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May 02 2013

Biden Wants Torture Report Released

The Senate Intelligence Committee put out a massive and comprehensive report on the use of torture by the government, but no one outside the government has ever seen it because the CIA is afraid it will reveal too much. Vice President Joe Biden says he thinks it should be released:

Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said Friday night that he supports making a classified Senate Intelligence Committee report on torture and enhanced interrogation more available to the public…

Speaking about the classified Senate Intelligence report on the use of torture or enhanced interrogation by the United States, Biden suggested that his personal view is that he agrees with McCain that more information should be made public, while he noted it has been the subject of intense debate at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue.

“Now this voluminous study has been done,” Biden said. “And the internal debate that goes on in the Congress and in the White House is, do we go back and do we expose it? Do we lay out who was responsible and how we got to where we are?”

“It offends the fundamentals of what kind of country we are, and the practical side of it is, don’t think it didn’t damage the United States’ image in the world in ways that we’ll be paying for for years to come,” McCain said, noting his support for disclosing more details of what happened.

“It is not resolved yet, John, but I’m where you are. I think the only way you excise the demons is you acknowledge, you acknowledge exactly what happened straightforward,” Biden said. He explained his position that issues related to torture must be laid out before a country can move beyond them, citing the war crimes committed in the Balkans and other acts of torture overseas.

Tell your boss that. If President Obama wanted that report to be released, it would be released. But that would also put pressure on him to actually do something about it. What that report reveals are crimes, very serious crimes, not only of American law but of the Geneva Conventions and the UN Convention Against Torture. And that’s why Obama doesn’t want it released, because he not only hasn’t done anything to prosecute those crimes, he has actively prevented any attempt to do so.

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  1. 1
    troll

    Maybe this is a repeat of SSM support. Biden came out clearly in favor while Obama was still mincing, which forced Obama’s hand. Perhaps Joe is applying a little soft power again this time.

  2. 2
    Argle Bargle

    I really have to wonder if the report is classified because it would cause embarrassment to the government.

  3. 3
    Konradius

    Can’t Obama use this as leverage against those republican assholes* in congress/the senate?

    Yeah, I should wake up again.

    *I know, I repeat myself

  4. 4
    Chiroptera

    Tell your boss that.

    Technically, Obama isn’t Biden’s boss. Once elected to the office of Vice President, he cannot be removed except through impeachment by the Congress.

  5. 5
    lldayo

    @troll

    Maybe this is a repeat of SSM support. Biden came out clearly in favor while Obama was still mincing, which forced Obama’s hand. Perhaps Joe is applying a little soft power again this time.

    I was thinking the exact same thing! This may be an attempt to test the waters before releasing the report.

  6. 6
    dingojack

    “still mincing”, really? What, wasn’t Obama ‘butch‘ enough for you?
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    Dngo

  7. 7
    Artor

    The US gov’t has zero plausible deniability on the torture issue anymore. Refusal to release this report will only give ammo to the conspiracy theorists and frustrated investigators, who will have to assume that what it reveals is even worse than what is already suspected. I hope Biden is successful in dragging Obama, kicking & screaming if necessary, to the transparency in gov’t that he promised when elected.

  8. 8
    d.c.wilson

    We’ll know the report is about to be released when Cheney books a flight to a non-extradition country.

    I have a feeling, though, that Obama wants to drag this out for as long as possible in order to forestall retaliation from the republicans. As if their antagonism toward him could possibly get any worse.

  9. 9
    timberwoof

    Publish them in context: all the reports that say torture doesn’t work; that it just gets people to make up shit so you’ll leave them alone. Documents such as that go all the way back to the Inquisition. Also publish Senator McCain’s remarks on torture back when he was against it. Publish the arguments made by US senators and diplomats for signing the Geneva Convention.

  10. 10
    Marcus Ranum

    The report is already leaking all over the place, like a decaying corpse in a plastic bag.

  11. 11
    cholten99

    Well, it’s not up on any of the main torrent sites yet but I give it a week or two at most.

  12. 12
    =8)-DX

    I really have to wonder if the report is classified because it would cause embarrassment to the government.

    Isn’t that basically what any beaurocratic CLASSIFIED stamp is for?

  13. 13
    Joey Maloney

    I really have to wonder if the report is classified because it would cause embarrassment to the government.

    I don’t.

  14. 14
    democommie

    And I really have to wonder if Mr. Obama is, since he can’t run again, finally thinking about doing something in the matter.

    While the president’s behavior on a number of issues BUGS THE FUCKING SHIT OUTTA ME I continue to be Charlie Brown to his Lucy van Pelt, hoping against experience that he will finally say, “My turn” and stop pretending that nothing is actionable re:The Dorklord Cheney and meatpuppet, Bush. I will not be betting the house.

  15. 15
    sleepingwytch(inactive)

    Well considering what is widely regarded as the worst form of torture (solitary confinement) is endemic in our US Prison system as well as the ones we set up in Bagram, Abu Graib, Gitmo, and elsewhere, the more exotic forms of torture take a backseat to Haliburton and the likes need to keep a lid on this no matter what the cost.

    Sources: http://ellabakercenter.org/blog/2013/04/solitary-confinement-is-torture-no-matter-where-it-happens
    and http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/03/30/090330fa_fact_gawande

    Torture goes on everyday, in every solitary housing unit in the country. Torture was institutionalized in this country decades before the war on terror ever started, so in order for our country to renounce torture, we have to reform the penal system. THAT’S the political discussion nobody wants to have, because it’s an admission of a larger picture where we, as a country, have the most evilly inhumane yet thorough, comprehensive, and effective (terror actually works a lot of the time if the state is doing it) police state and penal system humanity has ever seen. To think we crow idiotically about liberty and freedom, it’s laughable!

  16. 16
    coragyps

    “We’ll know the report is about to be released when Cheney books a flight to a non-extradition country.”

    Exactly.

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