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AR Republican: Make Legislators ‘Bullet Backstops’ Over Medicaid

The Arkansas legislature decided last week that would expand Medicaid in that state in conformity with the Affordable Care Act and Chris Nogy of the Benton County Republican Party published a piece in their newsletter urging people to literally threaten the lives of legislators that voted for the bill.

I don’t feel the same way about the Democrats as bullet backstops as I do about the Republicans who joined them. The Democrats were doing what their party told them they had to do because they were elected to do that job. We wailed and cried and threw up our hands every time the Democrat socialist Governor driven Senate and House rammed through things that we knew were dangerous, but that was the fact of the elections…

So what do we do? While I believe that we as a party are done in Arkansas after this, if there is ANY hope of our survival, it is going to take not being forgiving. Not only for past actions, but to show those who will come in the future that the cost of failure to do the thing they were elected to do will be significant. We need to be making a point of this failure from this moment on. We need to make a public statement from our groups that we no longer support those who turned on us, that we will NOT be working to their re-election, that we will be actively seeking replacements, and perhaps even working towards recall. We as the Party have to stand up and say ‘no more – you were given a job, you campaigned on the promise to do this job, you had the ability to do this job, you had the votes each time to do this job, and yet for no legitimate reason you betrayed the trust put in you by the electorate and you are now completely and permanently politically finished.’ We need to let those who will come in the future to represent us that we are serious. The 2nd amendment means nothing unless those in power believe you would have no problem simply walking up and shooting them if they got too far out of line and stopped responding as representatives. It seems that we are unable to muster that belief in any of our representatives on a state or federal level, but we have to have something, something costly, something that they will fear that we will use if they step out of line.

As ThinkProgress notes, the leadership of the Benton County GOP quickly condemned this and said that it should never have been published (Nogy’s wife puts out the newsletter), so don’t be surprised if it disappears from the web. But they need to go a lot further than that. Nogy and his wife should be booted from the party and the police should probably pay them a visit.

Comments

  1. lldayo says

    Since the threat involves heads of state I wouldn’t be surprised if the feds showed up as well. In fact, they should have a law enforcement party at this guys house! Last one there brings the doughnuts.

  2. brucegee1962 says

    The 2nd amendment means nothing unless those in power believe you would have no problem simply walking up and shooting them if they got too far out of line and stopped responding as representatives.”

    Apparently there was another version of the 2nd amendment out there:

    “A well regulated militia AND POLITICAL ASSASSINATION being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

    Obviously that’s what Madison had in mind — just a slip of the pen left it out, right?

  3. Pierce R. Butler says

    The 2nd amendment means nothing unless those in power believe you would have no problem simply walking up and shooting them if they got too far out of line and stopped responding as representatives.

    Tell it to Gabby Giffords, Nogy!

  4. tynk says

    1: I thought the conservative/tea party/republicans were not violent
    2: Wholy crap! That is the most blatant call for violence I have seen from them. And advocating direct bodily to members of congress… lesser threats on twitter were investigated by Secret Service after the last election.

  5. Synfandel says

    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to murder elected public officials with whom they disagree shall not be infringed.

  6. greg1466 says

    Looking beyond the all too common threat of violence, I see the big message here as that he feels the problem with the Party, or at least certain members of the Party, is that they have committed the grave sin of compromising. And that is simply unforgivable when you insist on the fact that you live in a black and white world.

  7. raven says

    The 2nd amendment means nothing unless those in power believe you would have no problem simply walking up and shooting them if they got too far out of line and stopped responding as representatives.”

    Does the 2nd amendment also cover shooting wackos who advocate political assassinations? Such as the guy in Arkansas who wants to use legislators as bullet backstops?

    Inquiring minds want to know don’t really care.

  8. iknklast says

    AJS – nearly everyone I know. They see it as free medicine for SOMEONE ELSE. And they believe, against all the evidence, that the government will not be giving them anything, has never given them anything, and they are not going to spend one cent for lazy lie-abouts (read: minorities and women) to get medical care.

  9. ambulocetacean says

    So is he actually saying to shoot Republican traitors rather than Democrats? That’s something a bit different, I suppose.
    .

    But I didn’t think that the Second Amendment gave Americans the right to just kill any elected representative with whom they disagreed.
    .
    If that’s the case, your politicians must be very brave men and women indeed, right down to your local dog catcher.

