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Louisiana Legislator Wants Lord’s Prayer Recited in Schools

Louisiana State. Rep. Katrina Jackson — a Democrat, for crying out loud — has proposed legislation to have students recite the Lord’s Prayer every morning in that state’s public schools. It’s “voluntary,” for anyone who wants to make themselves a pariah and a target for abuse. HB 660:

A. The State Board of Elementary and Secondary Education, or “state board”, shall establish a policy and develop procedures to allow public school students to participate in the recitation of the Lord’s Prayer and the “Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag” at the commencement of each school day. Such policy and procedures shall include but not be limited to provisions for the following:

(1) Student participation in the recitation of the prayer and pledge shall be voluntary.

(2) Students shall be reminded that the Lord’s Prayer is the prayer that the pilgrim fathers recited when they came to America in search for freedom.

(3) Students shall be informed that these exercises are not meant to influence an individual’s personal religious beliefs in any manner.

(4) The recitations shall be conducted so that students learn of America’s great freedoms, including the freedom of religion symbolized by the recitation of the Lord’s Prayer.

B. The state board shall develop a program of instruction for public schools with regard to the pilgrim fathers.

Freedom is “symbolized by the recitation of the Lord’s Prayer”? In what universe, exactly? The Pilgrims did not come here in search of religious freedom, they came here to be free from the religious impositions they faced in England and to create their own society where they could impose their religion on others. There was no freedom of religion in the Plymouth or Massachusetts colonies that they founded. The Pilgrims did not found this country, they founded colonies that were theocratic in nature.

The bad news is that the courts have and will continue, for the foreseeable future, to uphold the saying of the Pledge of Allegiance (which should be eliminated entirely, not just have “under God” be taken out). The good news is that they would strike down the Lord’s Prayer portion of this very quickly.

Comments

  1. bcmystery says

    My ancestors didn’t defeat Hitler at the Battle of Bunker Hill just so some damned hippies could take a crap on the flag. The Pledge of Allegiance is in the Bible, right after the part where Jesus blesses the AR-15 and before the part where he says kids who don’t say the Lord’s Prayer in home room will go straight to hell! Why do you hate America!!11

  2. Doug Little says

    Students shall be informed that these exercises are not meant to influence an individual’s personal religious beliefs in any manner

    Oh really? What’s the point then?

    The recitations shall be conducted so that students learn of America’s great freedoms, including the freedom of religion symbolized by the recitation of the Lord’s Prayer.

    Holy contradiction Batman!

  3. bbgunn says

    You don’t think she means this lord’s prayer, do you?

    Lift us up, blessed Zeus
    To the heights of heaven
    Where all things are visible
    Where all things are clear

    Lift us up, blessed Zeus
    From our pain and sorrow
    Where we so often wallow
    Where we too often hide

    Lift us up, blessed Zeus
    To the starry firmament
    Where dark mysteries live
    Where eternity stretches her wings

    Lift us up, blessed Zeus
    From the depths of despair
    Where we yearn to give up
    Where we want to give in

    Lift us up, blessed Zeus
    To the bright blue sky
    Where clouds dance and change form
    Where the pretty birds fly

    Lift us up, blessed Zeus
    From under the heel of oppression
    Where one man humbles another
    Where freedom is but a dream

    Lift us up, blessed Zeus
    To the greatness that is joy
    Where there is no pain
    Where all but the purity of the soul is forgotten.

    Nope. Didn’t think so.

  4. tbp1 says

    When I was in high school, I omitted the “under God” part of the Pledge daily. I truly believe that every single one of the 2,400-member student body, plus all of the faculty, knew about this. Surprisingly I got little hassle for it (some, but actually not a lot), but I was keenly aware of everybody’s awareness, so to speak.

    I don’t want to exaggerate and say it took much of anything in the way of actual courage, but it did require a willingness to be singled out for attention in a not-always-good way. (I was also routinely in minor trouble for the length of my hair, and a couple of letters to the editor of the school and town newspapers did not endear me to the administration. I was heavily and visibly involved in the music and drama programs, so I wasn’t exactly attention-averse to start with.) I was fortunate in that my parents, while not exactly always “getting” me, were pretty damn supportive.

