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Apr 24 2013

Kansas School Offers Creationist Assembly

The ACLU is trying to get a Kansas school district to cancel a mandatory school assembly put on by the Creation Truth Foundation, an Oklahoma creationist group. The assembly is going to be about dinosaurs, which this group claims were in the Bible and lived alongside human beings.

The issue arose because members of the Oklahoma-based Creation Truth Foundation are to speak next week at several events on school property, including public gatherings in the evening and assemblies during the school day.

Foundation instructor Matt Miles said creationism would be discussed only during events conducted outside the school day. During the school assemblies, students are shown pictures and fossils, Miles said.

“We’re going to come in and talk about dinosaurs, so nothing Biblical,” Miles said.

Crawford said the speakers, who also operate under the name of the Foundation for the Advancement of Childhood Education, won’t be allowed to use the school assemblies to promote the evening events.

“I agree with the ACLU, in that, if a mandatory all-school assembly where creationist truths or creationist beliefs were expressed, that would be inappropriate public-school content, and that is not the case,” Crawford said. “It’s completely and totally school appropriate.”

Oh yes, I’m sure there’s no connection at all between the outside events, which will undoubtedly be standard young earth creationist sermons, and the school events. But if you really don’t think they’re connected, why have them put on the assemblies at all? If you want to do an assembly to teach kids about dinosaurs, why not invite real scientists who study dinosaurs? I’m sure there are many paleontologists at Kansas universities who would be happy to give such a presentation. Matt Miles is not a scientist, he’s a missionary and a minister:

Matt & Theresa are missionaries to the Church’s Youth. They have been with CTF since January 2006. The Miles’ graduated from Manhattan Christian College, and since then Matt has effectively served the Lord in three different Kansas churches as Youth Pastor. Matt’s burden for today’s church youth has led him to serve the CTF ministry as Student Worldview Director through our in-house program called SWAT (Student Worldview Advanced Training). Matt is a well-studied preacher and teacher of Biblical origins, and has through much study developed an excellent program in Biblical Astronomy. He is a very talented communicator with young people of all ages, and is becoming a much sought after speaker in Christian youth camps and youth training programs.

Yeah, why would you want a paleontologist to teach kids about dinosaurs when you get a youth pastor to do it?

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  1. 1
    Randomfactor

    Bet they’re getting a special rate for their evening rental of the facilities, plus they can direct students from the school function to the other one.

  2. 2
    D. C. Sessions

    Anyone care to guess whether cell phones and other potential recording devices will be collected beforehand?

  3. 3
    timberwoof

    “Biblical origins”? Does that mean where Bibles come from? No, it means where he thinks his version of the Bible says the world came from. “Biblical Astronomy”? What is that? The Cliff’s Notes on Biblical Astronomy would not have to cut anything out from what’s already mentioned in the Bible about astronomy.

    “Matt has effectively served the Lord in three different Kansas churches as Youth Pastor. Matt’s burden for today’s church youth…” Lying to kids is a burden he should not have to carry.

    The reason they want to do the special presentation for the kids is that at the school assembly there will be no opportunity whatsoever for anyone, not even the school’s science teacher, to ask questions or present the evidence that refutes the dogma.

  4. 4
    lclane2

    How do they know the talks are strictly scientific? Matt Miles says so.

  5. 5
    lorenprice

    The CFI branches in British Columbia recently organized a tour by paleontologist David Eberth, and to our surprise we approached a private Christian school and they allowed him to present to students on dinosaur to bird evolution.

  6. 6
    Modusoperandi

    “…and has through much study developed an excellent program in Biblical Astronomy.”

    Lies! His model is not a 6-10,000 year old universe where the stars and sky are a tent over a flat Earth.
     
    timberwoof “‘Biblical origins’? Does that mean where Bibles come from?”
    No. That is the prequel to Biblical.

  7. 7
    Reginald Selkirk

    … and has through much study developed an excellent program in Biblical Astronomy.

    Intriguing.

  8. 8
    chilidog99

    Who wants to bet the kids laugh at him?

  9. 9
    D. C. Sessions

    That is the prequel to Biblical.

    Wait — wasn’t that a Mr. Diety episode? The whole “superhero origins story” formula?

  10. 10
    Worldtraveller

    If the school ignores the ACLU (and, given the location, it wouldn’t surprise me), I do hope that they at least get permission to record it, cuz the school’s totally got nuthin’ to hide, right?

    If not, I really hope at least one or two students manage a recording and publicize it.

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    jaytheostrich

    “Creation Truth” Foundation.. never trust any organization with an oxymoron in it’s name.

    Not sure why anyone would listen to pastors speak about something that ISN’T EVEN MENTIONED in the Bible.. any ‘facts’ they make up about that would be inference anyways.

    “..But.. but.. Christianity!”

  12. 12
    Doug Little

    I agree with the ACLU, in that, if a mandatory all-school assembly where creationist truths or creationist beliefs were expressed

    Stop it JUST FUCKING STOP IT. There is nothing, NOTHING even remotely truthful about creationist claims.

  13. 13
    kantalope

    oooh, oooh: I know the astronomy answers: crystal spheres!

  14. 14
    janiceintoronto

    Looks like it’s up to me to say it again. Fuckers!

  15. 15
    Abby Normal

    I wonder how they’d feel about mandatory attendance to an assembly for a mosque group coming to speak about volunteerism and civic responsibility, followed in the evening by a voluntary presentation on the five pillars of Islam. That would be equally welcome, right?

  16. 16
    David Hart

    Purely by chance, I was flicking through the Red Meat website for the first time in years, and this beautifully appropriate one came up:
    http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/2013-03-12/index.html

  17. 17
    bad Jim

    When are the atheists finally going to accept that dinosaurs were indeed mentioned in the bible and that humans continue to live with them? /cladistics

  18. 18
    Ichthyic

    Who wants to bet the kids laugh at him?

    statistically, at least 30-40% won’t.

    and, this being Kansas, you probably could make that 50-60% and be conservative.

  19. 19
    matty1

    So how will this assembly go?

    “Now I’m not allowed to promote tonight’s event on the truth about these dinosaurs but if you were to come along” *winks*

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