WND: Feds ‘Admit’ to Our Conspiracy Theory


The Worldnutdaily puts their total lack of honesty and integrity on full display with this article headlined “FEDS ADMIT DRYING UP AMMO SUPPLIES.” But the only “admission” is what has been known all along, that the Department of Homeland Security had signed a contract for a large amount of ammunition over the next few years. This is the sum total of that “admission.”

Napolitano was being asked by Rep. Jeff Duncan, R-S.C., about the reports of the purchases, and she explained her department dismissed the concerns when they arose, not feeling it was worth a response.

She said the widely reported purchase of 1.6 billion rounds – enough for many years of a war at the rate ammunition is used by the U.S. military these days – was right. At least she thought so.

“This was a five-year strategic sourcing contract for up to one-point-whatever billion rounds,” she confirmed.

OMG! She admitted what no one has ever disputed! Therefore all our conspiracy theories are true! The fact that this has been debunked even by conservative pundits and news sources has had no effect at all as the WND continues to push this stupid paranoia.

Comments

  1. davidct says

    1.6 billion rounds out of the private sector does not seem to have done the trick since there is still plenty of ammo for sale at the sports shops.

  2. Doug Little says

    The Department of Homeland Security employs 240,000 people, assuming a good portion of them need to know how to shoot and remain proficient with a side arm that’s a hell of a lot of rounds just used for practice.

  3. Doug Little says

    Someone bought it up before that the rounds come from manufacturers that do not supply the general public anyway.

  4. eric says

    Complain about DHS buying lots of ammo in the morning. Demand the US beef up border security and enforcement in the afternoon. The cluelessness and inconsistency is almost funny.

  5. Hercules Grytpype-Thynne says

    This has been debunked even by the NRA itself. Doesn’t seem to matter.

  6. Ben P says

    I wonder how many bullets the wingnuts have bought since November 2008?
    Probably makes 1.6 billion look like a piss in the Pacific.

    I decided to look, and discovered some interesting facts, and one fact that scared me, but turns out to be pretty suspicious.

    DHS published the purchase order proposal for “up to 1.6 billion rounds over five years” or about 300 million rounds a year for five years. This would mean DHS, with all of its various component agencies, anticipated that at the highest, they’ll use about 300 million a year. Conservative debunkings of the ammo myth suggest actual use is about half that.

    In searching, I found an industry publication saying the US army was consuming 300 millon rounds of ammo a day during the Iraq war, this was clearly wrong, and probably was a month. Other sources confirm that 99% of the small arms ammunition used by the military is produced in one factory in Lake City missouri, and this one factory produces 1.4 billion rounds of ammunition a year.

    Accounting that police and other LEA’s use a lot of ammo, I’d guess the private sector in the US probably consumes between 5 and 7 billion rounds of ammo a year. That’s 23 rounds per person, which may sound like a lot to a non-shooter, but really isn’t very much. If you go to the range you realistically expect to use at least 20 and often 50 rounds of ammunition target shooting. Less if you’re shooting with very expensive bullets.

  7. Ben P says

    I somehow forgot the primary fact, which is that estimates are that US annual ammo production is apparently about 10 billion rounds a year.

  8. says

    There’s an open-air target range near my house that uses more than 1.5 billion rounds a day — at least it sounds like that sometimes.

    It’s a never-ending “pop pop pop pop”. With the occasional “BOOM!” All day, every day.

  9. kermit. says

    I thought the wingnuts loved DHS?

    If 100,000 of their employees needed firearm proficiency…
    One practice session a month x 250 rounds per session x 5 years = 1.5 billion.

    That’s perfectly reasonable. I thought sure that wingnuts knew enough arithmetic to confirm their paycheck. Maybe not. [shrug]

    I once worked with three …low information voters …fifty years ago. Named Lucas, Frog, and Emery, they didn’t know it was election day until they went to the liquor store and it was closed. I guess their grandkids have learned how to vote. Dang.

  10. says

    She said the widely reported purchase of 1.6 billion rounds – enough for many years of a war at the rate ammunition is used by the U.S. military these days

    As kermit shows, that’s about the right amount of ammunition for DHS keeping their staff current in firearms practice, so it should surprise no one.
    _
    But the second half of the sentence is what amazes me. It’s such an impressive lie. 15 seconds on Google gave me the production figures for the US Army small-arms ammunition supply plant at Lake City. Pre-2005, it was producing 0.4-0.6 billion rounds/year. Since then, production has been 1.2-1.3 billion rounds/year. The US Army, which is only a small part of the US military, uses as much small arms munitions every year as DHS uses in five.