    In some places, though, it would require some actual physical courage to buck the trend, and could lead to serious social ostracism, or even violence. Of course, that’s a feature, not a bug, for the jerks proposing this kind of legislation.

  5. dickspringer says

    I object to referring to the so-called “Pledge of Allegiance” as a pledge of allegiance. It is an official statement of untruths. “Freedom and justice for all?” Really?

  6. says

    The fact that it has the word “Lord” in the title puts the lie to the whole freedom thing.

    I remember having to say the pledge of allegiance in school. I still have fond memories of teachers getting mad at me for saying “amen” at the end.

  7. Trebuchet says

    Ah, but WHICH Lord’s Prayer? Catholic, or Protestant, which adds the “kingdom, power, glory” part? And WHICH protestant version, trespassers or debtors?

    And how unfortunate is it to be named “Katrina” in Louisiana?

  8. raven says

    Students shall be informed that these exercises are not meant to influence an individual’s personal religious beliefs in any manner

    Oh really? What’s the point then?

    Oh gee.

    You mean you really don’t know?

    Haven’t you ever watched Harry Potter movies?

    Magic.

    The lords prayer is a magic spell. Reciting rote words over and over is supposed to invoke a powerful supernatural spirit do do what you want. Or at least appease it so it doesn’t destroy the earth and you with it.

  9. Scr... Archivist says

    I agree with what Gregory in Seattle said @3.

    And here’s another reason this is a bad idea. If the website of Plimoth Plantation is correct, compelling students to say the Lord’s Prayer to honor the Puritan Separatists would be historically inaccurate.

    Puritans rejected Christmas, Easter and the various Saint’s Days because they had no scriptural justification, and in their worship services, they rejected hymns, the recitations of the Lord’s Prayer and creeds for the same reason.

    The Separatists believed that the worship of God must progress from the individual directly to God, and that “set” forms, like the Church of England’s Book of Common Prayer, interfered with that progression by directing one’s thoughts down to the book and inward to one’s self.

    http://www.plimoth.org/what-see-do/17th-century-english-village/faith-pilgrims

    And why is a Baptist promoting Congregationalists? Aren’t they adversaries?

  10. kantalope says

    How can children learn to appreciate their freedom of religion if they are not forced to pray?

  11. kantalope says

    Raven and Montanto have inspired me. From now on at the end of the pledge I shall append a very loud: ‘Expecto Patronum’ for even greater protection.

  12. says

    The recitations shall be conducted so that students learn of America’s great freedoms, including the freedom of religion

    They had to destroy it to save teach it.

  13. jnorris says

    She knows this will never become law. Its an electoral stunt for the voters back home. My guess is she anticipates a Tea Party or strong Republican (Stupid) Party challenger in 2014.
    *
    I would love to find a few retiring legislators to amend the bill to require Muslim, Buddhist, and other very non-Christian prayers; sing God Bless America, the Louisiana state song, pray for the governor, pray for the president’s death, and other very Christian stuff.

  14. davefitz says

    I’m sure they don’t expect this to pass, but for the love of God (snicker snicker), at LEAST try to reduce the stupid. I literally face-palmed at this:

    (3) Students shall be informed that these exercises are not meant to influence an individual’s personal religious beliefs in any manner.

    No? Not meant to influence? This is the equivalent of getting caught with another woman and saying, “Baby, this isn’t what it looks like.” Or for a social conservative, another man.

  15. scienceavenger says

    Since we are getting all pilgrimy here, perhaps instead of the Pledge they should recite the first few bars of the Mayflower Compact:

    “In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.
    Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic.”

    And religious freedom for all!

  16. TxSkeptic says

    Doesn’t Bobby “let’s not be the party of stoopid” Jindal need to have a chat with Katrina?

  17. shadowwalkyr says

    (5) Anyone found to have been beaten to a bloody pulp because they opted out of saying the prayer, whether because of religious or irreligious conviction, a belief in actual freedom, or any other reason, shall be mocked but otherwise ignored by the school administration and state government.

    In other news, Article I of the U.S. Constitution forbids granting titles of nobility (twice), so we don’t have any lords to determine which prayers they’ll be saying, so . . . what is this joker talking about?

