Adelson Bribed Foreign Officials


Sheldon Adelson, one of the richest men in the world and the single largest contributor to Republican politicians in 2012, has admitted to the SEC that he likely violated the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, which prohibits the bribing of foreign officials.

The Las Vegas Sands Corporation, an international gambling empire controlled by the billionaire Sheldon G. Adelson, has informed the Securities and Exchange Commission that it likely violated a federal law against bribing foreign officials.

In its annual regulatory report published by the commission on Friday, the Sands reported that its audit committee and independent accountants had determined that “there were likely violations of the books and records and internal controls provisions” of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

The disclosure comes amid an investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission as well as the Department of Justice and the Federal Bureau of Investigation into the company’s business activities in China.

Adelson has been under investigation for these same violations for many months, at the very least. He spent $150 million in 2012 on behalf of Republican candidates, the overwhelming majority of it given to Super PACs for the candidates, and he says he plans to double that in the future. Which sounds a lot like bribing American officials too.

Comments

  1. slc1 says

    Now here’s an opportunity for my old bud Don Williams to weigh in as Adelson is his favorite bete noir.

  2. Hercules Grytpype-Thynne says

    OT, Ed, but I absolutely can’t stand the new ad showing up at FtB (“Power Companies Hate This”) that features a very frenetic animated GIF. It’s perhaps even more annoying than the auto-play videos you used to have. Is there anyway to get your ad service not to provide such ads, the way you did with auto-plays?

  3. slc1 says

    By the way, Adelson is a major contributor to the Likud Party in Israel; apparently, he contributions this time around were as ineffective as his anti-Hagel contributions and Gingrich contributions were.

  4. D. C. Sessions says

    Well, the bet didn’t pay off for the House, but Adelson was at least going for a two-fer: get the Government he wanted anyway and, as a second benefit he would have had a very good chance of getting the potential charges swept under the rug.

    With the potential cash savings alone it was worth the gamble.

  5. oranje says

    Maybe it makes me no better than any other partisan, but it scares me far more when someone is funding Republicans like this than Democrats. Maybe it’s because of the idiocy I see out of the Republicans, I don’t know. Or it’s that I trust Democrats to actually compromise (not compromise by doing only what Republicans want) and try to do something vaguely close to the right thing. Then again, I’d vote for a sane, moderate, intelligent Republican if they were the better candidate. I personally know of no one on the right who would do the same for a Democrat. It’s the party allegiance and the effects such people getting elected that makes people like Adelson scare me.

  6. Trebuchet says

    OT, Ed, but I absolutely can’t stand the new ad showing up at FtB (“Power Companies Hate This”) that features a very frenetic animated GIF. It’s perhaps even more annoying than the auto-play videos you used to have. Is there anyway to get your ad service not to provide such ads, the way you did with auto-plays?

    Not to mention the “FEMA coffins revealed” one which shows a guy lying an a large plastic box much too large to be a coffin. I actually clicked on that one, it’s pitching some video on how to survive the end of the world.

  7. busterggi says

    Adelson will never do time or even pay a fine – the Israeli lobby wouldn’t stand for it and no politician of either party will stand up to them.

    Not anti-Semitic, just honest.

  8. says

    More OT: I agree with the others; that animated GIF is freaking ANNOYING. And we’re still waiting for the revamped front page, too. *taps foot impatiently*

  9. slc1 says

    Re busterggi @ #9

    Not anti-Semitic, just honest.

    Of course not, not a bit of it, perish the thought.

  10. Dennis N says

    Yeah, dude, I know SLC has a hair trigger on Israel, but that was clearly anti-Semitic. Adelson will get a little fine at most, but it has nothing to do Israel, and instead the fact that he’s in the 1%

  11. says

    Not to mention the “FEMA coffins revealed” one which shows a guy lying an a large plastic box much too large to be a coffin. I actually clicked on that one, it’s pitching some video on how to survive the end of the world.

    I haven’t seen that one; though every other article has a picture of a reporter standing in front of a riot, with the caption “FEMA BANNED THIS VIDEO!!!!”, which links to something called the “Family Survival Course”, which I haven’t been able to find information on outside of random product review sites that were clearly paid for the review.

  12. Don Williams says

    Hmmm. I can’t spend much time here since I have just discovered that I need to rush off and “prepare” so that when Obama declares “Marshal Law” I won’t be shipped off to the FEMA camps while “food stamp mobs” molest my family.

    However, I will note that DennisN at 12 seems confused. The Israel Lobby is a Rich Man’s Game. Unfortunately, many of America’s 4 million Jews don’t have a pot to pee in — and many of the remainder are merely middle class. They are not a large voting bloc like the Latinos or the blacks — and their campaign donations don’t amount to much either. It is a sign of antisemites’ hilarious stupidity that they focus on people who are irrelevent — and just as ignorant of what is going on as are most Americans.

    Even within the Lobby, several of the leading billionaires are non-Jewish. People make much of the neocons — but fail to realize that they are largely butt-kissing sycophants of wealthy goyim. William Kristol would be out in the woods ranting to the squirrels if Rupert Murdoch did not give him a soap box on Fox every so often — and William’s Weekly Standard lived off $1 Million per YEAR charity from Rupert for YEARS until Rupert sold it
    to crazy Christian billionaire Phillip Anschutz.

    People who hilariously call Richard Perle the “Prince of Darkness” never realized that gentile Conrad Black picked up Fat Richard’s hefty restaurant bills for years until Conrad was sent up the river over that unfortunate Hollinger business.

    The International Zionist Conspiracy has always been run by wealthy goyim for their own benefit — going back to British PM David Lloyd George. Look at his Memoirs to see why he created Israel — and created the Nazi movement in the process.

    As James Renton noted in “The Zionist Masquerade” the Zionist movement in 1917 was a pathetic splinter movement even within the UK and US Jewish communities — until David Lloyd George took it over as a propaganda front and over the objections of British Jewish leaders like Lord Montagu. Lloyd George’s Orwellian “Ministry of Information” took over the Zionist Review and increased its circulation from less than 1000 to over half a million within months. Jewish leaders in America who spoke against the Zionists were attacked by British agents.

  13. Don Williams says

    Anyone who thinks Sheldon Adelson is the only billionaire out there throwing $Millions into US campaigns should look at Wikipedia’s article on Israeli billionaire — and top Democratic donor — Haim Saban. Ole Haim dumped $14 Million into the Democratic Party in 2000-2002 — DNC Chairman Terry McAuliffe said Haim
    “saved the Democratic Party”. And ,as you can see from the Wiki, Haim has never been shy about saying what he is buying for his money.

    One of the more hilarious points in the past Presidential campaign was seeing “liberal Democrats” at Daily Kos take up the howling attacks on Ron Paul initiated by Marty Peretz’s New Republic –based on 20 year old newsletters and a tortured guilt by association. It never seemed to occur to the Kossacks that Ron Paul was the only politican who stood up in public and called bullshit on Bush’s case for invading Iraq — the only one with the courage to publicly challenge the other Republican candidates like Rudi Giulani on their deceit.

    So the Kossacks attacked Ron Paul for being a “racist” — while overlooking the fact that the New Republic, Haim Saban and the Sainted Hillary promoted an unnecessary war that has killed more black men in 10 years than the Ku Klux Klan managed in the past 100. And lets see how poor black communities do when the sequester hits and the $3 Trillion bill for that war comes due.

