Cameron Thinks Gay Men Should Marry Women

I have no idea how this happened, but I seem to have found my way onto Paul Cameron’s mailing list. Cameron is the fanatically anti-gay “researcher” who has been thoroughly discredited and thrown out of professional organizations for his rank dishonesty. In an email I received on Monday, really a press release, he says:

COLUMBUS, OH — Dr. Paul Cameron, the first scientist to document the harms of secondhand smoke, went to Ohio’s Capitol Building today to call upon U.S. Senator Rob Portman (R-OH) to reconsider his recently announced support for gay marriage. “Sen. Portman, gay marriage is hazardous to one’s health. For the sake of the son you love, urge him to marry a woman.”

Yeah, that’s a great idea. Does he think that marrying a woman will suddenly stop them from being gay? Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. That’s what gay men often did for a very long time and the results were usually disastrous. Indeed, I think this is a strong argument in favor of marriage equality and in favor of broad acceptance of homosexuality. Equality will reduce the number of such sham marriages and reduce the suffering that so often accompanies them.

31 comments on this post.
  1. marcus:

    Secondhand smoke. Dangerous.
    Secondhand fellatio? Not so much.

  2. iknklast:

    My ex married a woman (me). Then, one day, without warning, and still without telling me he was gay, he walked out. He took the child, the house, a substantial portion of my income, and everything we owned except for the saucepan with the broken handle.

    The resulting trauma that I suffered could have been avoided if we simply approached the issue of human sexuality more rationally. I am only one of many women who have found ourselves in loveless marriages, tormented by guilt and unhappiness, because society put a stigma on homosexuality that forced people to pretend they were not, in fact, homosexual.

  3. Synfandel:

    Paul Cameron clearly thinks sexual orientation is a choice. We know it’s not. If we can’t bridge that gap, we’re just talking past each other.

  4. Michael Heath:

    Cameron’s press release:

    Dr. Paul Cameron, the first scientist to document the harms of secondhand smoke . . .

    I’m skeptical.

  5. raven:

    My husband came out as gay – Daily Mirror
    www. mirror. co.uk/…/my-husband-is-gay-but-were-still-best-1242594

    Aug 10, 2012 – Three years into their marriage and with two young children, things came to an end – but not for the more obvious reasons.

    Honey, I’m Gay – Coming Out Stories, Coping and Overcoming …
    www. people. com/people/archive/article/0,,20145397,00.html

    Sep 13, 2004 – What’s It Like When a Spouse Comes Out? … “I had no reason to suspect my husband was gay. … But soon came anger, then depression.

    Gay men marrying women happens a lot.

    It quite often ends unhappily, frequently after a few kids are born.

  6. Ulysses:

    Cameron once wrote about the allure of homosexual sex, something to the effect that if a man made love to another man neither of them would go back to women. I read that and thought “I know what Cameron fantasizes about when he’s doing the dirty with the missus.”

  7. Callinectes:

    No no, this is perfect. This way both gay men and women are punished. Do you not recognise genius?

  8. manfromflanders:

    The same argument was screamed over by opponents of gay marriage here in France, along with concerns about children’s bien-être and ‘end of civilization’. A carbon-copy of what is usually advanced in the US by the godbots and bible-thumpers.

    Glad the law was voted last Tuesday. Things have been going very nasty in the last few months, including acts of violence against the gay community (Even in my city) and increasingly more and more down-in-the-shitter statements. France, formerly the “Church’s eldest daughter”, may be nowadays one of the most secular countries to exist but one could spot the influence and puppetmastering of the French RCC, with the complicity of the right-wing and the far right behind the shenanigans that created the nauseating atmosphere we’ve been experiencing until now.

    I’m quite surprised of the little echo the recent events here had in the US; funnily enough I don’t think the US would encounter the level of violence exhibited by the French right-wing.

  9. Pierce R. Butler:

    Gay men Lesbians should marry women.

    Anything else I can fix for ya while I’m here, Dr. Cameron?

  10. Modusoperandi:

    Look, nobody said marriages are supposed to be happy. They just have to be sacred.

  11. Gretchen:

    Does he think that marrying a woman will suddenly stop them from being gay? Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. That’s what gay men often did for a very long time and the results were usually disastrous.

    My ex’s dad did this to his mom. They divorced when their twin boys were old enough hold it against him. And, I think, still do.

  12. slc1:

    What a great idea (end snark). Just ask the former wife of former New Jersey Governor Jim McGreevey.

