Ringer: Gun Control Leads to Gas Chambers, Gulags

The right’s Nazi tourette’s problem continues. Robert Ringer, a columnist for the Worldnutdaily, goes for both the Hitler and Stalin comparison in his latest column. Obama, you see, wants to take all the guns away (which is a lie, of course), just like Hitler and Stalin did to set up gulags and the gas chambers:

At the risk of drying out Chris Matthews’ pee-soaked trousers, I am compelled to speak the unspeakable: Barack Obama is not “the smartest guy in the room.” In fact, as those who knew him at the University of Chicago have made clear, he is not even a particularly intelligent individual. He is, however, exceedingly clever and cunning.

Which is why guns are now at the top of his agenda. He senses that the tea party is threatening to make a comeback, this time with many more rednecks in the mix. Rednecks are a government’s worst nightmare because they 1) own lots of guns, and 2) often live in hard to reach places – e.g., the Ozarks, the Appalachians and the Smokys. And they don’t much care for people who wear government badges.

Whenever government tries to exert absolute control over the citizenry, the use of force is a must. You cannot stop people from doing things they want to do, or make them do things they don’t want to do, without applying brute force. And that’s a dangerous tactic when there are several hundred million guns stashed away in private hands.

It would take an inestimable number of Waco-style attacks to root out every redneck in the U.S. That’s why Hitler, Stalin and every other brutal dictator has been smart enough to grab people’s guns early on. After that, gulags, gas chambers and firing squads are easily put into place.

Do I seriously believe that gulag prison camps are possible in the U.S.? Yes.

Do I seriously believe that gas chambers and mass executions are possible in the U.S.? Yes.

And it’s right around the corner, as it has been for these John Birch Society types for the last 70 years or more. It’s always just on the verge of happening, yet it never happens. And that inconvenient reality does absolutely nothing to diminish their ability to believe the next paranoid conspiracy to come down the pike.

21 comments on this post.
  1. Gregory in Seattle:

    “And it’s right around the corner, as it has been for these John Birch Society types for the last 70 years or more. It’s always just on the verge of happening, yet it never happens.”

    Because of the efforts of the True Patriots who shriek warnings about government conspiracies to destroy capitalism, grab guns and pollute This Great Nation’s precious bodily fluids.

  2. timgueguen:

    The irony is that there are always lots of guns floating around in military dictatorships, but it can take decades to get rid of them. The Ringers of the world don’t seem to to realise that dictatorships require lots of armed people to run, especially during wartime. Successful dictatorships are good at convincing all those people to accept the way things are, and not turn their guns on the bosses. In some cases that means making a blatant show of suppressing dissent. But most of the time it comes from convincing the people the government is doing the right thing to protect them.

  3. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!:

    At the risk of drying out Chris Matthews’ pee-soaked trousers, I am compelled to speak the unspeakable: Barack Obama is not “the smartest guy in the room.”

    Huh? How does that sentence even begin to make logical sense? Not a good start.

    those who knew him at the University of Chicago have made clear, he is not even a particularly intelligent individual. He is, however, exceedingly clever and cunning.

    So Obama’s not “intelligent” he’s “clever and cunning” eh? Rii-iight. Its not like those words don’t mean much the same thing is it? Oh wait. Not the best middle either.

    Do I seriously believe that gas chambers and mass executions are possible in the U.S.? Yes.

    I take it he’s been to Texas then – because mass executions, well, plenty of them anyhow have happened there. Under Rick Perry lately if memory serves. Which US state(s) had the gas chamber again? Not sure but pretty sure the US had it in a few places and eventually abolished it in favour of lethal injection. So, not only merely “possible” but a matter of historical record.

    Although not so much anything to do with Barack Obama. So a rather lousy ending too.

    So, to sum up the Ringer (a shearing position over in Oz, FWIW,) says Obama is dumb but he isn’t. Says rednecks area goverbnment nightmare because they lieve far off and have guns and oh yeah, Obama is a nazi or summin’ who will bring back lost of executions – which haven’t stopped in some places and the gas chamber which, meh, Republicans didn’t seem to mind so much in the past.