    And yet these are the same liberal morons who mocked the ignorant rural trailer trash for falling for Fox News con games. Never realizing that the Prime Donor of their Party got his fortune from Rupert Murdoch — $1 billion for 5 guys in colored spandex yelling “Red Power” “Blue Power” “Green Power”.

  14. slc1 says

    Ah, it’s good to see ole Don with his various conspiracy theories. For the information of those haven’t seen ole Don before, this is a textbook case of his paranoia. The only difference between him and Glenn Beck is the choice of conspirators.

    One of the things that disappoint me about ole Don’s latest incarnation is that he hasn’t added many new conspirators to his list. Same old Sheldon Adelson, same old Haim Saben, same old Marty Peretz, same old Rupert Murdoch, same old Conrad Black, same old Lloyd George, yadda, yadda, yadda. Time to get some new material Don, even though most of it is unfamiliar to the denizens of this blog. Believe me folks, this is all old hat, recycled from Matthew Yglesias’ old blog of 4 or 5 years ago. Nothing to see, move along.

  15. Don Williams says

    1) Not at all, SLC.
    I have argued that it is not in the interest of the American People to let ourselves be dragged into unprofitable wars in which we have no interests (since the common citizens die and the Rich get richer war -profiteering).

    However, I have also noted that if people do attack us, their bodies should be stacked up like firewood. Even if your countrymen are morons, you can’t stand by and let them be killed.

    2) I have also noted that those would manipulate us into unnecessary wars are just as much our enemy as is Al Qaeda. Worse — since I can understand why Al Qaeda fights us and an honest enemy is to be preferred to the one who stabs you in the back while enjoying the privileges of being an American. You can eventually make a peace deal with an enemy –but there is no fix for psychopathic treachery.

    3) I find it interesting that the Atlantic can focus like a laser on Samira Ibrahim’s statements –but averts its eyes from Bibi Netanyahu’s past comments. Did Bibi ever find those nukes of Saddam’s?

    Or was Thomas Friedman right when he noted what really determines the reception Bibi gets in America?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/14/opinion/friedman-newt-mitt-bibi-and-vladimir.html

    “I sure hope that Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, understands that the standing ovation he got in Congress this year was not for his politics. That ovation was bought and paid for by the Israel lobby. The real test is what would happen if Bibi tried to speak at, let’s say, the University of Wisconsin. My guess is that many students would boycott him and many Jewish students would stay away, not because they are hostile but because they are confused. ”

    Samira’s problem is that she doesn’t have a pack of Egyptian billionaires here in the USA hiring whores in the News Media to praise her and bribing Congressmen to kiss her butt.

    4) By the way, what did you think of Thomas Friedman’s column back in July 2012 — in which he suggested that
    Milt Romney should have gone to Las Vegas to lick Sheldon Adelson’s penis instead of traveling all the way
    to Israel to do it?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/01/opinion/friedman-why-not-in-vegas.html?_r=0

  16. slc1 says

    Ah gee, ole Don cites JINO Tom Friedman. Why not cite Strormfront? Ole Don should read the talkbacks on Israeli on-line media every time JINO Tom is cited in an article there.

    Samira’s problem is that she doesn’t have a pack of Egyptian billionaires here in the USA hiring whores in the News Media to praise her and bribing Congressmen to kiss her butt.

    Not a bit of it. Samira’s problem is that she’s a fascist whore who hates Jews,and the US, and lies that her twitter feed was hacked. I would have more respect for her if she came out and admitted to being a bigoted piece of filth. By the way, I hope that some heads in the American Embassy in Cairo will roll after this embarrassment to the First Lady and Secretary of State Kerry due to their failure to apply due diligence.

    Actually, this entire episode may turn out to be to Samira’s benefit as now the authorities in Egypt will be afraid to arrest her, much as they might want to, as she will be a hero there.

    By the way, ole Don’s throwing Bibi at me is a waste of electrons. I don’t like him any better then Don does. Apparently, the voters in Israel have gotten wise to him as his party lost 10 seats in the recent election.

    As for American college campuses, the cesspool of US antisemitism these days, I assume that ole Don thought it was great when the Israeli ambassador was booed off the stage at UC Irvine by Palestinian thugs and their US fucktard followers.

  17. slc1 says

    By the way Don, it should be noted that it was liberal Egyptian bloggers, who are not noted for their affection for the State of Israel, that outed this bitch and saved the State Department from a monumental embarrassment. The ghost of Harold Saunders lives on in the State Department.

  18. Don Williams says

    Of course, I suspect SLC’s “Israeli online media” is the Jerusalem Post. The rag that was run into the ground by goy owner Conrad Black, as memorably described by the UK’s Lord Gilmour.
    http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/04/65006.html

    In fairness to Mr Black it should be noted that he is an old man with a dominating wife and so he is probably
    merely pussywhipped, rather than acting out of strong, sincere convictions.

    Meanwhile, I forgot to mention that Marty Peretz’s publishing career has declined since he was dumped by rich wife Anne. Marty made his money the hard way — he married for it. But if you are going to be Harvard’s version of a porn actor, you evidently need to invest in the Viagra when you hit middle age and the ole hairline starts receding.

  19. Don Williams says

    One interesting factor that SLC overlooks is Big Oil.

    Exxon seems happy chewing away on that big oil deposit in northern Iraq, the good oil in Iran has already been taken (that is why the CIA overthrew Mossadagh and installed the Shah, after all) and I suspect Exxon would prefer not to have their rice bowls put at risk by us screwing with the Iranians.

    So while the Republicans will willing take the money of the Israel Lobby billionaires, I suspect the Lobby is not going to have the strong support for war that it got when Cheney’s masters had a hardon for those Iraq deposits.

  20. says

    … the good oil in Iran has already been taken (that is why the CIA overthrew Mossadagh and installed the Shah, after all)…

    No, you simpleton, that’s not the ONLY reason the CIA intervened in Iran. If you had even the most superficial knowledge of the history and geopolitics of that region, you’d know that British, Russian, and American jockeying over Iran predates the discovery of oil there, and has been driven by other strategic considerations that have nothing at all to do with oil. You may not understand or agree with the reasoning of those three powers, but that doesn’t mean it was really all about something else.

    You may know a few facts about that region, but you clearly don’t have the sense to manage them correctly, and the picture you paint with them is on the level of a child’s stick-figure drawing. Oh, and calling a guy “pussywhipped” without addressing what he actually said only further proves both your stupidity and your dishonesty. This is a grownup conversation, and you have no place in it.

  21. says

    The International Zionist Conspiracy has always been run by wealthy goyim for their own benefit — going back to British PM David Lloyd George. Look at his Memoirs to see why he created Israel — and created the Nazi movement in the process.

    First, Lloyd George didn’t “create Israel” — there was no nation of Israel until 1948! And second, the Nazi Movement was created by political-economic forces in Germany and central Europe, and had nothing at all to do with any actions relating to the Zionist movement — but a lot to do with home-grown antisemitism that predates Lloyd George by CENTURIES.

    Piss off, Don, you’re clearly nothing but a bigoted bothersome troll who has no idea what he’s talking about.

  22. slc1 says

    Re Don Williams @ #22 & #23

    Haaretz? Another left wing JINO publication. Not much better then the BBC and the Guardian. Try Ynet, Jpost, and The Times of Israel. And ole Don’s characterization of the Jerusalem Post is long out of date. They were sold years ago by Mr. Black (along with the Chicago Sun times, former bailiwick of ole Don’ s favorite Israel basher, Bob Novak). The Jpost isn’t nearly as conservative as it was when Black owned it.

