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SBC Leader Links North Korea, Gay Rights

Fred Luter, the president of the Southern Baptist Convention, went on TruNews with Rick Wiles and actually tried to out-wingnut Wiles, which is a tall order. He somehow managed to link same-sex marriage, gays in the Boy Scouts and Kim Jong-Un together. And it has something unspecified to do with prophecy.

Wiles: You know at precisely the same time the Supreme Court is hearing these arguments on same-sex marriage in Asia a crazy man in possession of nuclear weapons, Kim Jong-un, is openly saying: I have ordered our military to position our rockets on US targets in Hawaii, Japan, Guam and the mainland of the United States. He has gone into a full state of war this week. I don’t know, Pastor Luter, I don’t know if anybody is — I know they’re not — they’re just not putting this together. You got this happening over here and you got this happening over here: could the two be connected? Could our slide into immorality be what is unleashing this mad man over here in Asia to punish us?

Luter: It could be a possibility, I’m not that strong in prophecy but I would not be surprised that there’s not a connection there simply because of the fact we’ve seen it happen in scripture before. I would not be surprised that at the time when we are debating same-sex marriage, at a time when we are debating whether or not we should have gays leading the Boy Scout movement, I don’t think it’s just a coincidence that we have a mad man in Asia who is saying some of the things that he’s saying.

If you look hard enough and reason badly enough, I bet you can make the Bible predict the Chick-fil-A backlash and Justin Bieber. But Luter was just getting warmed up:

I have to admit I’m at a loss to understand the complacency and apathy of tens of millions of American Christians who are standing by, twiddling their thumbs while their nation is transformed into a socialist, homosexual, anti-God, anti-biblical morality cesspool. I fear that the moral decay has accelerated and worsened to such a degree that it is now impossible to halt the decline without a major catastrophe crippling the nation…

The Bible is full of examples to what happens to a nation that goes into idolatry and witchcraft and sexual sin, it always ends in disaster, always. So why aren’t we telling the American people that if you allow the Supreme Court to rule that homosexuals can marry, you have just committed national suicide. Why isn’t anybody standing up?

And this isn’t some crank with no influence. This is the head of the largest Protestant denomination in the country.

Comments

  1. blf says

    I didn’t really follow that word salad, but I think he’s saying Kim Teh Insignificant was a Gay Scoutmaster. But that doesn’t make sense, since he didn’t mention the Siberian meteor hit.

  2. flybywire says

    I’m really glad these religious leaders are making all of these predictions. It’ll be good to show in the future just how wrong they all are. Maybe it’ll speed up Religions loss of influence on people.

    Of course, people can have short memories so we’ll see.

  3. roggg says

    What’s really interesting about this to me is that if you take it at face value, they’re really saying that Kim Jong-Un is an agent of god…punishing the wicked on his behalf. Who’d a thunk it? A narcissistic saber-rattling dictator is the next christian hero.

  4. Mr Ed says

    The Bible is full of examples to what happens to a nation that goes into idolatry and witchcraft and sexual sin, it always ends in disaster, always.

    Atheists don’t worship idols, don’t practice witchcraft and while we have sexual mores we don’t have sexual sin. The only way to save the country is to give up god.

  5. azportsider says

    What they’re really saying is, “Be afraid. Be very afraid. And send us more money. We’ll make it all better.”

  6. RickR says

    I don’t know, Pastor Luter, I don’t know if anybody is — I know they’re not — they’re just not putting this together.

    LOL

  7. anubisprime says

    Freudian slip…

    Luter: It could be a possibility, I’m not that strong in prophecy but I would not be surprised that there’s not a connection there simply because of the fact we’ve seen it happen in scripture before.

    Seems there is one not to many to make the sentence agree with the premise.

    Covering ass with linguistic smoke and mirrors or just illiterate in grammar…you decide!

  8. says

    I don’t know about you, but if I thought that God gave a little North Korean kook missiles that don’t work properly and can’t reach North America and also nuclear warheads that don’t go off properly and that don’t fit in those missiles, I’d be looking for the punchline.

  9. blf says

    Hey, what about Hitler?

    His ballistic missiles worked. Fortunately, his A-Bomb programme didn’t. Therefore, Teh Great Sky Faeries did it! Q.E.D.

  10. Phillip IV says

    If you look hard enough and reason badly enough, I bet you can make the Bible predict the Chick-fil-A backlash and Justin Bieber.