  11. says

    @myself:

    Should be: “The US Army, which is only a part of the US military, uses as much small arms munitions every years as DHS uses in four” – the Army is not a small thing, and I should be more precise in my division.

  12. peterh says

    @ #2:
    You might sing, “I got plenty o’ nuthin’,” since the “plenty of ammo” on sporting shop shelves is 90% for non-common calibers. There is nearly zero of the calibers commonly used by casual shooters. And this is based on both local and mail-order sources. The stuff that everyday shooters use cannot be found except in tiny dribbles.

  13. Ben P says

    @ #2:
    You might sing, “I got plenty o’ nuthin’,” since the “plenty of ammo” on sporting shop shelves is 90% for non-common calibers. There is nearly zero of the calibers commonly used by casual shooters. And this is based on both local and mail-order sources. The stuff that everyday shooters use cannot be found except in tiny dribbles.

    From both personal knowledge and a couple sources tiny dribbles isn’t quite true. The stores are getting the same amount shipped in they always have, if not more. People are snapping it up the moment it hits store shelves and stores are selling out of popular cartridges within hours.

    Just for example’s sake, I’ll cite no less than Breitbart’s debunking of the ammunition hoax

    MYTH: Then why can’t I find ammo? What’s causing the shortage?

    FACT: We’re causing the shortage. As an employee for a major firearms retailer, I can testify we receive shipments of the three highest demand calibers (9mm, .22 LR, and .223 Rem/5.56 NATO) at least 3-5 times weekly and in quantities far exceeding our normal shipments. We see as many as 1,000 boxes of ammunition disappear in as little as four hours.

    People are responding to the unknown with fear and hoarding of ammunition. Manufacturers are replenishing the shelves, but the civilian market is buying it too fast due to warranted (and unwarranted) concerns. Don’t believe me? Ask your dealers, or wait at a local Wal-Mart.

    Ironically however, the first two links for “Brietbart ammunition hoax” are the story above and a Breitbart story promoting the conspiracy

  14. chilidog99 says

    Ben p @8.

    DHS published the purchase order proposal for “up to 1.6 billion rounds over five years”

    Link please. I want to see the actual DHS bid solicitation(s) that add up to tho amount, not someone’s claim that it exists.

    Provide the link or admit that the 1.6 billion figure is an Internet myth.

  15. chilidog99 says

    Doug Little @4. ATK operating the Lake City Army Ammo plant won the contract to supply the .40 cal ammo (450 million over 5 years)

  16. peterh says

    @ Ben P,

    I have been checking daily in person the local outlets as well as the on-line suppliers I and my hunting/shooting colleagues have been using. There is little or no ammunition in the more popular calibers. This includes sources of ammo only and large-scale sporting suppliers such as Cabela’s.

    Now, if you could put me on to those sources you’re so sure of, there might be some I would order.

  17. chilidog99 says

    Peter, I suspect that some of the Preppers out there are in full panic mode and are buying up ANY ammo they can find, even if they don’t have that caliber weapon. In their minds, they can trade later.

  18. Ben P says

    Link please. I want to see the actual DHS bid solicitation(s) that add up to tho amount, not someone’s claim that it exists.

    Provide the link or admit that the 1.6 billion figure is an Internet myth.

    I posted a response with links that went into moderation. Short version, there’s an “indefinite quantity, indefinite delivery” solicitation to supply ammo to DHS for a period from Jan. 1, 2010 to Dec. 31, 2015 for a “minimum of $1000, and up to a maximum of $1.9 billion a year for a total of $9.5 billion. I believe this was the source for the Forbes article that was the initial mainstream-ish source of this.

    The key phrase in the post before is “up to.” The suppliers are invited to submit bids to supply all the ammo DHS wants for five years at a fixed price, “up to” a specified amount. In the context of such contracts it only makes sense that the specified amount is far and above what you will actually need, so you don’t have to get another contract even if everything goes to hell.