    Re Raging Bee @ #26

    Actually, Russia and Great Britain have jousted since the 19th century over the Persian Gulf as Russia has longed for a warm water port open all year round for it’s navy. The port of Sevastopol was untenable because Turkey could easily bottle up any ships there by closing the Dardanelles.

    By the way Don, Mr Brayton has another post today on the Iraq war, which should give you another opportunity to blame it on Israel. Take it easy though, he doesn’t like his threads to be hogged by one or two commentors.

    http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2013/03/08/unhappy-anniversary-iraq-war/

  23. slc1 says

    Re Don Williams

    Oh and Don, try out the Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin, a fine successor to Judith Miller and some new material for you.

  24. Don Williams says

    Re Bee at 25: “has been driven by other strategic considerations that have nothing at all to do with oil.”

    1) Bee, Kermit Roosevelt was the CIA officer in charge of the coup that overthrew Mossadagh and installed the Shah. In his 1979 memoir “Countercoup” he states that the coup was proposed by the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (now BP) after its Iranian operations were nationalized by Mossadagh — the democratically elected government of Iran having the strange idea that Iranian oil belonged to the Iranian people, not to the British.

    2) Of course, to see that you would need the ORIGINAL edition of Countercoup — like the copy I have. I had to rush out and buy it in 1979 because it was pulled from the shelves the first day it was published due to BP threatening a libel suit:

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Kermit_Roosevelt

    3) I acknowledge that Kermit says the USA also wished to fight the dirty commies but, hey, US oil companies certainly got their piece of the Iranian pie as well, hee hee.

    4) Of course, it has always been about the oil. Get SLC to tell you about a Russian Jew named Georgi Rosenblum aka Sidney Reilly who worked for Britain’s MI6. Ole Sidney convinced the FOUNDER of BP –William Know D’Arcy — to give the Iranian oil to the British Navy by threatening to blow up D’Arcy’s pipelines.
    That threat kinda killed the deal D’Arcy was planning with the French Rothschilds.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Reilly#d.27Arcy_Affair

    The elite run Empire for a profit –even if the Little People aren’t bright enough to see that.

  25. says

    3) I acknowledge that Kermit says the USA also wished to fight the dirty commies…

    In other words, you admit that your own source proves your original assertion was wrong. And that admission is corroborated by an extensive history of geopolitical sparring far more complex than the dispute over one resource. The one article you cited (the other link was broken) does nothing to prove your simpleminded view of a complex history. Now go back to bed.

  26. says

    Get SLC to tell you about a Russian Jew named Georgi Rosenblum aka Sidney Reilly who worked for Britain’s MI6…

    Wny does his Jewishness even matter here? Can’t keep your bigotry hidden for even a minute, can you?

  27. says

    slc1 @27: exactly. Iran is a strategically important location for many more reasons than oil, and as the Persian Empire declined in power, two other big empires, Britain and Russia, inevitably ended up jockeying for position there (with occasional input from other countries like Germany). More recently, at least some US military planners had spoken of using Iran as a springboard for a counterattack against the USSR (hitting their breadbasket area) if they ever tried to invade Western Europe.

    Anyone who says this kind of geopolitical sparring is “all about the oil” is an idiot. Or a propagandist trying to manipulate other idiots. (Besides, how important was Iranian oil after we started drilling in Saudi Arabia?)

  28. slc1 says

    Re Don Williams @ #30

    It should be pointed out that the events ole Don describes occurred post WW 1. Up until the start of WW1, the British Navy didn’t need oil because their Dreadnaughts were all coal burners. The first oil burning Dreadnaughts were the Queen Elizabeth Class 15 inch ships.

    In fact, when the US Navy sent a flotilla of Dreadnaughts to augment the Grand Fleet in 1917, only the coal burning ships were included.

  29. Don Williams says

    Since Bee is not capable of searching Wikipedia, I will provided the link to Burmah Oil :

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burmah_Oil

    Important because it was how the Royal Navy screwed Australian D’Archy out of control of the Anglo-Iranian oil company –later BP.

    And I don’t know if I can explain it to people here but elites look 30 to 40 years into the future. As the articles I provide above show , the Royal Navy was moving to seize Iranian oil in 1904 — 20 years before they made the fleet totally dependent upon it. You can’t make a switch to a new fuel supply if you don’t control it.

    Most morons in America don’t realize that the Northern industrialists fought the US Civil War largely to seize the Pocahontas coal fields of West Virginia. The Pennsylvania railroads were the Goldman Sachs of their day, they saw that the coal fields of Pennsylvania would be exhausted and they had no access to Virginia –which in those days included West Virginia.The Radical Republicans in Congress were corrupt whores for the Railroads — which included supplier Big Steel.

    The Pocahontas coal fields were massive, thick and high quality. They had been scouted by a British geologist back in the 1850s. A major New York financier funded the Abolitionist movement and his son-in-law cleaned up after the War mining West Virginia. An ironical fact is that they ran the “company towns” along the feudal lines of a Southern plantation –based on debt slavery.

    If you look at Honest Abe’s sainted Constitution you will see the clause that says a new state can not be created from the territory of an existing state unless the existing state agrees. The creation of West Virginia was illegal and unconstitutional — didn’t matter to the money boys.

    Because Pocahontas Coal was vital to the US Navy, the Royal Navy and the future of the Industrial Revolution in the USA.

  30. Don Williams says

    It is the mark of American stupidity that our politicans can repeatedly utter cant in public about “America’s vital interests” and yet no reporter asks them to explain what those interests are and why they are “vital”.

  31. slc1 says

    Re Don Williams @ #35

    Hey, a new conspiracy theory from ole Don. Certainly good to see that he’s got some new material. I hate to remind old Don of this but the State of Virginia had declared that it was no longer a state before West Virginia was carved out of it. Virginia sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind. And by the way, it was unfortunate that Northern Virginia wasn’t also carved out of Virginia at the same time as folks like myself and Raging Bee now are forced to subsidize the rest of the state with our taxes. Something like 30% of the taxes collected in Northern Virginia is sent back here, the rest going to the peckerwoods south of the Occoquan. And by the way, there was abundant coal in Pennsylvania. Drive up the Northern Extension of the Pennsylvania Turnpike sometime and observe the strip mines.

    As for Lincoln, too bad he didn’t have some 15 megaton bombs and attendant delivery systems available. He could have ended the Civil War is a few days, 1 dropped on Richmond, 1 dropped on Atlanta, 1 dropped on Birmingham, etc.

  32. Don Williams says

    As usual, you are wrong, SLC. If you accept Lincoln’s argument that Virginia could not secede from the USA then Virginia was still a state and her consent was needed for West Virginia to be formed.

    The creation of West Virginia was an illegal and unconstitutional act.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_v._West_Virginia#Assessment

    But then the Law is usually just something the Rich use to con the Rabble. How many people
    on Wall Street have gone to jail since that massive fraud in 2008?

  33. says

    Important because it was how the Royal Navy screwed Australian D’Archy out of control of the Anglo-Iranian oil company –later BP.

    NONE of that proves that oil was ever the ONLY factor in any country’s policy toward Iran.

    Most morons in America don’t realize that the Northern industrialists fought the US Civil War largely to seize the Pocahontas coal fields of West Virginia.

    If that”s true, then why didn’t the North just secure those fields and let the rest of the South go?

    A major New York financier funded the Abolitionist movement…

    So fucking what? LOTS of Americans supported the abolitionist movement.