  10. says

    AJS “Who the living fuck votes against free medicine?”
    It’s not free. Medicaid is one of the lowest cost methods in the USA’s healthcare pantheon, but it ain’t free.
    In America tribute flows up, loathing flows down. Medicaid goes down, and helping those below you is wrong, unless it’s via personal charity (which is okay because you can pick who benefits).
    Life is a morality play, you see, and the people at the bottom are there because they’re lazy. Giving lazy people handouts, like food stamps and not dying, just helps them be lazy.
    And pay no attention to the fact that a bunch of the people against “entitlements” are on them themselves, because they earned that, while the moochers didn’t.

  11. tynk says

    @AJS:
    It’s pretty simple actually, the private insurance companies make a Metric Shit Ton of Money(MSToM). They want to continue to make a MSToM, so they take a pittance of that MSToM (Around $102.4 million US) on purchasing legislators lobbying. The legislators then go to their other sugar daddies Fox News interviews to push bullshit and lies such as;

    1: The government is going to decide YOU can not have medicine so you will die.
    2: Universal health care is socialism just like (Nazis, Stalin, China etc).
    3: Every penny you pay in taxes is stolen from you including other peoples health care.

    the list is much much longer… but I have food.

  12. ambulocetacean says

    MO #13

    helping those below you is wrong, unless it’s via personal charity (which is okay because you can pick who benefits).

    Personal charity is especially awesome because you can choose not to do it at all. That’s real freedom right there!

  13. Ben P says

    Democrat socialist Governor driven Senate

    I’m from Arkansas. The fact that someone thinks Mike Beebe is a socialist is about the funniest goddamn thing I can imagine. Beebe is arguably the most conservative democratic governor in the country, Arkansas was and still is to some extent, the center of the “blue dog” democratic caucus. Putting it differently it was probably the last place that Dixiecrats finally lost power.

  14. chirez says

    The thing I find most interesting about this is that it makes explicit an apparent belief held by some of those who venerate that second amendment of yours. Namely that the right to bear arms is synonymous with the right to armed insurrection.

    Now I may be guilty of absolutism at times, but it seems to me unlikely that any government anywhere, even the perfect beacon of light which shines from the US constitution, would codify the right of the citizenry to violent rebellion. It seems like the antithesis of government to me. Yet this is exactly what such beliefs seem to imply.

    Anyone who wants to defend a law based on the fact that it makes it easier to overthrow the legislature must surely be terribly confused about the relationship between the two. I think it must stem from the idea that the US government is constrained in its actions by the constitution, but seriously, if an armed mob marched on the capitol I’d lay money they’d be arrested regardless of their self declared rights.

  15. abb3w says

    Reading the entire brain-straining madness in entirety, it looks like this is not so much a threat against Dems as against the GOP. He clearly doesn’t mind shooting Democrats, but reserves the main focus of his rage for the elected Republicans who have dared to compromise by deviating from the imperial demands of the Tea Party far right.

    I am dubious that this is any improvement.

  16. Ben P says

    Reading the entire brain-straining madness in entirety, it looks like this is not so much a threat against Dems as against the GOP. He clearly doesn’t mind shooting Democrats, but reserves the main focus of his rage for the elected Republicans who have dared to compromise by deviating from the imperial demands of the Tea Party far right.

    This is kind of just an odd side point, but Benton County wouldn’t have needed the Tea Party to become far right. This is the heart of “god and guns” country up in the ozark mountains. . Bentonville is the county seat of Benton County.

    If you’ve heard of Bentonville, Arkansas. it’s because that’s where Sam Walton opened a “five and dime” store in 1950. That store became the root of “Wal-mart.”

  17. D. C. Sessions says

    Somebody has been reading H. Beam Piper and seems to think that Six Gun Planet is a Utopian manifesto.

  18. The Cat From Outer Space says

    So it seems Nogy has written the best (well, the best I’ve seen anyway) notpology in history:

    For those who have misinterpreted my editorial as calling for lethal violence in dealing with elected officials, I apologize for writing this in such a way as to be misunderstood.

    He apparently also issued a “clarification” thusly (treat with a grain of salt though):

    In the “clarification” published in the 5NEWS Comments section, the person identifying himself as Nogy says he “didn’t advocate violence” and “most likely won’t try to kill them or harm their families.”
    “I mentioned violence to get people’s attention, and it worked,” he writes.

  19. raven says

    and “most likely won’t try to kill them or harm their families.”

    I’m sure those GOP legislators and their families are relieved.

    He “most likely” won’t try to kill them. I do wonder what “most likely” means. 10% chance? 40% chance?

    He doesn’t sound too sure about his future homicidal intent here. What happens if he changes his mind?

    And BTW, isn’t this terrorism.

    You can bet if his name was something like Ghengis Tsarnaev or Abdul Ismael, DHS/FBI would be asking him for a clarification. And guys like Denninger and the rest of the Tea Party would be suggesting it be done at Gitmo.

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