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Barber and the Religious Freedom Canard

Matt Barber of Liberty Counsel is really flogging this meme that you can’t have gay marriage and religious liberty at the same time. In his latest Worldnutdaily column, he seizes on the case of a florist who is expected to actually serve the public.

“Gay pride” necessitates anti-Christian hate. It must. “Gay marriage” and other “sexual orientation”-based laws do violence to freedom and truth. They are the hammer with which the postmodern left intends to bludgeon bloody religious liberty and the Judeo-Christian sexual ethic.

According to the unequivocal moral precepts of the Judeo-Christian tradition – explicit throughout both the Old and New Testaments – homosexual behavior is sin. Sin is evil. Homosexual behavior is the central, defining characteristic of so-called “gay marriage.” Therefore, “gay marriage” is evil. Christians are obligated to avoid sin – to “do no evil.”

Which is why you should totally not get into a gay marriage. No one is forcing you to do so.

Neither is Ms. Barronelle Stutzman. Ms. Stutzman is the Christian owner-operator of Arlene’s Flowers in Richland, Wash. She is, by all accounts, a lovely, sweet, elderly woman who both employs and regularly serves open practitioners of the homosexual lifestyle. Sadly, she has become the latest victim in a fast-growing string of secularist attacks against Christians and other morally minded people. If “same-sex marriage” becomes the law of the land, I can assure you that we will soon see a virtual explosion in the same kind of anti-Christian persecution Ms. Stutzman now suffers.

And how is this any different than if Stutzman had refused to provide flowers for a Muslim wedding? Or an interfaith wedding? Or an interracial wedding? She can’t discriminate on the basis of religion or race either, no matter how much her religious beliefs demand it. So why isn’t that “anti-Christian persecution”? Oh right, it only applies to gay people. They demand the right to discriminate against gay people and refusal to allow them is “anti-Christian persecution.”

And you’re gonna love this:

This rudimentary equation is built upon the natural laws of moral physics. Christianity is magnetically charged truth. Homosexual behavior is a magnetically charged lie – a spiritual and biological falsehood. Christianity and homosexual sin are as north to south. Polar opposites cannot occupy the same position in time and space. They repel one another.

Magnetically charged truth. I don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there.

Comments

  1. nikeeve says

    But… but magnetic north and south are attracted to each other, not repelled! Either someone doesn’t understand basic physics, or we have a doozy of a Freudian slip here.

    Possibly both.

    At any rate, the stupid burns! >_o

  2. Johnny Vector says

    He thinks North and South magnetic poles repel one another.

    Fuckin’ Christian brains, how do they work?

  3. Phillip IV says

    the natural laws of moral physics

    Brilliant! You start by framing your moral concern in a – incredibly poor – physics analogy, and then use that to claim that your moral judgement holds the rank of a law of nature. Is there any medal for incredible chuzpah we could pin to that argument?

  4. Nadai says

    Will Truth stick to a refrigerator? I could use it to hold up my 20% off Bed Bath & Beyond coupon.

  5. Doug Little says

    Which is why you should totally not get into a gay marriage. No one is forcing you to do so.

    Or because you know gay people to be good people so you really should start questioning your religion, hmmm the data suggests that my religion is a load of crap, I’ll ignore the elephant in the room and blame the gays instead.

  6. Glen Hall says

    But… but magnetic north and south are attracted to each other, not repelled! Either someone doesn’t understand basic physics, or we have a doozy of a Freudian slip here”

    Well, he certainly couldn’t get away with saying “Christianity and homosexual sin repel each other because they are identical”, could he? As usual, I’m not sure if he’s actually this stupid or if he just counts on his audience to be so.

  7. Doug Little says

    Nadai @4,

    Nah it’s one of those crappy magnets that decide to randomly slide off if you place anything between it and the refrigerator.

  8. dugglebogey says

    I have Christian friends that oppose gay marriage and others that don’t give a damn about it.

    The only difference I can tell is those that oppose it think gay sex is “icky.”

  9. says

    Gay marriage absolutely infringes on Christians’ rights to be complete fucking douchecookies to other people — something that is totally required for proper observance of their religion.

    Think of the poor Christians!

    (That’s what they’re arguing here — that their religion requires them to be utter assholes.)

  10. JustaTech says

    Question: If one were to be an anti-gay florist and did not want to provide flowers for a gay wedding, could one not simply say “sorry, I’m booked” even if it was a lie? Doesn’t it only become a violation when you tell someone “I won’t serve you because you belong to X group”?

    I mean, I guess if you said you were booked and then it became apparent that you were not, you could concieveably get in trouble.

    Which is not to say that I don’t think this florist is in the wrong here. Clearly they are. I just want to know if the law hinges on a service provider declaring *why* they will not serve a particular client.

