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Mar 30 2013

Erickson: Help, Help, We’re Gonna Be Repressed!

Erick Erickson, who is genuinely one of the biggest assholes on the planet, climbs up on his rooftop and screams for the whole world to hear, “Help, help, we’re being going to be repressed if gay people are allowed to get married!” Pastors thrown in jail, churches disbanded, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

As long as there are still Christians who actually follow Christ and uphold his word, a vast amount of people around the world — never mind Islam — will never ever see gay marriage as anything other than a legal encroachment of God’s intent.

Okay. You just go right ahead and keep thinking that. No one else will care even the tiniest little bit, I promise you.

So those Christians must be silenced…

Any Christian who refuses to recognize that man wants to upend God’s order will have to be driven from the national conversation. They will be labeled bigots and ultimately criminals.

Already we have seen florists, bakers, and photographers suffer because they have refused to go along with the cultural shift toward gay marriage. There will be more…

Once the world decides that real marriage is something other than natural or Godly, those who would point it out must be silenced and, if not, punished. The state must be used to do this…

Within a year or two we will see Christian schools attacked for refusing to admit students whose parents are gay. We will see churches suffer the loss of their tax exempt status for refusing to hold gay weddings. We will see private businesses shut down because they refuse to treat as legitimate that which perverts God’s own established plan. In some places this is already happening.

Christians should, starting yesterday, work on a new front. While we should not stop the fight to preserve marriage, and we may be willing to compromise on civil unions, we must start fighting now for protections for religious objectors to gay marriage.

Yeah. You mean like those provisions that already exist in every single law in the nation allowing same-sex marriage? That isn’t even necessary, but every single law that has been passed so far allowing gay people to get married has included explicit provisions saying that no church can ever be forced to perform a same-sex wedding. It isn’t necessary because we already have the Religious Freedom Restoration Act at the federal level and in most states, and even without that the courts have always ruled that churches are exempt from anti-discrimination laws because of the ministerial exception. For crying out loud, you’ve got three full layers of protection against the very thing you say is going to happen.

When it comes to businesses refusing to serve customers on the basis of sexual orientation, that will depend on what state they are in. Most states do not include sexual orientation in their anti-discrimination laws, nor does the federal government, so in most states they’ll be allowed to discriminate all they want. But here’s the important thing: there is no difference whatsoever between same-sex marriage and interracial marriage when it comes to religious freedom.

In every single state, no business that is a public accommodation — if their business is open to the public — can legally refuse to provide their goods or services to an interracial couple getting married no matter what their religion teaches on the subject. They also could not legally refuse service to a couple because they’re Muslim or — and this is kind of important — because they’re Christian, even if their religion demands it. And I bet Erickson is just fine with that and does not view that as horrible persecution of Christians. It’s only when it comes to gay people that he demands the right to discriminate. But if he really believed that, he would also be demanding that the protections for religion also be repealed. And he’s not. Because, once again, this is an irrational pretext, not a serious argument.

And by the way, Erick, after calling Justice Souter a “goat-fucking child molester” and recently saying that you’d like the new pope better if it were true that he handed people over to the Argentinian junta for execution, you might want to just shut the fuck up before posing as the voice of Christian virtue.

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  1. 1
    raven

    Eric Erickson, just another sociopathic xian.

    To be fair, not all sociopaths are xians. It’s mostly just the fundie xian leaders and wannabe leaders.

  2. 2
    tommykey

    And by the way, Erick, after calling Justice Souter a “goat-fucking child molester” and recently saying that you’d like the new pope better if it were true that he handed people over to the Argentinian junta for execution, you might want to just shut the fuck up before posing as the voice of Christian virtue.

    Yeah, it’s funny how these people tell us that only their religion can provide objective morality and yet that same objective morality can’t seem to stop them from being meanspirited assholes.

  3. 3
    cptdoom

    Within a year or two we will see Christian schools attacked for refusing to admit students whose parents are gay.

    Because we should always punish children for having the wrong parents, right? Of course, if the school in question is set up specifically to serve only one religion – like a seminary for future priests – they won’t be forced to admit anyone they don’t want to. But if they serve children with parents who are not “Christian” or who do not conform to the specific version of “Christian” beliefs espoused by the school, they will, in fact, have to let TEH GAYZ in as well.

    We will see churches suffer the loss of their tax exempt status for refusing to hold gay weddings.

    Just like all those Catholic churches lost their tax-exemptions for refusing to marry divorced people? Hell, the government can’t even force the Mormons to let non-Mormons attend the f*cking wedding ceremony.