    I don’t think you have to try very hard to shoehorn Justin Bieber into the Bible. I’d start looking in Revelation, I think I remember a few things in there that might be a good fit.

    But then, you can’t really say that Luter and Wiles are trying really hard…it’s always the same basic pattern – link whatever it is you’re against with a random, recent bit of bad news and garnish with a very broad and vague reference to Biblical prophecy. Done! Your audience’s confirmation bias will do the rest for you.

  11. raven says

    This is the old, god is protecting the nation with new covenant, the new Isael known as the USA. It is just something the fundies made up, the USA not being mentioned in the bible.

    Which is a good thing.

    God’s covenant and protection of the old Jews and Israel didn’t do them any good.

    They were overrun by the Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, and Romans. The Romans kicked them out of Israel and they ended up stateless and persecuted for 2,000 years. The Germans practiced industrial mass murder on them and killed almost half of those left.

    Being protected by the xian god has proven to be a long running nightmarish disaster.

  12. Doug Little says

    You got this happening over here and you got this happening over here: could the two be connected? Could our slide into immorality be what is unleashing this mad man over here in Asia to punish us?

    No! There that wasn’t too hard now was it.

  13. slc1 says

    Re blf @ #10

    Actually, the V2 was not even remotely accurate enough to reliable attack military targets. Further, his nuclear weapon’s program wasn’t very robust as Heisenberg’s calculation that 100 kilograms of U235 would be required to maintain a chain reaction was wildly out of whack, and caused the placing of it on the back burner (it would have taken 30 years to extract that much U235 from uranium ore). When several German scientists were assembled after the German surrender and taken to a remote house in Scotland and later informed about the successful American test at Alamogordo, they didn’t believe it at first as they still under the impression that 100 kilograms of U235 would be required.

  14. blf says

    The Germans practiced industrial mass murder on them …

    Quibble: I’d amend that to something like “The nazi occupiers of Germany, France, Poland, and other countries in Europe …”.

  15. Doug Little says

    I fear that the moral decay has accelerated and worsened to such a degree that it is now impossible to halt the decline without a major catastrophe crippling the nation…

    There must have been a lot of morals as they have been in decay for quite some time now. Maybe he is talking about climate change that would make more sense.

  16. slc1 says

    Re Doug Little @ 316

    It is highly doubtful that Luter and Wiles accept the science of climate change, any more then the blog’s resident denier, Sir Lancelot, does.

  17. blf says

    slc1, Yes, I am well aware the V2 was not accurate. I never said it was. I said worked. Different thing. Admittedly, I don’t know what percentage of the V2′s failed to launch or broke-up in midair, so I don’t know how reliable they were. And, as I (now) recall, slave labourers were used to assemble the things, and they made efforts to sabotage the missiles by, e.g., urinating on the joints so they would corrode.

    And I am well aware of the miscalculation about the amount of U235 needed. That one reason I said Hitler’s A-Bomb programme didn’t work.

    Anyways, thanks for emphasizing the details.

  18. Scr... Archivist says

    Modusoperandi @9,

    So when the Bomb does fall on America, you just know it had to be a divine miracle! Rimshot!

    Raven @12,

    I’m sure the likes of Luter and Wiles would easily find a way to make Jews’ experience an example of their god’s vindictiveness, and a warning not to cross him. (So to speak.)

  19. Doug Little says

    slc1 @14,

    Also Walther Bothe’s calculation of the neutron absorption cross section of graphite (which was incorrect) led to the program choosing heavy water as a moderator which would have made deployment of a functioning bomb nigh on impossible.

  20. Doug Little says

    slc1 @17,

    Sorry should have added the /tongue firmly in cheek tag. Of course they would deny climate change as science is evil.

  21. says

    To be fair, if Nazi Germany had succesfully developed atomic bombs and were able to fit atomic warheads to their V-2 rockets, it wouldn’t matter too much how accurate they were.

    On the topic of inane babbling by wingnuts: even if North Korea wants to start something, at best any nuclear attack they could muster (which could be significant if it struck Seoul or Tokyo) would be revenge from the grave.

  22. slc1 says

    Re composer99 @ #22

    it would have require3d a huge increase in rocketry for a V2 to deliver a nuclear bomb. The V2 had a 1 ton warhead. It is my information that the bombs that did for Hiroshima and Nagasaki weighed some 10,000 lbs. In addition, I don’t think that any German bomber had the capacity to deliver a 10,000 lb warhead so they would have been reduced to placing it on a ship and sailing it into an enemy harbor.