    The creation of West Virginia was illegal and unconstitutional…

    Bullshit. It was territory siezed in war — a war that the other side had started, BTW. It was about as “legal” as acts of war get. Your incoherent stupidity is leaving “blithering about oil” range and entering the “Southern nationalist” range.

  34. says

    If you accept Lincoln’s argument that Virginia could not secede from the USA then Virginia was still a state and her consent was needed for West Virginia to be formed.

    Bullshit. Virginia was participating in a war against the Union, and had used force to repel Union authorities from their soil; therefore the Union was no longer legally bound to respect its borders, or its rights under a Constitution that Virginia and the rest of the CSA were fighting to overthrow. When you go to war to overthrow a legal system, you can’t claim rights under that legal system.

  35. says

    It is the mark of American stupidity that our politicans can repeatedly utter cant in public about “America’s vital interests” and yet no reporter asks them to explain what those interests are and why they are “vital”.

    It is the mark of Don’s stupidity that there can be so much discussion of American policies, in all media of communication, for so many decades, and Don can pretend no one is talking about it or trying to explain it.

  36. slc1 says

    It is interesting, since ole Don brought up the subject of Lincoln, to compare him with his opposite number, Jefferson Davis. At the start of the Civil War, on paper, it appeared that Lincoln was in over his head. He had virtually no military experience, compared to his opponent who was a graduate of West Point, an officer in the Mexican War, and a Secretary of War in the Pierce Administration. However, like football games, wars are not won on paper. As General Fuller put it, Lincoln turned out to be a great war leader while Davis was a dried up old stick, more suited to the seminary then the presidential residence in Richmond.

    Lincoln was the exemplar of Fuller’s aphorism that there is nothing more important in military affairs then the possession of a fine mind. As it turned out, Lincoln had a fine mind who had an instinct for military strategy. Davis, on the other hand, was an incompetent commander in chief who had not the slightest notion of military strategy. Lincoln has been heavily criticized for interfering with his generals. Unfortunately, with generals like McClellan, Burnside, Hooker, and Halleck, I would argue that he didn’t interfere enough. Actually, Davis’ interference was far more serious, especially when he relieved Johnston and replaced him with Hood before the battle of Atlanta in 1864. Whatever the qualities that Hood possessed, he was in no condition to command anything more strenuous then a desk in Richmond as he had lost an arm and part of a leg, was in constant pain, and required large doses of laudanum to sleep at night. His actions after Atlanta fell were most deleterious to the Confederate cause, his army being overwhelming defeated outside of Nashville by Thomas and scattered never to reconstitute itself.

    Davis was not helped much by his military adviser, Robert E. Lee, who was no strategist, who either gave him the wrong strategic advice or was ignored. In many respects, Robert E. Lee was one of the most incapable commanding generals in history. However, even if Lee had been an exemplary strategist, Davis would probably have ignored him.

  37. Don Williams says

    Re Bee at 40:

    1) It always amuses me that liberal Democrats criticized Dick Cheney for wiping his behind on the Bill of Rights — and then rushed to cite his reasoning that the undefined “Laws of War” trump the Constitution once they assumed power. Truly, hypocrisy knows no party. I will note , however, that the Constitution explicitly states that it is the Supreme Law of the Land.

    2) Virginia was not a foreign invader. Lincoln’s entire justification for the Civil War was that Virginia was still a State within the Union and under the Constitution. After the War, the South was not made into a Territory like Guam.

    Since Virginia never ceased to be a State, then the following EXPLICIT clause in the Constitution still held:

    “no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.” (Article IV, Section 3).

    Western Virginia could have been occupied –same as the other Southern States Lincoln’s rush to create a new state from West Virginia –contrary to very Constitution he claimed to be defending — shows that he was a whore for Northern industrial interests, not a President defending the Constitution.

    3) Re Bee at 39: “LOTS of Americans supported the abolitionist movement”

    You evade my primary point –FEW American made as massive a fortune out of it as did
    Abram Hewitt — son-in-law of the primary financier of the Abolitionist movement,
    Peter Cooper.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abram_S._Hewitt

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia#Development_of_natural_resources

    Wiki is in error re British Geologist David T Ansted. Ansted discovered the massive New
    River coal deposits in 1853. The British Navy and New York and London financiers would have
    gotten the word shortly thereafter.

    As we can see from Bee’s ignorance, most US voters are still in
    the dark. That is why the Rich have a $Trillion /year “educational” system in the USA — to
    produce some of the most stupid people on the planet.

    4) Re Bee at 39: “Your incoherent stupidity is leaving “blithering about oil” range and entering ”

    Actually, I am just pointing out your deep ignorance of how Great Power elites steal the massive resources they need under the veil of one con game or another. You probably don’t even know why Obama is pivoting to the Pacific now that Exxon is craving up Iraq, do you?

  38. Don Williams says

    Re SLC at 42:

    Actually, I think the strategist was the Confederacy’s Jewish Secretary of State, Judah P Benjamin. Who allegedly was behind John Wilkes Booth’s assassination of Abraham Lincoln. One shot, one kill — A lot more frugal than Lee’s Army.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_P._Benjamin

    Escaped to England and made a ton of money in the London law biz. Lived long and prospered.

  39. slc1 says

    Re Don Williams @ #44

    Oh boy, another conspiracy theory. At least it’s a new one from ole Don. If it was Benjamen’s idea, he was a day late and a dollar short.

    Re Don Williams @ #43

    The South, in the person of Beauregard,committed an aggression against the Union forces at Fort Sumter which was Federal property. You can’t have it both ways, If South Carolina was still in the Union, according to your reading of the situation, the the attack on the fort was an illegal insurrection. The South maintained that the Confederate states no longer belonged to the Union, hence they forfeited any protection they might have under the Constitution which they now rejected. That’s what happens when you lose a war, the winners dictate the terms. Don’t believe it, observe the Oder-Nisse line between Germany and Poland. The State of Virginia can only thank its lucky stars that the government didn’t also detach Northern Virginia or the white trash south of the Occoquan would now be a basket case.

    Actually, ole Don’s claim about West Virginia makes no sense. West Virginia was detached from the rest of the state in 1862. If the only purpose of the Civil War was to control the coal deposits there, that was already accomplished. No need to spend the next 3 years fighting a war for coal deposits that were already secured.

  40. slc1 says

    Re Don Williams

    Now if Lincoln had been bumped off in 1861, the war might well have turned out differently. Charles DeGaulle is reputed to have said that the graveyards are filled with indispensable men. However, it could well be that Lincoln was indispensable in 1861.

  41. slc1 says

    To change the subject here, what does ole Don think of the brouhaha between the president of his old school, UVA, and and the chairperson of the board of regents?

  42. Don Williams says

    Re SLC at 45:

    They had to TRANSPORT the Coal, SLC. Cutting tunnels through mountains was expensive and steam locomotive of the day had to stay near rivers for water. Look at the map.

