite and Kurdish rebellions against Saddam.

    I admit that the no fly zone option is a bad alternative but all the others, including do nothing, are even worse.

    A lame excuse for lame thinking. You haven’t shown you really understand what results any particular policy will get, so you have no credibility when you insist we have to adopt your idea with no further question.

    Grounding the Syrian air force at least gives the opposition a fighting chance.

    A fighting chance to do WHAT? Given the heavy involvement of radical Islamists in this civil war, and given your own stated worries about the Egyptian revolution, I really don’t think you’re in any position to assure us that US mucking around in Syria will make anything any better for anyone.

  26. 26
    Raging Bee

    Seriously, folks, how many stupid-assed wars have we got ourselves into becaue of “But we GOTTA do SOMETHING!”

  27. 27
    slc1

    Re Raging Bee @ #25

    Considering what they are up against, the opposition in Syria isn’t doing too badly. The opposition in Iraq was never about removing the Saddam regime but protecting the Kurds and the Shiites. The rebellion in Syria is about removing the Alawite regime in Damascus.

    The consensus of expert opinion about the situation in Syria is that the opposition, which is currently being armed by our pals, the Saudis and the Gulf States, while Assad fils is being armed and supported by Russia, Iran and Hizbollah, can win if the Syrian air force is grounded. Maybe we ought to learn something from the debacle in Afghanistan and support the secular opposition in Syria with arms and training (we’re already providing training via the CIA).

    I would only impose a no fly zone in Syria only we get use of Turkish bases. I would be opposed to trying to maintain such a zone from aircraft carriers stationed off the Lebanese coast. If we can’t get the Turks to agree, fagetaboutit.

  28. 28
    Raging Bee

    Maybe we ought to learn something from the debacle in Afghanistan and support the secular opposition in Syria with arms and training…

    Um…what? Afghanistan was a “debacle” precisely because we tried to support a “secular opposition” and ended up with a regime that can’t stand up on its own and might well fall to a decidedly non-secular opposition the minute our troops leave. How does that experience support the case for a no-fly zone in Syria?

    Seriously, dude, we’re having a hard enough time helping the “good guys” win WITH ground troops. Do you really think we can do any good WITHOUT a ground presence?

  29. 29
    Ichthyic

    I’m glad that I’m not Obama as all the options are bad, mainly because of the presence of Islamic extremists in the opposition to Assad fils.

    There is considerable evidence to suggest that Russia and China thwarting UN intervention in Syria is actually what lead to the opposition in Syria looking for help from the Islamic extremeists; they weren’t heavily involved in the first few months of the civil war.

    NOW they are, and now it is indeed a legitimate fear that if the opposition finally wins, there will be an Islamic Brotherhood presence heavily influencing the following government, probably even more so than in Egypt.

  30. 30
    slc1

    Re Raging Bee @ #28

    Excuse me, after the Soviet forces left Afghanistan, we ceased supporting anybody and the Taliban took over by default. My purpose is to prevent that from happening in Syria and doing nothing is, IMHO, calculated to lead to a MB or even worse takeover in Syria in the event that the Assad regime falls precipitously.

  31. 31
    tsig

    Why yes we have to intervene in Syria lest it fall and knock over other dominos. Next thing you know the whole area will be communist terrorist.

  32. 32
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @ slc1 : Cheers for the answers there. Appreciated.

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