    We will see private businesses shut down because they refuse to treat as legitimate that which perverts God’s own established plan. In some places this is already happening.

    No, you will see private businesses sued and fined for discrimination that, as Ed points out, you would scream loudest about were it directed at you and your fellow travelers. Can you imagine the outcry if a gay business owner refused to serve any “Christians”? – which I totally wish some gay business owner in Kentucky would do to protest the new law allowing for religious-based discrimination.

  4. 4
    John Pieret

    So those Christians must be silenced.

    Heh! The “moderator” (“wingnutor” would be a better term) tossed a commenter nymed “joec” within a few posts for taking a “libertarian” position that government should stay out of marriage.

    These guys are really concerned about free speech.

    What they are afraid of is that they will no longer be able to demonize and discriminate against others without being criticized for it. Oh, the horrors!

  5. 5
    John Pieret

    But if they serve children with parents who are not “Christian” or who do not conform to the specific version of “Christian” beliefs espoused by the school, they will, in fact, have to let TEH GAYZ in as well.

    Well, not quite. Private schools who take no government money can set any criteria they want. Once they take state of Federal funds (Red Staters would be against that anyway, right?), then they are subject to antidiscrimination laws.

  6. 6
    John Pieret

    For crying out loud, you’ve got three full layers of protection against the very thing you say is going to happen.

    Actually (depending on how you count) there are four layers. Government could not force churches to conduct gay marriages because that would constitute “excessive government entanglement” with religion under the Lemon test of the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment.

  7. 7
    Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

    Seems more like “Help, help, we’re looking forward to being repressed”.

  8. 8
    Phillip IV

    I lost what very little respect I had for Erickson when I read about his “born-again” moment on Redstate: as far as I recall, it came down to something like this: he was in college, nearly broke, but on a whim decided to donate his last 20 bucks to a church. When he got home, he found that his parents had wired him $200. Hallelujah, God must be real.

    There are so many things wrong with that story, you don’t even know where to begin. But it really shows how incredibly self-centered Evangelicals tend to be. He received money from his parents, who had worked for it, and re-interpreted into something his asshole god gave him as a deserved reward for his vague faith, everyone else be damned.

    And on the issue of same-sex marriage, we see exactly the same thing: it’s all about him, him, him. He never even gets the idea that gay people might want to get married because, I don’t know, perhaps because they like each other very much? No, they clearly only want to get married because they secretly crave his acknowledgement and acceptance. Because the only important thing about what other people are doing is what he thinks about it.

  9. 9
    Modusoperandi

    tommykey “Yeah, it’s funny how these people tell us that only their religion can provide objective morality and yet that same objective morality can’t seem to stop them from being meanspirited assholes.”
    Oh, come on! Haven’t you even read the Sermon on the Mount? “Blessed be the bullies…”
     
    cptdoom “Can you imagine the outcry if a gay business owner refused to serve any ‘Christians’?”
    Well, that’s different. It’s only okay when it effects other people. This, on the other hand, could effect me. “Liberty” is defined as “The unchained Id of the Popular Majority”. The Mob Rule Rule, if you will.

  10. 10
    abb3w

    @-1, Erick Erickson

    Within a year or two we will see Christian schools attacked for refusing to admit students whose parents are gay. We will see churches suffer the loss of their tax exempt status for refusing to hold gay weddings. We will see private businesses shut down because they refuse to treat as legitimate that which perverts God’s own established plan. In some places this is already happening.

    Christians still don’t seem to understand just how closely gay marriage parallels interracial marriage. So, except for the timing (which is more likely on the order of a decade, based on the gap between Loving v Virginia in 1967 and Bob Jones v US in 1983) he’s probably right about the first — Christian schools who discriminate based on the sexual orientation of parents may well end up getting sued, and certainly will end up being criticized. There probably will be a few businesses which will refuse to accept that they can’t discriminate, and will either close their doors rather than comply, or be sued out of business, just as Ed notes. Such restrictions on religion are nothing new; and in the case of discrimination on race, the law and the vast majority of the national electorate is just fine with this.

    But as recently as 2012, there was a small church that refused to allow a black couple to marry. The Church was excoriated in the national press (your freedom of religion doesn’t protect you from other people’s freedom of speech and press to call it backwards), and may have shed as much as a third of its membership in protest (in freedom of association). Nonetheless, their tax exemption remains intact, and no criminal charges nor civil lawsuits have been or are likely to ever be filed.

  11. 11
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    Erick Erickson

    ‘My the only one thinking of Catch22′s Major Major Major Major here? Erick Erick Erickson, I know you got labbelled with a shitty name. Sympathies on that but ‘s’no excuse dude.