    1) Railroad magnate Collis P Huntington has noticed as early as 1837 that the East Coast’s largest, ice free port was near a sleepy fishing village called Newport News, Virginia. In 1865, he started buying up massive amounts of land there, took over the bankrupt Virginia Central Railroad and used it plus new tracks to form the Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad –running from Newport News to the coal fields of West Virginia. He then created the world’s largest coal export port there along with the world’s largest privately-owned shipyard to service it. A new city on what had been barren land 10 years earlier. An enterprise which fed for the next 140 years on the mining of one of the earth’s largest, richest coal deposits.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Newport_News,_Virginia#1881-1896:_tiny_farming_village_becomes_a_new_city

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collis_P._Huntington#Chesapeake_and_Ohio_Railway.2C_new_cities_and_a_shipyard

    2) His rival in the coal shipping biz was Norfolk and Western Railroad –formed when the Philly financial firm of EW Clark took over the bankrupt AM&O railroad a few years after the war. EW Clark’s Jay Cooke sold many of the bonds that financed Abe Lincoln’s Civil War.

  43. Don Williams says

    1) Oh yes –forgot an important point: It was much cheaper and easier to lay railroad tracks across Virginia’s flat Tidewater and rolling Piedmont terrain than to cut north through West Virginia’s mountains. Important since an early and rapid return on investment was essential, given how hard it was to raise capital in those days.

    2) Another point: Collis Huntington wrote the book on making Congress sit up and beg — see
    http://www.southernspaces.org/2009/corporations-corruption-and-modern-lobby-gilded-age-story-west-and-south-washington-dc

    3) But that works only if Congress is in charge. Before the Civil War, the C&O railroad and West Virginia coal mining would have been INTRASTATE commerce — wholly within Virginia and subject to the legislature in Richmond — which had long since been bought and paid for by Tidewater aristocrats/ slaveowners.

    Plus bankrupting that aristocracy got the business rivals out of the way –or else made them craven employees.

  44. says

    It always amuses me that liberal Democrats criticized Dick Cheney for wiping his behind on the Bill of Rights — and then rushed to cite his reasoning that the undefined “Laws of War” trump the Constitution once they assumed power.

    It amuses you to make up associations between one person’s actions and a made-up interpretation of someone else’s words? Whatever floats your dinghy, dude. My job is too demanding to have a hobby that silly.

    They had to TRANSPORT the Coal, SLC. Cutting tunnels through mountains was expensive and steam locomotive of the day had to stay near rivers for water. Look at the map.

    Yeah, the most economical way to get the coal from West Virginia to places like Boston, Providence, New York, Philadelphia, Wilmington, Baltimore, Chicago, or San Francisco, was through Mississippi and Florida. Look at a map and you’ll see how “straightforward” Don’s reasoning is. Just don’t ever ask him for directions.

    Lincoln’s rush to create a new state from West Virginia –contrary to very Constitution he claimed to be defending — shows that he was a whore for Northern industrial interests, not a President defending the Constitution.

    Yep, you ARE a Southern nationalist. As Al Pacino might say, I’m a scary judge of “talent.” Next we’ll be hearing how the Emancipation Proclamation was unconstitutional and the Civil War wasn’t really about slavery.

    Actually, I think the strategist was the Confederacy’s Jewish Secretary of State, Judah P Benjamin. Who allegedly was behind John Wilkes Booth’s assassination of Abraham Lincoln.

    Killing the enemy’s head of state after your country has been totally crushed and surrendered — what a devilishly brilliant strategy for turning the whole war around! And only Don could see the true brilliance of this strategy. Who knew?

    Meanwhile, on the distant planet Bolox XII, trouble was brewing. Trouble in the shape of an invasion led by monstrous green creatures whose tentacles looked suspiciously…Jewish.

    Relentlessly stupid troll is relentlessly stupid. Or a ‘bot…I’m sure someone could develop a downloadable app that pulls random facts off the ‘tubes and lumps them together into, say, one new Jewish conspiracy theory per hour…then it could call everyone on your contact list and share the spam…

  45. says

    Oh yes –forgot an important point: It was much cheaper and easier to lay railroad tracks across Virginia’s flat Tidewater and rolling Piedmont terrain than to cut north through West Virginia’s mountains.

    Another important point you forgot: if the coal is under the mountains, then you have to cut your roads through those mountains anyway, whatever direction you’re coming from. Mountains don’t become flatter when you approach them from behind.

    Seriously, have you ever even SEEN a mountain?

  46. Don Williams says

    1) Actually I grew up in the coal-mining area of Appalachia. I worked about 15 months in coal mines to earn money for college. What is Raging Bee’s experience — or does he , like most liberal arts majors and liberal Democrats , simply shoot of his mouth about things of which he knows nothing?

    2) The rape and plunder of Virginia’s coal fields by northern magnates after the Civil War occurred as I described. That plunder was the major source of the wealth of the Gilded Age. My people had to fight a guerrilla war to throw off the tyranny by which it was extracted.

    3) Democrats claim to represent the workers — the lower 90% of the income brackets. Yet, amazing enough,
    50% of the voters think it is not worth going to the polls to vote for a Democrat and 25% of those who do vote hate and despise the Democrats. Could it be the Democratic politicans’ tradition of selling out the common citizens and fastening their lips to the buttocks of the Rich at the first opportunity.

    4) In other countries, the poor and the workers eventually rebel at being screwed by the Rich. But America has one of the most inequitable distributions of income in the word because the Rich infiltrate hostile agents into the Rabble — people who seize leadership of the rebellion just so they can run it off a cliff and leave the Rabble deeply depressed and frustrated.

    How is that “Change You Can Believe In” working out? Black unemployment has been –what? Around
    15% in the 4 years since the Democrats assumed control of the White House, a supermajority in the House and a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

    There is something semi-respectable about Republican sellouts like Bill O’Reilly of Fox. He is a whore but an expensive one –a multimillionaire by now. In contrast there is something pathetic about the Democratic whores — they get so little. A crack prostitute giving a blowjob in a dirty alley has more dignity.

  47. slc1 says

    Re Don Williams @ #52

    Ah gee, another Don Williams conspiracy theory. At least he’s coming up with some new material.

  48. slc1 says

    Re Don Williams @ #52

    In fairness to Mr. Bee, it is my information that he has an engineering degree, just like ole Don and has been employed in the defense industry, just like ole Don. Of course, if my information is incorrect, I am sure that he will issue a correction.

  49. dingojack says

    Don – “My people had to fight a guerrilla war to throw off the tyranny by which it was extracted”.
    ‘Your people’ used tyranny to mine coal? Wouldn’t a pick and shovel be more efficient?
    ” Democrats claim to represent the workers”
    Citation required.

    ” Yet, amazing enough, 50% of the voters think it is not worth going to the polls to vote for a Democrat”
    Actually, 42,5% voters didn’t cast a ballot, for all sorts of reasons. How many didn’t vote a Democratic nominee is debatable but of those that did vote, a handy majority voted for Obama rather than Romney.

    “”… and 25% of those who do vote hate and despise the Democrats.”
    They’re called Republicans, Don, teabaggers to be specific. You one of them?

    “But America has one of the most inequitable distributions of income in the word [sic}”
    Really? Any citations for this?

    Dingo

  50. dingojack says

    Ooops. ‘…How many didn’t vote because the only realistic option was a Democratic nominee …”
    Dingo

  51. slc1 says

    Re Don Williams @ #52

    Ole Don should be aware that the contempt which he holds towards humanities majors sounds a lot like the contempt that physics majors hold toward engineering majors.

  52. slc1 says

    Re dingojack @ #55

    Unfortunately, much of the income inequality in the US is due to the greatly increased tuition charges at public and land grant state colleges. Now students go deeply into debt to pay for their education and spend all too many years paying off the loans. I suspect that ole Don would now have great difficulty making enough at coal mining to pay the current costs of higher education at any of Virginia’s state universities.