    Oh & Hitler!!@!2 Stalin!@1!

    Yep. That’s logical and well thought out and convincing – not.

  4. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!:

    That’s :

    Says rednecks are a government nightmare because they live far off and have guns and, oh yeah, Obama is a nazi or summin’ who will bring back lots of executions – which haven’t even stopped in some US states.

    For clarity.

  5. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!:

    Make that :

    Says rednecks are a government nightmare because they live far off and have guns – but don’t even think of trying to stop them having those guns (implied?) – because they have guns (?) so .. um, yeah.

    For even more clarity. I hope. (Okay, that’s me done for tonight.)

  6. d.c.wilson:

    StevoR:

    You have to realize that wingnuts have no problem believe that Obama is both stupid (and lazy, because well, you know) and a devious mastermind out to destroy freedom because ACORN or Soros.

    I love the image Ringer paints of federal officials lying awake worrying that a bunch of “rednecks” living in the Ozarks are going to stop banging their cousins and drinking moonshine long enough to, I don’t know. But it apparently scares people in Washington enough to finally build those FEMA camps.

  7. composer99:

    Ringer’s notions of what the US government would need to do, if intent on unleashing armed force on its own citizens on US soil to the scale he appears to imagine, are laughably quaint.

    Two words, Ringer: predator drones.

    So much for those rednecks and their stockpiles of firearms.

  8. erichoug:

    Sometimes I wonder if any of these people ever actually read what it is that President Obama proposed regarding gun control or if they just get it though their Fox news / Wingnut daily filter? Don’t you think that at some point at least one of them would say something like:”Hmmm, this really doesn’t seem all that likely, let me check this from another source.” and the game would be up.

    I looked over what Mr.Obama proposed in regards to gun control and, as a gun owner, I really don’t have a problem with much of any of it.

  9. AsqJames:

    Talk about cherry-picking your facts!

    Are Nazi Germany and Communist USSR the only countries in history to strictly control personal firearms? Because if they were that might be an indicator of something. Being only 2 data points it doesn’t prove a trend, but it’s something worth looking into.

    Alternatively, you could show that many of the countries which have enacted strict gun control laws then became dictatorships. Not all of them maybe, but if there’s some kind of causal link then you should be able to show a trend right? Again, it’s not proof positive, I know correlation causation, but on the other hand causation without correlation is a bit silly.

  10. fifthdentist:

    Yeah, because I’ve never driven through the Ozarks, Appalachians and Smokys (sic) before.
    Oh, wait, I have, because due to some librul govmint spending there are these things called “roads” that go through all three. Fuckin’ freeways; how do they work?
    Also, the evile govmint has a bunch of boys who train in those same mountain ranges, and even camp out in the woods and stuff by themselves while they’d doing it. They’re called the “U.S. Army.”
    For additional reference see: Whiskey Rebellion. In which St. Washington personally led an army to crush a group of tax protesters.

    Not that any such action as Washington took in the rebellion will be necessary, because no one’s guns will be taken away and there are no FEMA concentration camps for rednecks. It’s just one big paranoids’ fap fet with those people.

  11. d.c.wilson:

    erichoug:

    You’re forgetting the LaPierre rule: The fact that Obama has done nothing to indicate he’s planning on seizing your guns is proof he’s planning on seizing your guns.

  12. arno:

    @AsqJames
    Wikipedia has an article on gun policies in Germany: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany

    Basic summary:
    The early Weimar Republic had very repressive gun laws, that were relaxed somewhat 1928. The Nazis got to power 33/34, but gun laws didnt change until 38. Then essentially Jews were forbidden gun permits, whereas in general, the gun laws were relaxed even more. Note that by 38 most potential sources of resistance had been eradicated already, e.g. the socialists and the communists.

    Even shorter summary:
    The idea that “Hitler grabbed peoples guns early on” does not seem to ahve any factual basis (how suprising).

  13. arakasi:

    StevoR: you are missing the dog whistle here. Humans are intelligent. Other animals can be clever or cunning.