    Pastors thrown in jail, churches disbanded, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

    First two are good and bit overdue with all those , y’know, notorious child sex rings and pedophile priests around, dogs and cats living together? Meh. Has been happening since both species were domesticated. I’ve got a dog and a cat and they live together juust fine.

    Mass hysteria? What the Higgs boson was a deluson now? We only think we have mass we’re really mass less? Ain’t that adding gravity denial to the list of anti-Intellectual shit bein’ spouted ‘ere?

    “As long as there are still Christians who actually follow Christ and uphold his word, a vast amount of people around the world — never mind Islam — will never ever see gay marriage as anything other than a legal encroachment of God’s intent.” – Pastor Erick Erickson,
    Okay. You just go right ahead and keep thinking that. No one else will care even the tiniest little bit, I promise you.

    Hope that’s right, Ed. Really hope so.

    … every single law that has been passed so far allowing gay people to get married has included explicit provisions saying that no church can ever be forced to perform a same-sex wedding.

    Awww.. pity really. Could be fun. (Although would you really want to be married by a celebrant wot hates ya guts? Really?) On second thoughts .. nah.

    Because, once again, this is an irrational pretext, not a serious argument.

    Nailed it right there Ed. Spot on.

    by the way, Erick, after calling Justice Souter a “goat-fucking child molester” and recently saying that you’d like the new pope better if it were true that he handed people over to the Argentinian junta for execution, you might want to just shut the fuck up before posing as the voice of Christian virtue.

    Oh don’t tell him *that*! Unlikely as it seems he might take your advice and then we’d lose a powerful illustration of the idiocy of that Anti-equal marriage case and why people shouldn’t associate them two words.

    Then again, guess its not like we’re short a such examples ..

  12. 12
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    “why people shouldn’t associate them two words.”

    Them words bein’ Christian & Charity natch.

  13. 13
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    Or, uh, ‘Christian” and “virtue” rather dammit.

    Why, yes I *am* pissed and overtired why d’ya ask?

  14. 14
    fifthdentist

    “Once the world decides that real marriage is something other than natural or Godly, those who would point it out must be silenced and, if not, punished. The state must be used to do this…”

    Damn, this is awful. I and my six wives and two concubines are going to call our members of Congress to demand that something be done about this perversion of biblical marriage!

  15. 15
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @10. abb3w :

    .. as recently as 2012, there was a small church that refused to allow a black couple to marry.

    For real?

    Fuuuuuucccckkk! (Yeah I can say that here can’t I? Hope / Think.)

    I didn’t know that. Or think it was plausible in this day and age. Humanity disappoints again.

  16. 16
    StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!

    @5th dentist : You poor thing!

    (Imagining how outnumbered & overworked you must be.)

  17. 17
    aaronbaker

    The Wikipedia entry for Erickson reports one of the most infuriating facts about him:

    On March 16, 2010, CNN announced the hiring of Erickson as a political contributor to John King, USA.

    Lame-stream Media, indeed.

  18. 18
    Donovan

    As long as there are still Christians who actually follow Christ and uphold his word…

    Just for shits-n-giggles, what was Jesus’s word on same sex marriage? It won’t change how I feel on the issue, but I’d like, just once, for these pricks to admit their bigotry outstrips even what their vile book of genocide justifications demands of them.

    Admit it, Erickson. You think Jesus was a coward and wouldn’t say how he really felt about the gays. Because clearly, Jesus was a coward and you need to speak for him, or you’re a liar hiding your own hideous morality behind a book you’ve probably never read but know is filled with hate for pretty much everyone, so guessed gays were included.

  19. 19
    mvemjsun

    Churches should lose their tax exempt status. Just like their should be no taxation without representation there should be no representation without taxation. It is only fair. Churches certainly want and constantly lobby for representation.

  20. 20
    fifthdentist

    @ Donovan
    I think as close as Jesus came was saying that the old law still applies.
    So no shellfish, mixed-fiber clothing, Captain D’s, hair/beard trimming. Also, non-virgin brides are to be stoned to death and rapists must marry their victims.

    “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” — Matthew 5:18-19

  21. 21
    slc1

    Re aaronbaker @ #17

    Much like the Washington Post allows a goat fuckken war criminal sumbitchbastard like Marc Thiessen to write columns on their editorial page. He has a prominent one in today’s paper (Saturday). Lame, lame, lame.

  22. 22
    Jafafa Hots

    “special rights”

  23. 23
    abb3w

    @15, StevoR: Name Too Damn Long:

    For real?

    Early account. Followup. Mediocre apology.

    I am not making this up.

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