    When I was a freshman at Berkeley, the tuition charge was a flat $50/semester, regardless of the number of credit hours. I suspect that something similar was also true at ole Don’s alma mater, UVA. Now days, it’s getting hard to tell the difference in tuition costs between Berkeley and Standford. This abandonment of public university education by the states is a tragedy. At one time the public higher education system in the US was the envy of the world and the public higher education system in California was the envy of the other 49 states. Penny wise and pound foolish policies by conservative state governments have thrown the competitive advantage we used to have out the window.

  53. slc1 says

    Re Don Williams

    You know Don, since you now live in Pennsylvania, you may be unaware of the changes at Virginia’s state universities since you were s student at UVA. Today, residents of Virginia are discriminated against for admission to UVA and VPU in favor of out of state students because the tuition charges are higher for the latter. In addition, students from Northern Virginia high schools are discriminated against for admissions to UVA and VPU in favor of students from other parts of the state (including Southwest Virginia) in order to achieve geographic balance. Thus a student who graduates from a high school in Arlington, Co., Falls Church, or Fairfax Co. has a poorer chance of admission to UVA or VPU then a student who graduates from a high school in Richmond, Norfolk, or Southwest Virginia with identical credentials. This despite the fact that the high schools in those 3 former jurisdictions are the best in the state and among the best in the entire country. Just one of the crosses Bee and I have to bear because of the failure to seperate Northern Virginia from the rest of the state during the Civil War.

  54. Don Williams says

    Re Slc at 59:

    My son went to Carnegie Mellon because its computer engineering and computer science programs are better than Berkeley’s (heh heh) –plus he is a conservative (to annoy me) and liberal Berkeley was just a bridge too far.

    Penn State does not rank with the Ivy League in the US News rankings but I think it does an excellent job
    of trying to give opportunity and an excellent education for many of Pennsylvania’s students, although quality varies among departments as elsewhere. Also, quality is rationed according to student performance and work ethic — a student can study at the State College campus only if their grades/scores are good enough , else they have to look at one of the other campuses. State College can provide decent courses to even top students and they can always transfer to MIT or Stanford for graduate studies. It’s costs are still reasonable as well. It still seems to follow the original ethos of the state university. in making tradeoffs. Especially for a student from a poor background it is not bad.

    The State of Pennsylvania also gives special scholarships to provide extra help to poor students who have shown talent.

    UVA has a split personality — it was originally a school for the Southern aristocracy but many of those guys were wiped out or bankrupted by the Civil War. Too some extent it carries on that tradition in the professional schools of law, medicine and business but its elitist pretensions do not suit a state university.

    Virginia has never had the industry to support even one engineering program and whatever it has in that area is in Northern Virginia. Virginia Tech was set up at Blacksburg to support the Norfolk and Western Railroad HQ at Roanoke and God knows why an engineering program was set up in the rural countryside of Charlottesville. Both programs should be moved to Northern Virginia — and I think Va Tech already has a graduate studies program there.

    Richmond and Northern Virginia may mock the Appalachian coalfields of western Virginia but that is the only part of Virginia that has produced native multimillionaires in the past 150 years, with the exception of real estate developer Til Hazel in Fairfax — and he largely sucked on the teat of the Federal Government. The rest of Virginia is still the sparsely populated farmland that Grant left — with the exception of the Norfolk port developed by the efforts of Northern outsiders after the Civil War (as I described above) and the federal government from WWII onward.

    And both Northern Virginia and Norfolk are about to be sodomized by major defense budget cuts –both planned and due to the sequester. Watch what happens to home prices.

  55. Don Williams says

    PS to SLC: My son was one of Exeter’s national merit scholars and probably could have gotten into MIT or Stanford. He was not too interested in MIT because of reports he got from a Chinese friend there and he chose to play safe by applying to CMU for early admission — which precluded throwing the dice later for MIT or Stanford. Plus he liked CMU when he visited.

    He lost out on several significant Pennsylvania scholarships because he went to Philips Exeter instead of graduating from a Pennsylvania high school. He is happy that he went to Exeter but it is interesting that
    such boarding schools can be a disadvantage in some respects. A student who might rank No 1 or No 2 in his high school class may only rank in the top 25% of a highly selective boarding school.

  56. slc1 says

    Re Don Williams @ #61

    and I think Va Tech already has a graduate studies program there.

    Actually, the facility is in Falls Church, next to George Mason High School, the high school for that city. It is a joint undertaking of both VPU and UVA who co-manage the program.

    There may not be many billionaires in Northern Virginia but per-capita income levels are by far the highest in the state and among the highest in the country. As ole Don relates, a consequence of Federal Government spending on the Beltway bandits.

    Gee Penn State, better known as the State Pen. Former bailiwick of Jerry Sandusky. I haven’t seen anyone’s reputation fall faster into the toilet after his demise as did Joe Paterno’s since J. Edgar Himmler croaked.

  57. Don Williams says

    Re Dingojack at 55: “‘Your people’ used tyranny to mine coal? Wouldn’t a pick and shovel be more efficient?”

    1) I don’t see why I should waste time talking to a lowly Australian who will probably be a subject of Beijing’s
    –and mining Australian coal for them — 20 years hence. At which point this parasitical intellectual will get an real understanding of what using a pick and shovel means. Mao had his shortcomings but I think he was on to something with his reeducation camps for academicians.

    2) So I will merely suggest that Dingojack watch a movie titled “Matewan”. Maybe read a book titled “NIght Comes to the Cumberlands”.

  58. Don Williams says

    SLC at 63: While I don’t approve of giving football a major role at universities, it does tend to bind the citizens together and help maintain their tax support for the associated academia. Plus I believe it yields a profit for the school. Obviously the Sandusky affair damaged that. But the Catholics and Italians of PA will no more abandon Penn State than they will abandon the Vatican.

  59. slc1 says

    Re Don Williams @ #62

    He lost out on several significant Pennsylvania scholarships because he went to Philips Exeter instead of graduating from a Pennsylvania high school. He is happy that he went to Exeter but it is interesting that such boarding schools can be a disadvantage in some respects. A student who might rank No 1 or No 2 in his high school class may only rank in the top 25% of a highly selective boarding school.

    This has been observed by graduates of the Thomas Jefferson School of Science and Technology in Fairfax Co., which is an elite public school modeled on the Bronx School of Science in New York City. It was established as an inducement to Mobil Oil to move their headquarters from New York City to Northern Virginia (they have since merged with Exxon and are moving their headquarters from Northern Virginia to Texas). It has also been observed by Bronx School of Science graduates because Haavaad has a quota for such graduates. A leftover from the days when Haavaad had a quota for members of a certain ethnic group (heh heh), which, at that time, composed most of the students at the BSOS. Nowadays, it is my information that Orientals comprise the largest ethnic contingent at that school.

  60. slc1 says

    Re Don Williams @ #65

    Hey, I thought that the Cat o licks and the Italians in Pennsylvania were Notre Dame fans.

  61. slc1 says

    Re Don Williams @ #65

    Actually, football only shows a profit as a few of the Division 1 schools. It is my information that most of them lose money on the program.

  62. slc1 says

    Re Don Williams @ #69

    Hey, everybody knows that Philly is a tough town. Several years ago, the “fans” booed Santa Clause at a Beagles game.

  63. Don Williams says

    And rightfully so. Word on the street in Philly is that there is a reason why that fat fuck wears a fake beard
    and gets kids to sit on his lap with the promise of presents. If you catch my drift.