  13. Abby Normal:

    Wait a sec, how is gay marriage hazardous to one’s health? Men having sex with men, I’ll admit carries somewhat greater risks than women with men. But it’s not like these guys are saving themselves for marriage. In fact if my straight, married friends are any indication, gay marriage is an effective way of greatly reducing the amount of sex these men are having. So again, how is gay marriage itself hazardous?

  14. vmanis1:

    Being LGBT is not a choice. Being a malicious jackass who fabricates `scientific’ data in order to defame LGBTs, their families, and their friends is a choice.

    You can change, Mr Cameron.

  15. Nemo:

    Equality will reduce the number of such sham marriages

    But, that would mean fewer babies! Which… is bad, supposedly, for reasons I don’t understand.

  16. slc1:

    Re vmanis1 @ #14

    That’s the problem, virtually all of the gay bashers insist that homosexuality is a choice.

  17. D. C. Sessions:

    But, that would mean fewer babies! Which… is bad, supposedly, for reasons I don’t understand.

    More babies => faster growth in population density.
    Faster growth in population density => more social stress
    Faster growth in population => sooner resource exhaustion
    More stress + resource exhaustion => War!

    And thus we get that most desired of goals, the End Time.

  18. ahcuah:

    Why would Cameron go to the Statehouse (which is what Ohio’s Capitol building is called) to see Portman? It has nothing to do with the U.S. Senate, just a bunch of state legislators. Does Cameron not even know the difference between state and federal government?

  19. kemist, Dark Lord of the Sith:

    Cameron once wrote about the allure of homosexual sex, something to the effect that if a man made love to another man neither of them would go back to women.

    Any man who can write such things is, by definition, gay. I’m not saying this in the “lol, me thinks you doth protest too much” sense. It’s just that the only way I see that anyone can come to such a conclusion is by ascribing their own personal preferences to all men, and cannot be very interested in women sexually. That he does not realize this, or does not want to admit it, means that his insight is hilariously poor.

    His marriage, if he has one, must be a deeply unhappy affair.

  20. DaveL:

    Wait a sec, how is gay marriage hazardous to one’s health? Men having sex with men, I’ll admit carries somewhat greater risks than women with men

    That is, of course, the dirty little secret of the “dangers of Gay Sex” crowd: the risk factor is not homosexuality, but rather sex with men. Pretty much all the health risks they bring up are higher for women who have sex with men than for women who have sex with women.

  21. baal:

    @dc #17 – that’s high school debate in a nutshell.

    Just up and walking out is pretty damn shitty regardless of why. My paternal grandfather did that to be with his secretary rather than my grandmother (and the 6 kids). I don’t think my father ever really got over it.

    As to #’s of babies born, the three gay couples I know that are in long term relationships all have (intentional) kids.

    Even if they didn’t, the # of ‘missing’ children from bearded relationships not existing would be overwhelmed by other factors. At best we’re looking at what 1% population in SSM? You lose that a lot more than that (like an order of magnitude) from the hetero community during crappy economic conditions. If they really want more babies, they need to fix the income and wealth disparities in the US. (Honey, let’s have a baby. Are you kidding? We can’t hardly afford shoes and regular dental care for the 2 we have!)

  22. D. C. Sessions:

    His marriage, if he has one, must be a deeply unhappy affair.

    Depends. Maybe she’s not interested in sex with men.

    They could, hypothetically, be very good friends and partners otherwise but not sexually attracted. Unlikely, I admit, but possible.

  23. tbp1:

    I don’t have time to find the reference now, but isn’t this the guy who was preemptively thrown out of some professional groups, that is, thrown out before he could even join?

  24. Johnny Au Gratin:

    The most important things in any intentional relationship, whether it be friendship, dating, sex, or marriage are honesty, communication, and respect. Cameron is suggesting people dispense with all three and framing this as the most moral choice.

    Admittedly, sexual orientation can be a fuzzy continuum, but this merely highlights the importance of honesty, communication, and respect. When I was in college, my best friend identified as a lesbian. We would study together and help each other with assignments. We both decided we enjoyed each others company and wanted to spend more time together. So we did. We hung out at each other’s apartments and had long, often intimate, and always enjoyable conversations. We began going on what would have to be described as dates, to movies, shows, parks, and so on. Eventually, the relationship grew more intimate and incuded sex (initiated by her, but with my enthusiastic agreement). All of this occurred in an atmosphere of mutual honest and respectful communication and consent. We both knew that in the long run we would most likely choose someone else and were frank enough to let each other know that while enjoying our chance to make each other happy for a while.