  11. cptdoom says

    Polar opposites cannot occupy the same position in time and space. They repel one another.

    Yet somehow this good “Christian” woman was fine with, and was able to, serve the gentlemen in question when the flowers weren’t for their wedding. Barber even says that she magnanimously allowed the evil gayz into her store for other purpose, where was the repellant then?

    On the flip side, what happens when a “Christian” goes into a business owned by one of those “open practitioners of the homosexual lifestyle”? Does the repellant work then as well and the “Christian” money goes back into their wallets?

  12. coffeehound says

    @2,

    He thinks North and South magnetic poles repel one another.

    Fuckin’ Christian brains, how do they work?

    Don’t get them started, the next reply would be,’ like repels like, therefore teh gay is unnatural…..all penises are supposed to have positive poles and such….’ no pun intended.

  13. says

    JustaTech @ 11

    I just want to know if the law hinges on a service provider declaring *why* they will not serve a particular client.

    Well, ‘no.’ with a caveat. The person does not have to “declare” his/her reason for refusing service … the intent can be gleaned from circumstantial evidence. A typical situation might be a wedding hall that is booked with no problem until later when the owner finds out that that it will be a gay wedding and s/he cancels with no explanation or a demonstrably bogus one. On the other hand, it can be difficult to prove that it was discrimination and the person stating that the reason is s/he disapproves of gay weddings is very helpful in processing a discrimination claim.

  14. scienceavenger says

    …open practitioners of the homosexual lifestyle…

    I love that phrase. He makes it sound like they are getting all icky in the streets.

    Homosexual behavior is the central, defining characteristic of so-called “gay marriage.”

    It is? So two homosexuals cannot be married and be celebate? Is Barber going to make octogenarian married gays get divorced? Does he think about ANYTHING he writes?

  15. says

    Wow! These people know less about magnetism than my two-year-old grandniece. Her parents put magnetic safety locks on their kitchen cabinets. Katharine watched them open the cabinets, She observed how the opening mechanism stuck to the door. She thought about it for two days and on the third day she woke up, walked over to the refrigerator, pulled off a magnet, and then used it to open the cabinet doors.

  16. steve oberski says

    JustaTech

    could one not simply say “sorry, I’m booked” even if it was a lie

    No, doesn’t work that way.

    Lovely, sweet, elderly* christian women can can deny homosexuals basic human rights but they would never, ever tell a lie.

    * What if she had been ugly, acerbic and young, would that make a difference ?

  17. marcus says

    This just in: “Cheers, applause as New Zealand legalizes same-sex marriage!”
    A heartfelt congratulations to all you Kiwis out there!

  18. Quantum Mechanic says

    Christianity and homosexual sin are as north to south. Polar opposites cannot occupy the same position in time and space. They repel one another.

    I suspect this is even funnier than most of you realize, from a standpoint of physics. Since there is no such thing as a magnetic monopole (alright, fine, I’ll hedge my bets and say known, but if there is, Gauss’s law for magnetism would require modifications), magnetic dipoles are the base “charge” of magnetism. You can think of trying to separate the “north” pole of a magnetic dipole from the “south” pole as trying to separate the front-end of a line from the back end. Cut the line in the middle, and you are left with two new lines; unfortunately, both new lines have a front-end and a back-end, and this will be the case no matter how short you cut your line. Likewise, if you break a bar magnet in half (try it!), both halves will have both a north pole and a south pole.

    So, in short, Mattie-boy is saying that the other side of Christianity is homosexuality, that Christianity cannot exist without it. Break a church into its smallest pieces, and they’ll still find it… and there’s nothing they can do to get away from it. Holy failed metaphors, Batman!

  19. dan4 says

    @17: “So homosexuals cannot be married and be celebate?”

    This fits in with biblical notion of calling all homosexuals, which, by definition, includes virginal ones, “sodomites” (ie, the strange and factually incorrect notion that “homosexual” and “virgin” are automatically mutually exclusive things).

  20. dingojack says

    But marcus it’s a slippery slope! In future Kiwis will be allowed to marry their sheep !1! eleventy !1!
    ;D Dingo
    ———–
    Seriously, congrats NZ for having the balls to go where pols here fear to tread. :(

  21. spamamander, internet amphibian says

    *wipes a tear*

    I’m so glad that my hometown area of the Tri-Cities is in the news.

    Not.

  22. Crip Dyke, Right Reverend Feminist FuckToy of Death & Her Handmaiden says

    So two homosexuals cannot be married and be celebate?

    Yeah, um, no. It is not possible for two any two people to be married and celibate at the same time.

    However, they can be married and chaste at the same time.

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