  64. dingojack says

    Don – Bwhahahahahahaha!!! Australian sales to Japan of black coal alone make up over 127M short tons in 2011,; China was the second largest importer of Australian black coal at 42.6M short tons. (Total American exports as of Dec 2012 was 31,563,367 short tons, in comparison).*

    You claimed: “But America has one of the most inequitable distributions of income in the word [sic}”

    The ‘evidence’ is a (dubious) website claiming inequity in America and showing the amount of wealth (apple and oranges, since the author was at pains to claim to be speaking of income) held by the top 1% of ten countries,, and a Wikipedia article(!) showing the GINIs of twelve countries over differing periods.
    I know geography (or any other field of knowledge outside engineering) is not your forte despite your claims of expertise**, but there are far more than ten or twelve countries in the world (or ‘word’, even), a better than half-hearted effort to back-up the veracity of your claim with actual data would be appreciated (but not anticipated) before you Gish-gallop off over the horizon.

    Dingo
    ——–
    * Sources: US Energy Information Administration. Table 7: US coal exports. Australian Coal Association. Exports.. [Note: I have converted tonnes to short tons, for your convenience].

    ** paging messieurs Dunning & Kruger…

  65. slc1 says

    I don’t know why Don and Dingo are nattering about coal. We ought to be phasing out coal burning power plants in favor of natural gas burning power plants because of global climate change (enter Sir Lancelot with his no big deal shtick) and putting the screws on China and India to do thee same..

  66. says

    You worked in a coal mine to pay your way through college, so that makes you an incontrovertible expert on Jewish conspiracies through history?

    Tell us, which precious resource did the Jews kill Christ for?

  67. Don Williams says

    Re Addled Bee at 75:

    1) Actually, if you look at my above posts (14, 15, 24, 35) you will see that I said the
    “Jewish” conspiracies are usually conspiracies set up and run by the
    goyim for their own profit — and that the ordinary Jews are usually too
    stupid to know what is going on. Not that it would matter — their political
    influence is dreck because their wealth, campaign donations and votes
    don’t count for shit.

    2) Some Jewish billionaires may be partially let in on a scam because, hey, the
    goyim can use the money and they always need someone to be left
    holding the bag of cat shit if things go south.

    First rule of conspiracy — always have a scapegoat handy.
    Just ask Richard Fuld about Hank Paulson. Or Scooter Libby and Judith
    Miller about Richard Armitage and Karl Rove. heh heh.

    As even Tom Friedman and Haaretz acknowledged, Neocon
    fingerprints are all over the Iraq invasion –Big Oil’s , not so much.
    (Second Link in Post 22 and Post 24).

    3) While SLC occasionally leaves me underwhelmed at the power of Ashkenazi IQ,
    not even the American Jewish community is stupid enough to risk pogroms
    in America — and their citizenship in the richest, most powerful nation on
    Earth — for the sake of a tiny piece of near desert that has been shat upon
    in the past 7000 years by every Empire to come down the pike: Egyptians,
    Hittites, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Muslims, Crusaders,
    Turks, French, Brits.

    Nah — in 1917 British Big Oil needed someone to guard that patch in order to split
    the Muslim world in two and protect the Suez Canal. It is a strategic land bridge
    that connects Muslim North Africa with Muslim Southwest Asia. Divide and conquer
    don’t you see.

    But Military occupation would have been hideously expensive. So they looked
    around the Empire for a political faction that would be stupid enough to do the bloody,
    unprofitable job for free.

    Unfortunately, some billionaires like Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban are indifferent
    to the damage they do to their fellow Jews — but then psychopathic indifference mixed with
    unbridled egos is how they became billionaires in the first place.

    4) I cited the admirable Sidney Reilly in posts 29-30 above because it distresses
    me how little my buddy SLC knows about his heritage — and the causes he
    espouses.

    So I give him free tuition — it’s a ..er..cross this poor old gentile has to bear.

    5) I studied engineering in college. I saw no reason to pay humanities professors large
    sums of money to lie to me.with elaborate false narratives — that is what the US News
    Media is for.

    Always go to the primary (original) sources — and remember what Thorstein
    Veblen said about academicians.

  68. Don Williams says

    Re Addled Bee at 75: “Tell us, which precious resource did the Jews kill Christ for?”

    Christianity was a Roman intel op to sodomize the Jewish Resistance –and religion. Didn’t you guys catch on
    to that yet? Where is the HQ for the Universal Church?

    There were Roman provocateurs in the mob. Aided unwittingly by some Jews of course. Never
    let it be said that a Jew won’t cut off his penis to spite his wife — that is how circumcision got started.

  69. slc1 says

    Re Don Williams @ #77

    1. Actually, the crowd consisted mostly of Arab followers of Barabbas who just wanted their guy to walk away. As for Yeshua ben Josef of Nazareth, it was his tough luck to be paired with Barabbas on that particular day.

    2. Actually, at one time, circumcision was practiced on about 90% of
    American men. Most of the exceptions were from white trash areas like Sourhwestern Virginia. These days, its down to 50%/

    3. AFAIK, Mr. Bee is not of the chosen folks.

    Re Don Williams @ #76

    As usual, ole Don’s theory as to why the Balfour Decleration was issued is just another one of his nonsensical conspiracy theories, proven by the fact that the land was offered to the Arabs shortly after the allied victory in WW1. Perfidious Albion and all that.The actual reason was in order to placate the German Jewish publisher of the New York Times, Adolf Ochs who previously had been mildly pro German as befit his antecedents. The object was to prevent his paper from opposing entry into the war on the side of Britain. Worked out pretty well all things considered.

  70. says

    1) Actually, if you look at my above posts (14, 15, 24, 35) you will see that I said the
    “Jewish” conspiracies are usually conspiracies set up and run by the
    goyim for their own profit — and that the ordinary Jews are usually too
    stupid to know what is going on.

    None of that makes any of your conspiracy-theories any more sensible or true. You’re either still an incoherent bigoted moron, or a right-wing plant trying to piss in the well and inject bigoted crap into otherwise legitimate criticism of capitalists and their supporters.

  71. Don Williams says

    Re SLC at 78:
    Sigh. Another free history lesson for SLC and you other poor fools:

    Bee scoffed when I noted that gentile UK Prime Minister David Lloyd George
    created both Israel and the Nazi Holocaust — for Britain’s benefit (Post 14)

    1) But David Lloyd George openly boasted of what he had done. Look at his
    Memoirs of the Peace Conference where he talks about the calculations that
    led him to issue the Balfour Declaration — over the opposition of Jewish leaders
    like Lord Montagu.

    http://mailstar.net/l-george.html
    (Note: I checked the excerpt here against a hardcopy of Lloyd George’s Memoirs and
    verified that it is a true copy. )

    2) Lloyd George PROMOTED the story of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion — he
    boasted of how he created Israel in 1917 as part of a DEAL with the powerful “world Jewry”
    to starve 1.5 millions Germans to death and win World War I.

    3) Historians, including Jewish historians, have remarked how in the decades prior to
    WWI Germany had offered Jews the warmest welcome received in the Diaspora —
    that intermarriage was common, acceptance in German society was without question
    and that Germany had given refuge to Jews fleeing the pogroms of Russian czars.
    What changed that?