  23. martinc says

    One thing I have always wondered about Hitler’s A-bomb program is how it might have gone if he hadn’t sent a bunch of seeing-the-writing-on-the-wall Jews packing. Lise Meitner, Otto Frisch, Edward Teller, Leo Szilard … and that Einstein chappie.

  24. whheydt says

    The V-2 was conceived as a sort of long range artillery. It was accurate enough to hit a large city, such as the approximately 1000 that were fired at London…which mostly missed because the British were controlling the German intelligence assets in the UK and had them mis-report the landing sites.

    About 1350 hit Amsterdam.

    The V-2 was accurate enough that, had it had a nuclear warhead, it could have been used to do a lot of damage, but using a jet propelled Arado AR-234 “Blitzbomber” would probably have been more effective. (The allies actually quit attempting to to intercept AR-234 photorecon flights. They were very hard to catch. But then, the Germans gave up on trying to take down British deHaviland Mosquito photrecon flights that flew over Germany above 40,000 feet.)

  25. velociraptor says

    @25

    I believe you are speaking of Antwerp, in Belgium, which was being used by the Allies as a deep-water port. I was then (and still is) one of the busiest ports in Europe. Amsterdamn remained occupied until May, 1945.

  26. Phillip IV says

    slc1 @ 23:

    I don’t think that any German bomber had the capacity to deliver a 10,000 lb warhead

    Well, as long as we’re getting overly detailed regarding a hypothetical scenario, the Heinkel He 177 could carry some 13,000 lbs of bombs about 1,000 miles. About 1,100 of them were built, it was the only mass-produced heavy bomber for the Luftwaffe.

    There were a lot of prototypes and one-offs with the necessary carrying capacity, as well.

    The Nazis could also have modified one of their Mistel composite aircraft for the task, or used one of the handful of captured Allied bombers which KG 200 operated on special missions, allegedly sometimes with Allied markings.

    The take-away for the North Korea situation, I’d say, is that if a country has a few nuclear warheads and is suicidal enough to want to really use them (not likely the case with North Korea right now), there is always a chance to succeed with some crazy desperation shot.

  27. cry4turtles says

    Hmn…so gawd will utilize the N. Korean dick-tater to exact his will, but gawd can’t even find one single second to talk to ME! Fucking pricks, the both of them.

  28. leonardschneider says

    Didn’t we hear this same tune being played after the 9/11 attack? Pat Robertson will sue Luter for theft of intellectual property.

  29. cheesynougats says

    Actually, I remember something in the Apocalypse of Peter:

    “And ye, there shall be a lesbian/Who shall dress and pretend as a 15-year old boy”

  30. caseloweraz says

    Luter: “It could be a possibility, I’m not that strong in prophecy but I would not be surprised that there’s not a connection there…”

    I, too, would not be surprised that there’s not a connection.

    “You got this happening over here and you got this happening over here…”

    “This happens over here, and this happens over here. You can’t explain that!”

    You know, there might be a good market in syntax-checking software for these people.

  31. PatrickG says

    Y’know, it might be the 8 hour layover spent in a hotel bar speaking…. but for once I’m reading Dispatches as a comedy site.

    Ordinarily this stuff scares the living shit out of me (though I admit it’s simultaneously amusing). Right now, this is Comedy Central. I might get kicked out before its time to stumble back to security.

  32. gratch says

    I’ve always thought the funniest part about these dire predictions they like to make is how god’s wrath is so tame nowadays. In their favorite book he killed and maimed directly and unambiguously. He smote and plagued from dusk to dawn. Now though he works anonymously through third parties or just removes his protection. He’s like the kid we all knew in school who could run a minute mile and do a thousand pushups. But not right now. He totally did it last week though. And he has a really hot girlfriend who lives two towns over. But you wouldn’t know her.

  33. birgerjohansson says

    He 177 had notoriously unreliable engines, but there were derivatives with four Junkers Jumo or BMW engines.
    Also, Junkers 290 (only produced in trivial numbers) could combine a big payload and long range.

    But the loss of air superiority and the increased efficiency of british night-fighters meant He 177 were mostly restricted to coastal nuisance raids at night by 1944.

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