    Of course, people who knew Obama at Harvard made him president of the Harvard Law Review, so it’s reasonable to assume that they considered him to be a particularly intelligent person (although Andrew Schlafly was an editor, so maybe their standards weren’t as high as I thought) But by all means, let’s take the word of the anonymous voices in Robert Winger’s head over this evidence – that’s the WND way.

  14. michaelbusch:

    >>In fact, as those who knew him at the University of Chicago have made clear, he is not even a particularly intelligent individual. <<

    That would be a lie. He was intelligent enough to get the lectureship job, and to be offered a permanent faculty position several times. But apparently the Law School faculty and administration's options about the man's skills are not considered relevant (notice who 'those who knew him' is not qualified – who are these people, that we may decide if they are qualified to assess a lawyer and legislator's skills?)

  15. Doug Little:

    It would take an inestimable number of Waco-style attacks to root out every redneck in the U.S. That’s why Hitler, Stalin and every other brutal dictator has been smart enough to grab people’s guns early on. After that, gulags, gas chambers and firing squads are easily put into place.

    Not necessary when you have drones with Hellfire missiles. Good luck taking on the US Military rednecks. Of course that will never happen but it seems to be the wingnuts wet dream that it could or is inevitable just because the majority of the nation want some form of stricter gun control.

  16. Doug Little:

    That would be a lie. He was intelligent enough to get the lectureship job, and to be offered a permanent faculty position several times.

    AFFIRMATIVE ACTION !1!!11 /wingnut

    Yeah, that’s what you would probably get as a rebuttal.

  17. michaelbusch:

    @Doug Little:

    That would confirm the hypothesis that evidence has ceased to be relevant for many people much of the time.

  18. democommie:

    “Sometimes I wonder if any of these people ever actually read what it is that President Obama proposed regarding gun control or if they just get it though their Fox news / Wingnut daily filter?’

    Yesterday afternoon I was giving my roommate BuddytheWonderDog his bi-weekly socialization lesson (no peeing on the merchandise, Buddy!). An older couple was looking for some bulbs for a 24″ flourescent fixture. The guy couldn’t find any that were cheap enough so he was going to let it go until the next time he comes in from something like 30 miles away. I tried to help him but he said it wasn’t that big a deal, it was just the light for his gun cabinet. He said he had about 30 guns and just liked to check to make sure that they were all there. Then he said he probably wouldn’t have them long as Obama was going to come for them. He was not kidding.

    “Good luck taking on the US Military rednecks”

    Boy, they will be PISSED when they find out that it’s not gonna be “Red Dawn” but, “U.S. Navy–A Global Force For Good Dawn”, “U.S. Army of 1 Dawn” or, maybe, “The Few, The Proud, The Brave, The Marines Dawn”.

    That’s gonna leave a smokin’ fuckin crater sorta mark.

  19. dontpanic:

    Can I say that this post would have been super-duper extra special if the “Advertise on FTB” in the upper-left corner had been the one that was being served up for me last night on PZ’s Thunderdome thread: A picture of a large man in a rectangular plastic tub big enough to hold 4-5 such men, with the caption screaming “FEMA COFFINS REVEALED”. I took a screenshot but forgot to save the link’s URL. Remind me, does Ed get more $ if I click on such ads?

  20. timgueguen:

    Yeah, click on any ad and FTB gets money.

  21. StevoR : Free West Papua, free Tibet, let the Chagossians return!:

    @13.arakasi :

    StevoR: you are missing the dog whistle here. Humans are intelligent. Other animals can be clever or cunning.

    Okay. I hadn’t caught onto that. Aren’t some human people often called clever or cunning too?

    Of course, people who knew Obama at Harvard made him president of the Harvard Law Review, so it’s reasonable to assume that they considered him to be a particularly intelligent person (although Andrew Schlafly was an editor, so maybe their standards weren’t as high as I thought) But by all means, let’s take the word of the anonymous voices in Robert Winger’s head over this evidence – that’s the WND way.

    Nah, lets not do that or take that WND way. Instead let’s think and check properly first.

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