    4) Lloyd George did — with malice aforethought. He proclaimed that Britain was losing the
    war in 1917:
    a) German submarines had cut shipments to Britain
    b) Ally Russia was out of the war due to the Bolshevik Revolution
    c) America was reluctant to enter the war and moving slowly
    d) Britain was near bankruptcy and badly needed loans from New York –but wealthy
    Jews there supported Germany. Partly because they were immigrants from Germany
    and partially because Germany had provided Jews protection from the Russians
    e) Those wealthy American Jews also had major influence with US President Woodrow
    Wilson –because they financed his campaign. (Pace SLC, Lloyd George was more
    focused on people with REAL money — like Jacob Henry Schiff of Kuhn Loeb — than on poor
    churchmice like the Ochs.)

    f) Jews also had major influence in Russia’s new Bolshevik government and were needed
    to block food from the Ukraine being shipped to Germany
    g) Hence, Lloyd George created Israel as a deal to get “world Jewry” on Britain’s side
    Including GERMAN Jews.
    g) Lloyd George noted that the Zionists kept their end of the bargain — that “MILLIONS” of
    leaflets were dropped in Russia AND Germany and Austria calling upon Jews to support
    Britain. That their call succeeded — that food shipments from the Ukraine were halted and
    Germany starved into submission.

    5) Lloyd George was lying in several respects:
    a) The Zionist movement was a small movement even within the American and British
    Jewish communities — until Lloyd George’s Ministry of Information covertly took it over
    as a propaganda front and turbocharged it with the British Government’s money, power
    and influence. Which included British agents in America attacking any American Jewish leaders
    who opposed their Zionist puppets. See James Renton’s “The Zionist Masquerade”.
    b) While some Zionist leaders in the USA did appeal to Russian Jews to blockade Ukrainian
    food shipments, Russian communists despised Britain. Especially after that attempted invasion
    on behalf of the White Russins at Archangel.
    c) There is no evidence that German Jews were disloyal and responded to Lloyd George’s appeal. However,
    his claims re Balfour were cited by the creator of Nazi ideology Alfred Rosenberg immediately
    after the war and used to build the Nazi movement. See
    “Zionism and Anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany”, Francis R Nicosia, p.67 . It
    was Lloyd George’s claims that let the acts of a few people –like Rosa Luxemburg in the
    Spartacists — be exploited later by the Nazis. So that the acts of a Communist –allied with
    non-Jewish German Communists — became the acts of “the Jews”.
    d) The poisonous seed planted by Lloyd George grew –aided by Lloyd George himself.
    Starvation of 1.5 million Germans. Ruinous reparations at Versailles.
    e) That was no accident — Lloyd George noted that the purpose of his black propaganda
    was to divide and conquer the people of the Central Powers. Driving a wedge
    between German Jews and non-Jewish Germans was just part of the WWI (and post-war)
    weakening and social re-engineering of Germany.

    British intelligence also played the division game in America , albeit with more
    concealment and restraint. Non-Zionist Jews got the same treatment as the Irish
    and American Germans. Lloyd George no doubt saw the Holocaust two decades
    later as a feature, not a bug.

    6) It is hilarious that US Jews today do not realize British influence. Even the word they use
    to describe attacks on them –“anti-semitism” — was a British creation. Coined in the
    propaganda campaign effort to overthrow the Ottoman Turks (in order to grab the oil),
    the term applied equally to Ottoman attacks on the Middle Eastern Arabs and the Armenians.
    (Maybe even to Marty Peretz’s attacks on the Muslims, heh heh)

    7) The stupid Russians who forged the Protocols never realized that they were really describing
    the British –not the Jews. Of course, they didn’t realize that the same Sidney Reilly who
    screwed the Rothschilds out of Middle Eastern oil was also giving the Japanese fleet the map
    showing the passage through Port Arthur’s defenses. On secret orders from the Elders in
    London.

  72. Don Williams says

    Re Addled Bee at 79: “You’re either …. or a right-wing plant trying to piss in the well and inject bigoted crap into otherwise legitimate criticism of capitalists and their supporters.”
    —————
    Yeah,right. Karl Rove noted the huge tsunami of Internet traffic you guys have here and hired me to disrupt your massive influence on US political discourse. The Koch Brothers are wetting their pants from anxiety.

  73. slc1 says

    Re Don Williams @ #80
    Lloyd George PROMOTED the story of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion — he
    boasted of how he created Israel in 1917 as part of a DEAL with the powerful “world Jewry”to starve 1.5 millions Germans to death and win World War I.

    Which, of course, was exactly what Germany was trying to do to Britain via the unrestricted Uboar campaign. Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander and all that. And, in fact, it would have succeeded except that Lloyd George & Co., under pressure from Wilson’s naval envoy, Admiral Sims, finally got wise that Admiral Jellicoe, who opposed convoys, was defeatist and fired his ass out the door. As soon as convoys were organized, shipping losses fell dramatically.

    Historians, including Jewish historians, have remarked how in the decades prior to WWI Germany had offered Jews the warmest welcome received in the Diaspora –that intermarriage was common, acceptance in German society was without questionand that Germany had given refuge to Jews fleeing the pogroms of Russian czars.What changed that?

    That’s quite true and my grandfather was one of them. What ole Don fails to inform us of is that they were prevented from remaining in Germany and had to go elsewhere shortly after their arrival. Most of them ended up in
    Great Britain and from there Canada and New York City.

  74. slc1 says

    Re Don Williams @ #77

    While SLC occasionally leaves me underwhelmed at the power of Ashkenazi IQ,

    I don’t know, fellows like Einstein, Feynman, Gellmann, Michelson, Landau, etc. didn’t do too badly.

    By the way, I found out about a month ago that my PhD thesis adviser was a collaborator with Peter Higgs on his 1964 papers that posited the Higgs boson. Made no splash at the time because quantum field theory was in somewhat of a hiatus because of its apparent inapplicability to strong interaction physics.

    Re Don Williams @ #80

    Pace SLC, Lloyd George was more
    focused on people with REAL money — like Jacob Henry Schiff of Kuhn Loeb — than on poorchurchmice like the Ochs.)

    Don’s conspiracy theories fail once again. The problem Great Britain faced wasn’t bankruptcy. It was that they were going to lose the war unless there was US intervention. All the money in the world would have been to no avail. Ole Don’s fails to realize that Wilson required Congressional approval to enter the war, which approval he might not get if the New York Times printed out German propaganda and opposed US entry into the war on the side of the Triple Entente, or worse advocated intervention on the side of Germany. At that point in time, the influence of the newspapers was crucial because it was, in effect, the only source of information (no internet, no TV, radio in its infancy, etc.). Don’t believe it, go back 18 years to see how Hearst and Pulitzer lied us into the war against Spain.

  75. Don Williams says

    SLC at 83:
    1) You have a point but there were a lot of newspapers in America besides the New York Times — owned
    by non-Jews.
    2) The money was also important. Lloyd George noted the importance of public opinion (although that had already been influenced by the Zimmerman Telegram and the German ambassador stupidly admitting it was true)

    Look again at what Lloyd George said:
    “It was believed, also, that such a declaration would have a potent influence upon world Jewry outside Russia, and secure for the Entente the aid of Jewish financial interests. In America, their aid in this respect would have a special value when the Allies had almost exhausted the gold and marketable securities available for American purchases. ”

    Jacob Schiff had helped the Japanese finance their war against the Russian Romanovs in retaliation for the pogroms.

    3) It is ironical that Lloyd George said he issued the Balfour Declaration to preempt the Germans from playing a similar gambit. That the Germans in fact had already tried but the “stupid Turks” (where have I heard that term before?) had balked.

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