    I don’t really know if the choice to move our relationship in that direction was the wisest decision either of us could have made, but I think it was nearly the polar opposite of what Cameron is advocating.

  25. d.c.wilson:

    Wait a sec, how is gay marriage hazardous to one’s health? Men having sex with men, I’ll admit carries somewhat greater risks than women with men. But it’s not like these guys are saving themselves for marriage. In fact if my straight, married friends are any indication, gay marriage is an effective way of greatly reducing the amount of sex these men are having. So again, how is gay marriage itself hazardous?

    You’re assuming he means gay marriage is hazardous to the health of the actual married couple. Like most wingnuts, Cameron doesn’t really give a rat’s ass about their health. If you run it through the Wingnutese-to-English function on Google Translate, you’ll see that what he really means is this:

    “Gay marriage reminds me that gays actually exist, which is very hazardous to my emotional health. Gays need to stay in the closet or I can’t push these wicked, wicked thoughts out of my head.

  26. laurentweppe:

    Equality will reduce the number of such sham marriages and reduce the suffering that so often accompanies them.

    That’s the thing: for you, a Real True Marriage™ is about the partnership between two people who love each other.
    For the reactionary wing of the upper-class Marriage is either one male aristocrat using a woman to extend his bloodline or two commoners breeding more servants

  27. Dr X:

    Boys don’t marry boys. They rent them.

  28. dingojack:

    From the FoaW:

    Cameron is married and has several children.[2] His son Kirk received a doctorate in statistics from Stanford University and has been involved with the Family Research Institute since 1983.[2][20]

    Dingo
    ——–
    [2]. Ward Harkavy (October 3, 1996). “Slay It With a Smile: Paul Cameron’s mission to stop homosexuality is hard to swallow”. Westword. Retrieved 2006-02-20.
    [20]. Family Research Institute (2006). “FRI Scientists”. Archived from the original on October 9, 2007. Retrieved 2007-11-03.

  29. blf:

    manfromflanders@8, I’m not French but live in (Southern) France. I too was astonished by the violence, threats, and completely illogical statements that happened. And the apparent similarity to the “arguments” put forth in USAlienstan, albeit probably orchestrated by the Raping Children Cult to a much higher degree than happens in USAlienstan. (On the other hand, USAlienstan has enough batshite cults of its own…)

    I think my favorite bit of nuttiness was the claim by some elected wacko in Parliament so the effect that allowing Teh Gay to marry would also allow(? lead to allowing?) marriage to animals and objects.

    In my immediate locale / village, Le Pen’s nazis are far too active — this area in France voted almost c.25% for those fruitcakes in the last (Presidential) election — but weirdly, I’m not aware of any protests against (or demonstrations for) the gay marriage law. There certainly have been some in the nearby cities, however…

  30. slc1:

    Re Michael Heath @ #4

    Although I can’t find a specific link in Google, it does appear that Cameron did participate in research efforts involving second hand smoke before he turned into a nutcase. However, the claim of being the first to point it out appears to be wildly overstated.

  31. laurentweppe:

    Wait a minute.

    French Meridional Mode ON

    Tu habites dans le sud et c’est seulement Maintenant que tu y découvre les vieux cons réacs du coin? Tu les as jamais entendu bavasser aux arrêts de bus, quand ils font la queue dans les marchés, quand ils squattent les tables des bars, dans les sales d’attentes des docteurs?

    French Meridional Mode OFF

    Yeah: southern France has been a bastion for far-right wingnuttery for a very long time: its’s at the same time a land immigration since prehistory and one where the difference in wealth between old money and pennyless newcomers is enormous: one very dangerous mix.

    But contrary to what you seem to belive, it has little to do with the influence of the Catholic Church: the divorce between fundies (who often come from old bourgeois and aristocratic families for whom religion is little more than a tool to maintain endogamy) and moderates is deep and old to the point where theyr barely speak the same language anymore and nowadays, you are as likely if not more to find a wingnut among atheists than among practicing catholics.

    The main motive behind the current violence comes from the fact that the anti-marriage-equality, far from being stupid, are keenly aware that demography is working against them: their demonstrations are one giant attempt at imposing their Heckler’s Veto, hence the cranking up of the stupid rhetoric and the thinly veiled threats of violence (which are not always threats: we’ve had deputies assaulting a high-ranking functionary within the National Assembly Hall

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