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Indiana Senate: Only One Vaginal Ultrasound

The Indiana Senate amended a bill that would require vaginal ultrasounds for many women seeking abortions. The original bill called for such a procedure, even if doctors don’t consider it necessary, both before and after an RU-486 abortion. Now they’ve cut that down to just one.

A proposed requirement that doctors must try to perform a second ultrasound exam on women after they received abortion-inducing drugs was dropped Monday by the Indiana Senate.

In the bill on abortion pill regulations, doctors still would have to perform an ultrasound exam on the woman before providing the drugs, which opponents say is a step that wrongly interferes in medical decisions between a doctor and patient. The bill also requires doctors to schedule a follow-up visit about two weeks after providing the abortion medication, but the woman is not required to show up.

Senators, in a unanimous voice vote, approved the change in the bill that would force clinics that provide only abortion drugs to have the same facilities and equipment as surgical abortion clinics.

And you might want to turn off your irony meters for this one:

Sen. Ron Alting, R-Lafayette, sponsored the move to drop the second ultrasound and replace it with a requirement that doctors perform “appropriate testing.” Alting said that would give doctors the option of performing blood or urine tests on their patients.

“I think that physicians know a little bit more about that particular area than legislators,” Alting said.

Seriously? If you really meant that, this whole bill would be dead.

Comments

  1. Nepenthe says

    One ultrasound? Well, that sounds reasonable. At least it’s not tw–… hey, who moved this Overton Window?

  2. says

    This shit really pisses me off. So much so that I think it’d be fun to found an international organization that’ll mail anyone who asks for it (via an anonymous web form) an RU-486. If there were enough origin-points (think volunteers all over Europe who’d hand-write an envelope and drop it in the mail) it’d be impossible to shut down. I wonder how much a metric fucktonne of RU-486 costs.

    The only problem is that there could be serious abuses (think: someone who wants to terminate someone else’s pregnancy slips it into food) Hm. Grr.

    And, as usual, the wealthy can always afford to take a quick plane trip to a civilized country, stay a couple days, and come back refreshed and unpregnant. So who cares about everyone else?

  3. howardhershey says

    This is from the state with the second worst rate of violent sexual abuse and assault against teenage females (Wyoming is the only one worse). !7.3% of women in high school. Worse even than Kentucky (about 14%) for all the jokes about hillbilly incest. You would think that the legislature would be working on that, largely male based, problem rather than the consequences.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/09/indiana-sexual-assault-17_n_1412507.html

    I am totally disgusted by these lackwit legislators. Yet they have gerrymandered themselves into a sinecure.

  4. says

    I think there should be a law requiring all legislators to have a yearly coloscopy to make sure their heads aren’t struck up their ass.

  5. fastlane says

    John Pieret, and have them tested for rabies. (not given the vaccine mind you, just get them tested for it….)

  6. Synfandel says

    Alting said that would give doctors the option of performing blood or urine tests on their patients.

    Blood or urine tests for what? The only outcome that the first ultrasound is intended to achieve is the harassment, shaming, and emotional brutalization of the woman seeking an abortion pill. Can they can measure that with blood or urine tests?

  7. junglekat says

    The bill also requires doctors to schedule a follow-up visit about two weeks after providing the abortion medication, but the woman is not required to show up.

    So, she doesn’t have to show up, but the appointment has to be scheduled in case she does. Meaning no other appointments can be scheduled for that time, presumably. So, whether she shows up for the second appointment or not, they still have to devote enough time for each woman to have two transvaginal ultrasounds, which means they can’t schedule nearly as many appointments, period.

    Oh, but making you have to wait longer to get an appointment with your gynecologist because they’re required to schedule appointments that won’t be kept is totally about PROTECTING women’s health. Definitely.

  8. doublereed says

    “I think that physicians know a little bit more about that particular area than legislators,” Alting said.

    Oh my god, I think my brain just fzqwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

  9. says

    ““I think that physicians know a little bit more about that particular area than legislators,” Alting said.”

    Because Jeebus knows, republicans are fucking clueless about “that particular area” of a woman’s body.

  10. Ichthyic says

    approved the change in the bill that would force clinics that provide only abortion drugs to have the same facilities and equipment as surgical abortion clinics.

    well, if they plan to force nonprofit family planning clinics into having unnecessary surgical equipment on premises, then surely the State plans to subsidize the costs of doing so for all those clinics, right?

    phht.

    fuck these assholes. People should be putting bags of burning shit on all their doorsteps. It’s an age appropriate response to the kind of things they are coming up with here.

  11. says

    I was talking with my ex-girlfriend last night about ru468 and she said the ultrasound is important – in a surgical abortion the doctor is there and can make sure everything came out properly but with ru486 it’s possible in rare cases that the miscarriage may not go right and the woman can get an infection or worse. Her view was that it’s a good idea, to be sure. And that surgical abortions are less hard on the woman’s body though not necessarily psychologically.

  12. hotshoe, now with more boltcutters says

    Marcus Ranum -
    I don’t know if your ex is correct about ultrasound after RU486 as a “good idea, to be sure” – or not – but the problem is that IF it is a good idea, now the ReThugs have got it backwards.

    See, they require the vaginal ultrasound BEFORE the doctor can prescribe RU486, even though it’s not medically indicated at that time and should definitely be left up to the doctor and patient, not legislative fiat. They thought that wasn’t humiliating and abusive enough to women, so they added a requirement for the second ultrasound at two weeks past the RU486 dose, with penalties for any doctor who didn’t force the woman to comply with the second appointment. After some thought (if what they did can pass for “thought”) they scaled back the lrequirement for the second appointment to merely requiring a blood or urine test – which would show whether or not the pregnancy was successfully terminated by RU486.

    Presumably there is nothing stopping the doctor (except time,and insurance reimbursement) from working with a patient to voluntarily have a second ultrasound after the post-pregnancy test if there is any medical reason whatsoever to have one.

  13. Ichthyic says

    with ru486 it’s possible in rare cases that the miscarriage may not go right and the woman can get an infection or worse.

    there are other ways already in place to account for the possibility. they don’t need, nor require, transvaginal ultrasound.

    sorry, your GF is wrong.

    transvag ultrasound is indicated where there are already potential signs of infection, it is POST diagnostic, not prediagnostic.

    it does not help docs with early detection of infections.

  14. Ichthyic says

    Oh, forgot to mention, she’s a nurse with a masters+ in biology.

    gratz!

    but it doesn’t relate to knowledge of a specific issue, and I’d bet money her knowledge on this is NOT based on anything she learned as a grad student.

  15. says

    but it doesn’t relate to knowledge of a specific issue, and I’d bet money her knowledge on this is NOT based on anything she learned as a grad student.

    Apparently not!

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