    I also linked the Coburn letter and two articles with direct quotes from government officials explaining the purchases. the Coburn letter shows DHS actually purchases about 100 million rounds a year at the cost of about 36 million dollars, or an average of about 36c a round. The purported amount is about 300 million a year, so not shockingly more than what they actually say they use, and within what someone could easily say “well how much could we possibly ever need?” “well, triple what we use.”

  19. Ben P says

    I have been checking daily in person the local outlets as well as the on-line suppliers I and my hunting/shooting colleagues have been using. There is little or no ammunition in the more popular calibers. This includes sources of ammo only and large-scale sporting suppliers such as Cabela’s.

    Now, if you could put me on to those sources you’re so sure of, there might be some I would order.

    I know at least two people locally that go to wal-mart at 6am to get ammo when the truck comes in. They wait in line…at 6am… for it to hit the shelves. Try asking for a manager and asking when they expect to get more, I bet they’ll get a shipment at some point.

  20. chilidog99 says

    I posted a response with links that went into moderation

    Sorry. No soup for you.

    Post one link at a time.

    Otherwise I still say that this is a bunch of crap.

  21. chilidog99 says

    Block quote fail

    Dan one link is all you need.

    Post the 1.6 billion round request

  22. Ben P says

    Sorry. No soup for you.

    Post one link at a time.

    Otherwise I still say that this is a bunch of crap.

    First response: fuck you, do your own reasearch. I’m not responsible from your own argument from incredulity. Further, multiple links are necessarily involved.

    But because I’m feeling charitable, and because I’ve done more looking, Here’s the largest of the relevant purchase orders

    this is a link to an FBO Solicitation for a period of 10/1/2012 to 9/30/2017 for up to (again very important) 750 million rounds.

    It’s an Indefinite Quantity Indefinite Delivery contract that only guarantees a minimum purchase of 1000 units a year. Its purpose is not so much to actually buy ammo, but to allow DHS to lock in prices for a five year period.

    Other contracts include a four year solicitation allowing up to 450 million rounds, another five year contract for 165 million rounds of .223 ammo, a 200 million fixed supplier contract with winchester for 200 million over five years, and several other orders for several hundred thousand each of single specific types of ammo (.308 ammo, .308 blanks and .40cal 180 grain hollowpoints).

    Again, this is not ammo they’ve actually purchased, but long term agreements to lock in prices for ammo, that guarantee only minimum purchases and that if DHS buys ammo, they’ll buy from the bidder.

  23. chilidog99 says

    Ben P. you stated:

    Short version, there’s an “indefinite quantity, indefinite delivery” solicitation to supply ammo to DHS for a period from Jan. 1, 2010 to Dec. 31, 2015 for a “minimum of $1000, and up to a maximum of $1.9 billion a year for a total of $9.5 billion.

    That is a very specific number and date. I want to see real support for that claim.

    First response: fuck you, do your own reasearch. I’m not responsible from your own argument from incredulity.

    First off, the f-bomb was not warranted,

    Second, “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.”

    Then you stated:

    Further, multiple links are necessarily involved.

    Then make multiple posts.

    But I warn you, I will not accept any unsupported claims originating on a survivalist blog.

  24. chilidog99 says

    Ben p. posted:

    this is a link to an FBO Solicitation for a period of 10/1/2012 to 9/30/2017 for up to (again very important) 750 million rounds.

    (my bold) Did you actually read link? Did you bother to add up the line items?

    It is for a total of about 63 million rounds over five years, not 750 million.

    I will cut you some slack, however, as there is a typo in that bid solicitation that you linked to. It states:

    The minimum guarantee for this award is 1,000 rounds per year, the maximum guarantee is for 70, million rounds per year.”

    If you go to the actual federal source page for that bid request,

    https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&tab=core&id=7f6a48adb7fe40b7489fbbf5b86eaa0e&_cview=0

    you will see an amassment issued on August 15 that states:

    “The maximum limit for the resultant award will be 70, million rounds for the life of the five year contract.”

    In any case, it is no where near 750 million rounds, so unless you can come up with some other contracts that no one has ever heard of, you still have a long way to go to reach 1.6 billion.

    Oh, and by the way, based on the federal web page for that bid request, the contract has yet to be awarded.

  25. chilidog99 says

    Damned autocorrect

    Should read:

    “you will see an amendment issued on August 15 that states”

  26. chilidog99 says

    Well Ben, I know you read my posts, so I guess that by not responding, you are admitting I am correct.

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