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Mar 15 2013

Ted Cruz Birthers, Where Are You?

Newly elected Sen. Ted Cruz is already being mentioned as a potential Republican presidential nominee, but he was actually born in Canada. But a Liberty University law professor, writing at Breitbart.com, says that he’s still eligible to be president:

Cameron was referring to the Constitution’s Article II requirement that only a “natural born citizen” can run for the White House.

No one is certain what that means. Citizenship was primarily defined by each state when the Constitution was adopted. Federal citizenship wasn’t clearly established until the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified in 1868. The Constitution is not clear whether it means you must be born on U.S. soil, or instead whether you must be born a U.S. citizen.

Cruz was born in Canada, but his mother was a lifelong American, born in Delaware. (His father was a political refugee from Cuba.) So under federal law, Cruz was born an American citizen by virtue of his mother…

The most likely meaning of the national-born clause is that you must have been an American citizen at birth, so that you would not have greater loyalty to some foreign nation. Cruz was born an American citizen, and has spent most of his life serving this nation with unabashed patriotism.

But this puts him at odds with other Christian right legal types like Herb Titus, at least when it comes to Obama (if Cruz is eligible, so is Obama). And with a lot of people who routinely cite Klukowski’s anti-Obama book as well. And I did a quick Google search and couldn’t find anywhere that Klukowski ever spoke out against those who claim Obama isn’t eligible to be president.

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  1. 1
    Gregory in Seattle

    “Federal citizenship wasn’t clearly established until the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified in 1868. ”

    And unless Cruz was born before 1868, the matter is settled.

  2. 2
    jamessweet

    “Natural born citizen” status is awarded on a point system. +10 points for having an American parent, +5 points for being born in the US, -250 points for being black…

  3. 3
    theschwa

    -100 points for having a foreigny-sounding name.

  4. 4
    erichoug

    JESUS FUCK please tell me that the Republicans aren’t seriously considering Ted Cruz as a potential 2016 Presidential candidate!?

    I think the Republicans here in the state are already having buyers remorse about sending him to Washington. Though it would be funny watching him run through the wackaloon right talking points on national television while whatever well respected journalist is moderating tried not to laugh.

  5. 5
    steve oberski

    -100 points for being a Democrat, female, gay, atheist …

  6. 6
    raven

    I think the Republicans here in the state are already having buyers remorse…

    Hard to imagine the Texas GOP even noticing.

    Ted Cruz for U.S. Senate – Stop Agenda 21: The Constitution should …
    www .tedcruz. org/…/stop-agenda-21-the-constitution-should-be-our-…

    Jan 20, 2012 – By Ted Cruz … Agenda 21 is wrong, and it must be stopped. In 1992, the United Nations adopted Agenda 21 to “achieve a more efficient and …

    All that is stopping the UN and their Agenda 21 from taking over the USA is Ted Cruz and the John Birch society.

    I’m waiting for Cruz to go after the Chemtrails conspiracy. People are getting tired of jet planes flying overhead distributing mind control agents.

    HAARP chemtrails weather modification electromagnetic weapons …
    www .bariumblues. com/haarp1.htm

    HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction. Radio Waves strong enough to cause earthquakes are controlled by the U.S. military. It’s the largest ionospheric heater …

    Has Ted Cruz gone after HAARP weapons, FEMA concentration camps, vaccines, and the Space Reptiles yet?

  7. 7
    flyv65

    PLEASE tell me the Repubs are going to have Cruz in the running: it would be like a breath of Rick Perry flavored air, another indicator of rock bottom extremism that everyone would have to match to garner the “vote of the base”…

  8. 8
    Phillip IV

    I didn’t know that Ted Cruz was born in Canada…in fact, given the stuff he says, I have at times wondered whether he was even born on Earth.

  9. 9
    candiron

    Wait a second, Mr. Potato Head. Are you saying it’s OK to question whether someone running for President is actually eligible according to the rule of law? When did you get so scrupulous? Why are you holding people to a standard that you reject?

    Idiot. If you went on a diet and lost all the fat in your bloated body, there’d be a vacuum between your ears.

  10. 10
    raven

    PLEASE tell me the Repubs are going to have Cruz in the running:

    So far the Tea Party/GOP has Rubio, Ryan, Cruz, and Rand Paul in the running. Plus the 5 or so people god will pick as candidates, Bachmann, Satanorum and so on.

    It probably doesn’t matter who they pick. Romney, a part Reptilian nonxian who gives people nightmares still got 47% of the vote.

  11. 11
    raven

    Idiot. If you went on a diet and lost all the fat in your bloated body, there’d be a vacuum between your ears.

    Oh, look what just crawled out from under a rock.

    A birther!!! LOL.

    Sounds like the Chemtrails have got to him. Candiron, aren’t you worried the Trilateral comminsion/Illuminati are going to put you in a FEMA concentration camp under UN Agenda 21 for refusing to get vaccinated?

  12. 12
    democommie

    Fuckshit! I thought Cruz was homegrown, in the sense that he was an illegal alien from y’know, Messico.

    You know what’s worse than oneathem comin’ from Mexico to steal our women, jobs, healthcare and gunz? Right one comin’ from Mexicanada!

  13. 13
    d.c.wilson

    President Cruz would at least keep our golf courses safe the the UN’s black helicopters.

    Cruz is a natural born citizen because he holds the views of Real Americans ™.