    Wait, the “lord” in question is God? That’s stupid; whom would God pray to?

  18. busterggi says

    “Hail, HYDRA! Immortal HYDRA! We shall never be destroyed! Cut off a limb, and two more shall take its place! We serve none but the Master—as the world shall soon serve us! Hail HYDRA!”

  19. timberwoof says

    The Loud Prayer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE_8WK3tBuE

    I’d be so tempted to do teach in the style of the Puritans. I’d appoint the class bully to carry a stick with which to whack anyone he suspected of falling asleep. “To teach you the importance of religious freedom, we’re all going to recite this government-mandated prayer. Since this is supposedly voluntary, anyone who does not wish to participate can stand here at my desk to be publicly humiliated in front of everybody else. And remember, kids: this is a kindness.” My defense would be that I was following the letter and the spirit of the law and the legislator’s intent. So there.

  20. Pieter B, FCD says

    @Trebuchet, #9

    Ah, but WHICH Lord’s Prayer? Catholic, or Protestant, which adds the “kingdom, power, glory” part? And WHICH protestant version, trespassers or debtors?

    This was a problem when we began sixth-grade class meetings with the LP 50+ years ago. Not hilarity, but considerable peer pressure ensued; Catholics were a heavy majority, and eventually the Protestants whispered the kingdom, power glory stuff under their breath or gave up entirely.

  21. iangould says

    “(3) Students shall be informed that these exercises are not meant to influence an individual’s personal religious beliefs in any manner.”

    Well in that let’s mix it up a bit:

    Monday: Lord’s Prayer
    Tuesday: Shahada
    Wednesday: The Lotus sutra
    Thursday: The opening stanza of the Analects of Kung Fu Tzu
    Friday: Selected readings from Jonathan Livingstone Seagull

  22. eamick says

    Friday: Selected readings from Jonathan Livingstone Seagull

    How is violating the Eighth Amendment an improvement?

  23. dingojack says

    Puritans? Mere latecomers! England founded commercial colonies in the Carolinas and Georgia well before the Puritans even considered coming. Perhaps the students should be voluntarily required to chaw a plug of tobacco and enslave a black student (one will be provided for them, if one is not available) to commemorate those freedom-loving patriots too!
    Dingo
    ——-
    PS one of the first places in America with a kind of freedom of conscience was the former Dutch colony of New Amsterdam. (the English conquered it during the First Anglo-Dutch War (and briefly lost it during the Third Anglo-Dutch War) but thanks to Peter Stuyvesant, freedom was part of the price).
    So perhaps ….
    “Onze Vader, die in de hemel
    uw naam geheiligd worden …..”

  24. Marie the Bookwyrm says

    TxSkeptic @19–The legislator proposing this is a Democrat. So Jindal doesn’t have to care if she’s stupid. (Unless, of course, he cares about students. Oh, what am I saying?)

  25. caseloweraz says

    What did you learn in school today, dear little boy of mine?
    What did you learn in school today, dear little boy of mine?

    I learned about our great freedom
    Reciting the “Thy kingdom come”
    This voluntary prayer may be
    Omitted with a third degree
    And that’s what I learned in school today.
    That’s what I learned in school.

  26. says

    @14:

    Hang on, Kantalope!

    It’s all well and good to say “Expecto Patronum” as long as you’re surrounded by the GODLESS witchcraftyish demoncrats, but down there to Loozianna, they may think it’s a french term, then you’d better look out.

    Otoh, if they read this:

    1. Expecto Patronum 1. Famous spell from the movie “Harry Potter & The Prisoner of Azakaban” which fends off Dementors with a white shield of positive energy when …
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Expecto%20Patronum

    David Duke and company (those other “wizards”) will be all, like, “Hell, YES!”. “White shield”, just sayin’.

  27. thumper1990 says

    But… but look at number (3)! Clearly that makes everything OK!

    Why do you hate Jesus? Fucking Atheists.

    [Obligatory tag for the sarcasm-impaired]

  28. cry4turtles says

    Huh! Who would’ve thought that a religious declaration would require a religious disclaimer?

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