    Honestly, I doubt he or Marco Rubio will get the nomination in 2016. They may be useful in trying to repackage the same stale ideas to Latinos (not really), but when it comes to casting a primary ballot, I don’t the rank and file republicans are ready for that. They were barely ready to nominate a white bread Mormon. There will be at least one old white guy in the GOP primary race and given the choice, I’ll bet most republicans will pick the old white guy over the middle aged Latino any day.

  14. 14
    democommie

    Candiass @8:

    WTF are you talking about? McCain was vetted, something to do with the military exemption. Or did you have someone else in mind, fucktard?

  15. 15
    steve oberski

    +1000 points for candiron on the “Natural born citizen” point system.

  16. 16
    dingojack

    ‘… minus several millions points for style…’
    Dingo

  17. 17
    vmanis1

    Speaking as a Canadian, I am immensely grateful to the U.S.A. for taking Mr Cruz off our hands.

  18. 18
    John Horstman

    @raven (#6): FEMA concentration camps aren’t really that much of a paranoid stretch. We’ve previously established ‘mass-quarantine’ camps in USA, and not all that long ago (well, WWII – YMMV on whether that’s a long time ago); while they nominally existed to prevent the spread of “venereal disease”, they were functionally dedicated to sequestering and resocializing visibly-sexual young women (particularly, though by no means exclusively, sex workers), especially those who were not White or not married. More famously, we established concentration camps for Japanese-Americans during the same period, and throughout the past fifty years we’ve sequestered refugees of uncertain legal status in conditions approaching those of prison camps (not to mention our official prison-industrial system). The eugenics craze and mass-anthropometry coupled with mass-sterilization programs for ‘undesirables’ got its start in the USA in the early 1900s; the Nazis were largely copying successful models of eugenic practice and population management from us when they implemented their Final Solution. Worrying about something for which there is a repeated historical (and arguably contemporary) precedent doesn’t strike me as particularly delusional.

  19. 19
    sinned34

    Candiron provides a lovely example of the reading and comprehension capabilities of the average Republican supporter. Anything, no matter how simply laid out, can and must be twisted to support the extreme conservative viewpoint.

    I love the Rovian “I am unable to defend my party, so instead I’ll turn this into an argument about what Ed believes!”

  20. 20
    cjcolucci

    The original article doesn’t explain why the Cruz family was in Canada at the time of Ted’s birth, and what their relations with the United States and Canada were, which could be significant. Were they tourists with unusually bad timing? Obviously, the child of U.S. military or diplomatic personnel, themselves citiznes, stationed abroad would be natural-born American citizens. That explains John McCain. During Lowell Weicker’s brief run for the Presidency, I believe it came up that he was born abroad, but that his family was abroad because his citizen father was working in a foreign branch office of an American company at the time. Probably also OK. But if someone wants to opine on the subject, he should explain the basic facts– or explain why he need not. It may be his view that the child of an American citizen, wherever born, is a natural-born citizen, period. If so, he should say so.

  21. 21
    d.c.wilson

    Carrion:

    There’s a difference between checking that a candidate meets the eligibility requirements and continuously denying that proof of birth has already been established beyond a reasonable (and many unreasonable) doubt.

    The latter is whet the birthers do.

  22. 22
    John Pieret

    vmanis1 @ 17

    Speaking as a Canadian, I am immensely grateful to the U.S.A. for taking Mr Cruz off our hands.

    Could we possibly get you to take Buffalo off our hands in return?

  23. 23
    gridlore

    What always amazes me in these arguments is that nobody seems to realize there is a federal law that defines who is a citizen from birth.

    8 USC § 1401 – Nationals and citizens of United States at birth.

  24. 24
    Trebuchet

    Dang! I’ve joined in too late and the troll’s already gone.

    It’s interesting to see the Repubs spinning this, given that Obama’s and Cruz’s situations are exactly the same — except, you know, for Obama actually having been born IN the USA.

  25. 25
    jnorris

    I still gotta have the long form.

  26. 26
    steve oberski

    @John Pieret

    Could we possibly get you to take Buffalo off our hands in return?

    If I recall correctly we burned it down for you in 1813 and you went and rebuilt it.

  27. 27
    democommie

    @21:

    “Carrion:”

    I see what you did there, good job!

    “@raven (#6): FEMA concentration camps aren’t really that much of a paranoid stretch.”

    Not if you live in the Wingnut multiverse.

  28. 28
    slc1

    Re John Pieret @ #22

    What’s the matter with Buffalo? I went to graduate school in Rochester which is about 60 miles to the east and visited Buffalo several times. Didn’t seem any worse then Philadelphia or Cleveland.

  29. 29
    Rip Steakface

    I know a Czech who has an American father, and is a dual Czech-American citizen as a result. Same would apply for Cruz, until Cruz chose to be either Canadian or American.

  30. 30
    Zinc Avenger (Sarcasm Tags 3.0 Compliant)

    This has all the greasy, smeared fingerprints of wingnut “logic” around it.

    You got your Muslamic Kenyan illegitimate President, so you don’t get to complain about our ineligible Presidential candidate!

  31. 31
    Ichthyic

    I remember the push rethuglicans made to allow for foreign born nationals to be eligible for pres when there was even the remotest possibility that Schwarzenegger would run for pres.

    anyone who thinks that there was ever even the remotest legal argument behind the Obama birth issue is blind, dumb, and ignorant.

    this, aside from the actual pure liars pushing the argument who know better, who I imagine would have a large overlap with those pushing for actually amending the fucking constitution when one of their own was thinking of running.

    so… candyland… which one are you? liar, or dumb, blind, and ignorant?

    judging by the “YOU’RE FAT!” comment, I have to lean towards the latter.

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